Is Atheism a Neurological disorder? Possible prenatal test

[Esternial]

Don't try to pin this on one!

Is being the Queen a neurological disorder? Could we do a prenatal test to check for royalty?

Yes, actually.

Royals tend to have a higher inbreeding factor.

[Vashty]

Pious basically acted like an ex that had been dumped saying "no, you're dumped!". He essentially still got dumped by Henry first.

That's a pretty apt description, I think.

I should be the Jerry Springer of NS

[Vashty]

Is being the Queen a neurological disorder? Could we do a prenatal test to check for royalty?

Yes, actually.

Royals tend to have a higher inbreeding factor.

George III and Henry VI were both mentally ill

[Alaizia]

Is being the Queen a neurological disorder? Could we do a prenatal test to check for royalty?

Yes, actually.

Royals tend to have a higher inbreeding factor.

Just ask this guy.

[Hirota]

This is a lie.

Pious V didn't see it that way.

Thats nice. Regardless, your claim is demonstrably a lie.

[The Forsworn Knights]

Forgot the 'Its not a disorder, its me thinking God doesnt exist because I dont need imaginary friends.' option.

[Vashty]

Forgot the 'Its not a disorder, its me thinking God doesnt exist because I dont need imaginary friends.' option.

That's the first option mate

[Esternial]

Forgot the 'Its not a disorder, its me thinking God doesnt exist because I dont need imaginary friends.' option.

Actually, religious belief and practices are known as a coping mechanism for mental illness, anxiety and more.

So in fact when you've got a mental illness you're probably more likely to practice religion.

[Ifreann]

Pious V didn't see it that way.

Thats nice. Regardless, your claim is demonstrably a lie.

But surely an Archibishop would never lie...

[The Forsworn Knights]

Forgot the 'Its not a disorder, its me thinking God doesnt exist because I dont need imaginary friends.' option.

That's the first option mate

Gah, I just woke up and read it as 'I dont agree with the op, athiests dont have a neurological disorder'

[Ad Nihilo]

I didn't ask you about the definition of schizophrenia. I asked you why do you think Jesus, if he existed, was a schizophrenic.

Implicit in my reply was that Jesus obviously meets all the criteria for diagnosis

hallucinations – hearing or seeing things that do not exist (e.g. The Temptation of Christ)
delusions – unusual beliefs not based on reality that often contradict the evidence (ahem. Just about everything he said.)
muddled thoughts based on hallucinations or delusions (idem)
changes in behaviour (e.g. drops the carpenter tools and goes walking around the place, talking nonsense).

Now, it is possible that all this stuff was God inspired. But is is highly improbable. And even if it were true, it would follow that all the other wannabe prophets who behaved in the exact same way would be schizophrenics. Which rather reinforces the point that unless we know for sure that his behaviour was genuinely directly caused by God, the most reasonable response to behaviour of this type is to diagnose schizophrenia.

How likely an explanation exactly is schizophrenia, independent of the quirky behaviour? The same source says:

Schizophrenia is one of the most common serious mental health conditions. About 1 in 100 people will experience schizophrenia in their lifetime, with many continuing to lead normal lives.
Schizophrenia is most often diagnosed between the ages of 15 and 35. Men and women are affected equally.

[Vashty]

That's the first option mate

Gah, I just woke up and read it as 'I dont agree with the op, athiests dont have a neurological disorder'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1T8xgHdMEM

[Fabulous American Killjoy idiots]

As an Athiest I have to say.....This made laugh so hard!

[Arcadiom]

I didn't ask you about the definition of schizophrenia. I asked you why do you think Jesus, if he existed, was a schizophrenic.

Implicit in my reply was that Jesus obviously meets all the criteria for diagnosis

hallucinations – hearing or seeing things that do not exist (e.g. The Temptation of Christ)
delusions – unusual beliefs not based on reality that often contradict the evidence (ahem. Just about everything he said.)
muddled thoughts based on hallucinations or delusions (idem)
changes in behaviour (e.g. drops the carpenter tools and goes walking around the place, talking nonsense).

Now, it is possible that all this stuff was God inspired. But is is highly improbable. And even if it were true, it would follow that all the other wannabe prophets who behaved in the exact same way would be schizophrenics. Which rather reinforces the point that unless we know for sure that his behaviour was genuinely directly caused by God, the most reasonable response to behaviour of this type is to diagnose schizophrenia.

How likely an explanation exactly is schizophrenia, independent of the quirky behaviour? The same source says:

Schizophrenia is one of the most common serious mental health conditions. About 1 in 100 people will experience schizophrenia in their lifetime, with many continuing to lead normal lives.
Schizophrenia is most often diagnosed between the ages of 15 and 35. Men and women are affected equally.

You. I like you. You're a smart.

[Alaizia]

I didn't ask you about the definition of schizophrenia. I asked you why do you think Jesus, if he existed, was a schizophrenic.

Implicit in my reply was that Jesus obviously meets all the criteria for diagnosis

hallucinations – hearing or seeing things that do not exist (e.g. The Temptation of Christ)
delusions – unusual beliefs not based on reality that often contradict the evidence (ahem. Just about everything he said.)
muddled thoughts based on hallucinations or delusions (idem)
changes in behaviour (e.g. drops the carpenter tools and goes walking around the place, talking nonsense).

Now, it is possible that all this stuff was God inspired. But is is highly improbable. And even if it were true, it would follow that all the other wannabe prophets who behaved in the exact same way would be schizophrenics. Which rather reinforces the point that unless we know for sure that his behaviour was genuinely directly caused by God, the most reasonable response to behaviour of this type is to diagnose schizophrenia.

How likely an explanation exactly is schizophrenia, independent of the quirky behaviour? The same source says:

Schizophrenia is one of the most common serious mental health conditions. About 1 in 100 people will experience schizophrenia in their lifetime, with many continuing to lead normal lives.
Schizophrenia is most often diagnosed between the ages of 15 and 35. Men and women are affected equally.

I get that. However, if we stripped the story of Jesus Christ from all it's mythological aspects (assuming for instance that most of it was exaggerated and/or edited by the people of his time and later on), you can't argue that he was a humanist and a freedom-loving person, maybe a revolutionary for his time. He would be there with other wise people with religious notions like Lao Zi (Taoism), Confucius (Confucianism) or Buddha (Buddhism). So I don't think that labeling him as schizophrenic does him any justice. If that was the case, then all other people I mentioned should be schizophrenic too. Now I don't think anyone has ever called them like that.

[Acarn]

Dude im a freakin muslim and i know its not a disorder u dink

[A Million Dollars]

This bait is so holy it's probably been blessed by Christ himself.

This made me laugh out loud in the middle of class.

[Chuukango]

The fact that this argument is still going on makes me want to slam my face off of a concrete barrier.

[Blorbs]

Better question: Is relegion a neurological disorder.

I think being likely to need an over watching all seeing eye to be able to handle the human condition is more delusional than not.

[The Federal Union of Socialist States]

This may seem like a provocative title, however in context I feel there is a reasonable amount of evidence to make this hypothesis.

"Studies on the demographics of atheism have concluded that self-identified atheists comprise anywhere from 2% to 13% of the world's population"
source; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

When we look at how the vast majority of the world's population adhere to some kind of theistic Religion, whether monotheistic, polytheistic or henotheistic. It seems like they're is something fundamental to our neurological wiring, that causes us to seek a God(ess) or God(esses). Something fundamental that causes us to comprehend the idea of a being greater than our selves, something that surpasses this physical Earthly realm...

When we look at the correlation between Pervasive Developmental Disorder's and Atheism, could it be that there is a fundamental defect in the brain wiring of an Atheist that causes them to be unable to comprehend the idea of a being greater than them selves? The very nature of a supernatural entity is an abstract concept that would be very dependent, and sensitive to the condition of one's brain wiring.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OMR ... er&f=false
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ps ... ad-atheism

And if so, would it be possible that in future we may see a prenatal test for Atheism? And if so would you support it? I personally would as if there is even the slightest chance that a neurological disorder could send my Child to hell, I don't think I could live my self knowing, that my and my wife brought them into the world to suffer such a fate. Calvinism, and predestination spring to mind...

But what do, YOU think NSG?

Note that you are currently on the Internet. Even if you genuinely think that is the case, Keep in mind that there is also an obscene amount of people on this page that don't appreciate your views, (aka the "godless atheists who shall rot in hell") and chances are you shall be flamed to kingdom come. Also, I could just as easily say that religion is a disease, a tool manufactured by the establishment, not unlike the boar's head from Lord of the Flies, that is used for the subjugation of a population and to maintain the social status quo. Case in point: The Crusades, Europe any time before 1700-ish, Rome and all the fuss before and after the advent of Christianity (little known fact: the pagans got there own little genocide after Constantine as well), the Middle Eastern Clusterf---- today, and more! So, I was wondering if there was a test to seed if my child was a bible thumping fundamentalist, because I don't want my child to this no that his life is in the hands of someone else.

I respect your opinion, but let's just say I've had some rather unfortunate experiences with the church.

[Ad Nihilo]

I get that. However, if we stripped the story of Jesus Christ from all it's mythological aspects (assuming for instance that most of it was exaggerated and/or edited by the people of his time and later on), you can't argue that he was a humanist and a freedom-loving person, maybe a revolutionary for his time. He would be there with other wise people with religious notions like Lao Zi (Taoism), Confucius (Confucianism) or Buddha (Buddhism). So I don't think that labeling him as schizophrenic does him any justice. If that would was the case, then all other people I mentioned should be schizophrenic too. Now I don't think anyone has ever called them like that.

I disagree.

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's".

Jesus did not incite rebellion of the weak against the strong. He made no argument for anyone's freedom. It was not a message of emancipation like the one of MLK or Latin American liberation theologians. He argued that everyone should submit to God's plan and not rock the boat with the Romans.

The only sense in which his message was "revolutionary" is the sense in which it would have undermined any social order, however just or unjust. His message was primarily: "guys, chill, the World is coming to an end. No need to get all worked up about anything other than how fucked you are when God makes his final judgement."

All the cuddly messages of harmony and kumbaya were not the driving force of his message. They were just the inevitable consequence. The reason you're not supposed to judge others isn't because it's bad in and of itself. It is bad because God is about to do that anyway, and you don't want to trespass on his jurisdiction.

And the people who are judged, are not judged on their moral merits. They are judged on their faith and submission to God. Hardly a good "moral message".

And then to take all that bullshit and kill yourself and your followers for it? However uncomfortable you may find this, Jesus has more in common with Charles Manson than Mother Thereza. I'll take Pope Francis over Jesus on moral message any day of the week.

The Buddha was also pretty doom and gloom kinda guy with no real moral message. But at least he was a more nuanced and intelligent thinker.

And to compare Jesus to Confucius is just insulting to the latter. Confucius had a proper moral message and one which formed the social organising principle that underpinned the longest-lived and arguably most successful civilisation in the history of mankind: the Chinese civilisation. Compare that with "guys, chill, God is gonna come down, everything is going to end, and he is going to fix everything for us".


(I don't know enough about Lao Zi to comment on the comparison between him and Jesus.)

[Chuukango]

Better question: Is relegion a neurological disorder.

I think being likely to need an over watching all seeing eye to be able to handle the human condition is more delusional than not.

I made a similar point on page 8-9

[Corte]

Better question: Is relegion a neurological disorder.

I think being likely to need an over watching all seeing eye to be able to handle the human condition is more delusional than not.

Please don't sink to his level.

[The Federal Union of Socialist States]

The correlation between Atheism, and depression is interesting...
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_depression

Neurological issue, causing a chemical imbalance in Serotonin levels?

In that vein, Lois Lane knows Superman can fly. Lois Lane doesn't think superman can fly. Thus, is Clark Kent not Superman? Logical fallacies are an interesting thing.
Similarly, If A causes B, B happening does not indicate A previously happening, as A is not always the only cause. likewise, the model where the earth was the centre of the universe was very useful at the time, providing perfect measurements for calendars and whatnot, except it was wrong.

Also, as a Christian, do you believe that…
…The Earth is the centre of the universe?
…Darwin is a load of BS?
…all believe Evers need to go on a holy crusade into Turkey?
…or any of the many other things about religious fundamentalism that have been progressively become frowned upon?
Exactly.

[New Zepuha]

I am not sure it is neurological, but it is some kind of disorder. I'd like to believe it is neurological, because if some sort of prenatal test could be developed to prevent my child from becoming an obnoxious fedora tipper would be great.