Opinions on Muslim Ban

[Nacesa Plana]

Deport all religious people to the moon. All of them. And worldwide please.

It’s ok to believe in an invisible imaginary friend who created all and everything. When you’re 9-years old.
It’s not when you’re an adult.

They are all the same. Sooner or later they start wars about who’s having the best religion or who’s the real Muslim, Christian or whatever.

They want to be near their invisible imaginary friend? Let us, atheists help them. Send them to the moon. Without an SOS.

[Uxupox]

It was practiced by one of the Prophet's own companions so yes it can be used as justification do virtually anything as long as the goal is safety at the end.

Lol. You have no idea what it is.

It's a Shi'a thing mostly to hide your religion to escape persecution.

To Populists it's mostly just a means to win an arguement "Oh a Muslim is making points? I'll just shout Taqiyyah"

I didn't claim that anything about the Sunni's.

[Alvecia]

Brings up a fair point. What proportion of terror attacks were actually commited by immigrants.

The majority of terrorist attacks a committed by natives who were radicalized.

Makes banning them rather pointless then doesn't it.

[Nariterrr]

The majority of terrorist attacks a committed by natives who were radicalized.

Makes banning them rather pointless then doesn't it.

Pretty much.

[Vassenor]

The majority of terrorist attacks a committed by natives who were radicalized.

Makes banning them rather pointless then doesn't it.

Unless you're trying to pander to the xenophobes to win votes.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Lol. You have no idea what it is.

It's a Shi'a thing mostly to hide your religion to escape persecution.

To Populists it's mostly just a means to win an arguement "Oh a Muslim is making points? I'll just shout Taqiyyah"

I didn't claim that anything about the Sunni's.

Even with Shi'a it's just permission to say you're non muslim if someone's executing Muslims.

Since Shi'a have experienced that more than most, it's become a thing with them.
When certain Sunni empires would come in and start killing Shi'a, the Shi'a would start saying they're Sunnis or Non Muslims to escape the axe.

This is largely what happened to the Alawites.

[Nariterrr]

15% on this forum....

[Ifreann]

Well, it's a escape phrase for people who don't want to debate Muslims and don't want to hear them out. Just silence your enemy by saying that they are liars.

Maybe you should bring actual ideas instead of dismissing something that is actually approved by one of the Prophet's OWN companions.

Maybe you're a deep cover Muslim.

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Deport all religious people to the moon. All of them. And worldwide please.

It’s ok to believe in an invisible imaginary friend who created all and everything. When you’re 9-years old.
It’s not when you’re an adult.

They are all the same. Sooner or later they start wars about who’s having the best religion or who’s the real Muslim, Christian or whatever.

They want to be near their invisible imaginary friend? Let us, atheists help them. Send them to the moon. Without an SOS.

You're proposing to murder almost everyone on Earth.

That's silly.

[Hirota]

There is one problem with this, quite a few of the attackers have been living in the US for years, banning Muslims will not stop the attacks 100%, it's not the solution to the problem of ISIS, which must be stamped out mercilessly and quickly

Brings up a fair point. What proportion of terror attacks were actually commited by immigrants.

Very few according to this study. Of course, the population of immigrants is going to be significantly smaller, so the proportion of immigrants who have performed terror attacks is probably higher than implied in the study, but I doubt even adjusted it is higher than the proportion carried out by US Born.

[Uxupox]

I didn't claim that anything about the Sunni's.

Even with Shi'a it's just permission to say you're non muslim if someone's executing Muslims.

Since Shi'a have experienced that more than most, it's become a thing with them.
When certain Sunni empires would come in and start killing Shi'a, the Shi'a would start saying they're Sunnis or Non Muslims to escape the axe.

This is largely what happened to the Alawites.

They are a vastly a minority so the Taqiya practice is definitely a must in those circumstances. Though I've heard that the Andalusian Sunni also practice it under the forced conversion of the Spaniards to the north.

[Transporters]

Just ban fundamentalists.

The question is how to determine this. Id support a test and phone call to people seeking long term visas judging their propensity to hold extreme views. Then combine this with a score for their match to a profile.

We tend not to get Chinese serial killers or mass murderers. Or Jewish, biddhist, british etc.
Iran is a hot spot. Especially for those that identify as Muslim. We can go on endlessly about if a person is a follower of the religion they claim to follow. Its at least a good criteria. Combined with poor knowledge of the religion and being in the first or second generation.

Once you have this question the value of providing a visa. Is it needed at all? If so should a visa be given to a minority religious person in Kenya (could be Muslim) or a majority in Syria if their ability to work or claim of persecution is roughly equal? Religion should be a factor to building to an assessment.

I have not heard of scientology followers entering a war zone to further their people or religion. Claims of slavery ships on the other hand.......
Religion can push a person into a riskier category. If its a Christian of fighting age from Syria i would be amazed they are living and see them as having one of the strongest asylum claims in the world.

[Alvecia]

Brings up a fair point. What proportion of terror attacks were actually commited by immigrants.

Very few according to this study. Of course, the population of immigrants is going to be significantly smaller, so the proportion of immigrants who have performed terror attacks is probably higher than implied in the study, but I doubt even adjusted it is higher than the proportion carried out by US Born.

Oooh, data. Yum.

[Greater Narkova]

Brings up a fair point. What proportion of terror attacks were actually commited by immigrants.

The majority of terrorist attacks a committed by natives who were radicalized.

Exactly, so what would banning people solve, if anything, the people coming here are coming for the same reason as other immigrants, to have a better life, and America is a bit more accepting than Europe, we have laws against religious discrimination

[Imperializt Russia]

15% on this forum....

Literally six people, actually, in a poll in which 40 people participated, on a forum with 857,659 users (some of which are duplicates, expired or alt accounts, granted).

[Nariterrr]

The majority of terrorist attacks a committed by natives who were radicalized.

Exactly, so what would banning people solve, if anything, the people coming here are coming for the same reason as other immigrants, to have a better life, and America is a bit more accepting than Europe, we have laws against religious discrimination

Europe doesn't have laws against religious discrimination?

[Jochizyd Republic]

Even with Shi'a it's just permission to say you're non muslim if someone's executing Muslims.

Since Shi'a have experienced that more than most, it's become a thing with them.
When certain Sunni empires would come in and start killing Shi'a, the Shi'a would start saying they're Sunnis or Non Muslims to escape the axe.

This is largely what happened to the Alawites.

They are a vastly a minority so the Taqiya practice is definitely a must in those circumstances. Though I've heard that the Andalusian Sunni also practice it under the forced conversion of the Spaniards to the north.

I wouldn't be surprised.

It's usually not used by extremists for anything. Islamic Fundamentalists are probably the least subtle people on earth

[Imperializt Russia]

Exactly, so what would banning people solve, if anything, the people coming here are coming for the same reason as other immigrants, to have a better life, and America is a bit more accepting than Europe, we have laws against religious discrimination

Europe doesn't have laws against religious discrimination?

We sure as fuck do, if you're a member state of the Council of Europe and therefore ratified the European Convention on Human Rights.

[Greater Narkova]

Exactly, so what would banning people solve, if anything, the people coming here are coming for the same reason as other immigrants, to have a better life, and America is a bit more accepting than Europe, we have laws against religious discrimination

Europe doesn't have laws against religious discrimination?

I'd imagine a few do, but I'm not familiar with the Baltic and Balkan states, plus they follow a 'guilty till proven innocent' stance, the opposite of the US's 'innocent until proven guilty'

[Salus Maior]

Maybe the more fundamentalist ones, sure.

[Jochizyd Republic]

I'd just say strengthen the vetting process.

[Nariterrr]

Europe doesn't have laws against religious discrimination?

I'd imagine a few do, but I'm not familiar with the Baltic and Balkan states, plus they follow a 'guilty till proven innocent' stance, the opposite of the US's 'innocent until proven guilty'

'guilty until proven innocent' is something devolved from civil law, whereas common law is the opposite.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Banning people based on their religion is a fucking stupid idea and would do nothing give the likes of ISIS more ammunition to use to recruit people.

[Baltenstein]

Europe doesn't have laws against religious discrimination?

I'd imagine a few do, but I'm not familiar with the Baltic and Balkan states, plus they follow a 'guilty till proven innocent' stance

Erm, no. Only dictatorships do that.

[Nariterrr]

Maybe the more fundamentalist ones, sure.

What defines a 'fundamentalist.' It could be used to abuse normal Muslims.

[Imperializt Russia]

Maybe the more fundamentalist ones, sure.

What defines a 'fundamentalist.' It could be used to abuse normal Muslims.

You believe in the prophet? That's an Islamic fundamental! Quick, burn him!