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Who would win? The U.S. vs. China

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Postby British Prussia » Mon May 24, 2010 6:58 am

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Wilgrove wrote:Well in that case, I say USA would win. We are technologically superior, we outspend China on our defenses, and we just have better war and battle planners. China may have a larger military when it comes to troop size, but I don't think that'd really be that big of a factor.


And who in the world would ally with China? I don't even think Kim Jong is that mentally ill.


The Chinese military is far more disciplined. And American logistics are... well almost useless...
North Korea will join China, everyone knows tht North Korea hates America. (and practically most of the world 2, but their nice).
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Postby Capitalist Arcadia » Mon May 24, 2010 6:59 am

British Prussia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:Well in that case, I say USA would win. We are technologically superior, we outspend China on our defenses, and we just have better war and battle planners. China may have a larger military when it comes to troop size, but I don't think that'd really be that big of a factor.


And who in the world would ally with China? I don't even think Kim Jong is that mentally ill.


The Chinese military is far more disciplined. And American logistics are... well almost useless...
North Korea will join China, everyone knows tht North Korea hates America. (and practically most of the world 2, but their nice).


I doubt it. I believe most free nations would stand by the U.S. Because if China took down the U.S. then there really would be no one to stand up for the rest of the free world. The Chinese would roll right over the others. The free world would stand and fight I think.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon May 24, 2010 7:00 am

Capitalist Arcadia wrote:I doubt it. I believe most free nations would stand by the U.S. Because if China took down the U.S. then there really would be no one to stand up for the rest of the free world. The Chinese would roll right over the others. The free world would stand and fight I think.


A-yup. And it's funny hearing people talk here like countries are that independent of each other. If the U.S. lost this war, or was forced to fight if for too long, Europe's economy would collapse in unimaginable depression.
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Postby Capitalist Arcadia » Mon May 24, 2010 7:02 am

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Capitalist Arcadia wrote:I doubt it. I believe most free nations would stand by the U.S. Because if China took down the U.S. then there really would be no one to stand up for the rest of the free world. The Chinese would roll right over the others. The free world would stand and fight I think.


A-yup. And it's funny hearing people talk here like countries are that independent of each other. If the U.S. lost this war, or was forced to fight if for too long, Europe's economy would collapse in unimaginable depression.


Yeah it sure would. I believe the majority of the world...hell maybe even the damn russians...would take up for America.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon May 24, 2010 7:03 am

British Prussia wrote:The Chinese military is far more disciplined.


Sauce, please.
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Postby Polythinia » Mon May 24, 2010 7:05 am

North Korea? China's only has one flaccid little ally? NORTH FREAKING KOREA?!!?

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Postby Caparroz » Mon May 24, 2010 7:05 am

God I hate both of these countries.
But considering how many allies the US would have I think they would almost certainly win.

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Postby British Prussia » Mon May 24, 2010 7:07 am

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British Prussia wrote:The Chinese military is far more disciplined.


Sauce, please.


Well, the professional army, not the conscripts.
American soldiers are fine, they practically represent the modern world standard, but logistics and efficiency is what they lack.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon May 24, 2010 7:07 am

Polythinia wrote:North Korea? China's only has one flaccid little ally? NORTH FREAKING KOREA?!!?


Who else could be a possible ally? And I don't even think NK is that stupid, not matter how much it hates the U.S., it's not willing to destroy itself for China, whom it doesn't particularly love.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 24, 2010 7:08 am

Isn't there some saying about a land war in China?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon May 24, 2010 7:09 am

British Prussia wrote:Well, the professional army, not the conscripts.


Sauce, please.

American soldiers are fine, they practically represent the modern world standard, but logistics and efficiency is what they lack.


Mmhm. But I don't know if China is great in this regard, itself.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon May 24, 2010 7:09 am

Ifreann wrote:Isn't there some saying about a land war in China?


Asia.

And yeah, like I said, an invasion of China wouldn't work.
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Postby British Prussia » Mon May 24, 2010 7:10 am

Caparroz wrote:God I hate both of these countries.
But considering how many allies the US would have I think they would almost certainly win.


Well, I know that New Zealand (just one example here, dunno what its like in other nations such as Australia) is dependant on Chinese economy...
Then again, the US could provide us with the thing we need just as well...
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Postby Satirius » Mon May 24, 2010 7:10 am

British Prussia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
British Prussia wrote:The Chinese military is far more disciplined.

Sauce, please.

Well, the professional army, not the conscripts.
American soldiers are fine, they practically represent the modern world standard, but logistics and efficiency is what they lack.

Wat

Explain the whole "bases all around the world so that C-17's can get anywhere quickly" part is a lack of logistical power. Explain why how pushed an army of gas-guzzling Abrams tanks to Baghdad twice in less than six weeks each.
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Postby Capitalist Arcadia » Mon May 24, 2010 7:12 am

British Prussia wrote:
Caparroz wrote:God I hate both of these countries.
But considering how many allies the US would have I think they would almost certainly win.


Well, I know that New Zealand (just one example here, dunno what its like in other nations such as Australia) is dependant on Chinese economy...
Then again, the US could provide us with the thing we need just as well...


New Zealand and Australia would side with the U.S. They did in WWII and I'm sure would rather have the U.S. survive than China
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon May 24, 2010 7:12 am

Satirius wrote:Wat

Explain the whole "bases all around the world so that C-17's can get anywhere quickly" part is a lack of logistical power. Explain why how pushed an army of gas-guzzling Abrams tanks to Baghdad twice in less than six weeks each.


Yeah, I much suspect that while we can send Marines anywhere in world in under a hundred hours, and keep them well-supplied for years, China would be slow in deploying, and would probably have to pillage.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon May 24, 2010 7:13 am

Capitalist Arcadia wrote:New Zealand and Australia would side with the U.S. They did in WWII and I'm sure would rather have the U.S. survive than China


If China beat the U.S., chances are it would consider expanding into those areas, too.
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Postby Capitalist Arcadia » Mon May 24, 2010 7:14 am

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Capitalist Arcadia wrote:New Zealand and Australia would side with the U.S. They did in WWII and I'm sure would rather have the U.S. survive than China


If China beat the U.S., chances are it would consider expanding into those areas, too.


They would probly not stop expanding. Another reason why the majority of the world would stand and fight with the U.S.
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Postby British Prussia » Mon May 24, 2010 7:15 am

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British Prussia wrote:Well, the professional army, not the conscripts.


Sauce, please.

American soldiers are fine, they practically represent the modern world standard, but logistics and efficiency is what they lack.


Mmhm. But I don't know if China is great in this regard, itself.


China is pretty much a dictatorship, and if you're a dictatorship, you must have a powerful army
China doesn't need to be that great, they got the numbers, and if there even is friendly fire, i'm sure they can afford the losses.
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Postby Polythinia » Mon May 24, 2010 7:16 am

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Capitalist Arcadia wrote:New Zealand and Australia would side with the U.S. They did in WWII and I'm sure would rather have the U.S. survive than China


If China beat the U.S., chances are it would consider expanding into those areas, too.

What sort of "expansion"?

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Postby Capitalist Arcadia » Mon May 24, 2010 7:17 am

British Prussia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
British Prussia wrote:Well, the professional army, not the conscripts.


Sauce, please.

American soldiers are fine, they practically represent the modern world standard, but logistics and efficiency is what they lack.


Mmhm. But I don't know if China is great in this regard, itself.


China is pretty much a dictatorship, and if you're a dictatorship, you must have a powerful army
China doesn't need to be that great, they got the numbers, and if there even is friendly fire, i'm sure they can afford the losses.


Your reasoning just isn't making sense to me. There are LOTS of dictatorships around the world right now...and they don't all have powerful armies. And those numbers are made up of poorly trained conscripts. It would take some time before they could be mobilized.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon May 24, 2010 7:17 am

British Prussia wrote:China is pretty much a dictatorship, and if you're a dictatorship, you must have a powerful army


Lolno. There are plenty of dictatorship governments with shit armies, and the U.S. military is structured as a dictatorship, anyhow.

China doesn't need to be that great, they got the numbers, and if there even is friendly fire, i'm sure they can afford the losses.


They'd be crushed. How could they support their military? The war would cut-off all of their resources.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon May 24, 2010 7:19 am

Polythinia wrote:What sort of "expansion"?


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Postby British Prussia » Mon May 24, 2010 7:19 am

Capitalist Arcadia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
Capitalist Arcadia wrote:New Zealand and Australia would side with the U.S. They did in WWII and I'm sure would rather have the U.S. survive than China


If China beat the U.S., chances are it would consider expanding into those areas, too.


They would probly not stop expanding. Another reason why the majority of the world would stand and fight with the U.S.


Possibly... but China doesn't seem to be a kind of Imperial Japan type aggression...
But if the U.S. win, who will be the puppet?
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Postby Capitalist Arcadia » Mon May 24, 2010 7:20 am

British Prussia wrote:
Capitalist Arcadia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
Capitalist Arcadia wrote:New Zealand and Australia would side with the U.S. They did in WWII and I'm sure would rather have the U.S. survive than China


If China beat the U.S., chances are it would consider expanding into those areas, too.


They would probly not stop expanding. Another reason why the majority of the world would stand and fight with the U.S.


Possibly... but China doesn't seem to be a kind of Imperial Japan type aggression...
But if the U.S. win, who will be the puppet?


If the U.S. was out of the way what would stop them from becoming like old Imperial Japan?
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