English votes for English laws

[Aemen]

I really don't like this conundrum of an aftershock the Scottish Referendum has created.

I'm not a fan of creating two classes of MPs in England, the fiscal dedication needed for such an endeavour makes my inner miser froth with rage. I personally support a 'fourth reading' in the Commons for laws affecting England only, making English MPs the only ones able to vote on laws that have passed the three previous readings.

Of course, such a proposal would need more scrutiny. Should the Opposition hold a greater majority in England than the ruling government, they could strain the process by making it harder for the party in charge to fulfil their election promises.

The West Lothian question is going to be a persistent issue that's going to dog the next government in my opinion, one that's going to need cross-party coordination if an answer is ever going to come into effect.

[Frazers]

I really don't like this conundrum of an aftershock the Scottish Referendum has created.

I'm not a fan of creating two classes of MPs in England, the fiscal dedication needed for such an endeavour makes my inner miser froth with rage. I personally support a 'fourth reading' in the Commons for laws affecting England only, making English MPs the only ones able to vote on laws that have passed the three previous readings.

And there would be never-ending debates about the validity of laws being English only in the vast vast majority of cases. It's unworkable.

[Nazis in Space]

I for one suggest that each of these gets its own parliament and decides on its own laws.

[Olivaero]

I for one suggest that each of these gets its own parliament and decides on its own laws.

Thus cementing Yorkshires dominance of the UK e' by gum lad I think y' may be on t' summin

EDIT: ah well in a position to vie for dominance anyway Even with that tiny spit of land London still has more people in it

[Fortschritte]

I for one suggest that each of these gets its own parliament and decides on its own laws.

Jesus, that'd be a clusterfuck.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

I for one suggest that each of these gets its own parliament and decides on its own laws.

People sure love this suffix -shire there.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

I for one suggest that each of these gets its own parliament and decides on its own laws.

Thus cementing Yorkshires dominance of the UK e' by gum lad I think y' may be on t' summin

EDIT: ah well in a position to vie for dominance anyway Even with that tiny spit of land London still has more people in it

The funny thing about Yorkshire is that people pronounce "Yorkshire [terrier]" with an "eye" vowel, I have to correct them that it's pronounced with "er" and they never believe me.

[Olivaero]

Thus cementing Yorkshires dominance of the UK e' by gum lad I think y' may be on t' summin

EDIT: ah well in a position to vie for dominance anyway Even with that tiny spit of land London still has more people in it

The funny thing about Yorkshire is that people pronounce "Yorkshire [terrier]" with an "eye" vowel, I have to correct them that it's pronounced with "er" and they never believe me.

Actually with some versions of our accent it's closer to "Ear" as in "Fear" although plenty of people do sound it "Er"

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Actually with some versions of our accent it's closer to "Ear" as in "Fear" although plenty of people do sound it "Er"

Still not Yorkshyer or Yorkshyddy.

[Fortschritte]

I for one suggest that each of these gets its own parliament and decides on its own laws.

People sure love this suffix -shire there.

It looks as if there are more shires than not.

[Olivaero]

Actually with some versions of our accent it's closer to "Ear" as in "Fear" although plenty of people do sound it "Er"

Still not Yorkshyer or Yorkshyddy.

Yeah... I blame Lord of the Rings! Although I have got to ask.... what is Yorkshyddy? 0.o

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Still not Yorkshyer or Yorkshyddy.

Yeah... I blame Lord of the Rings! Although I have got to ask.... what is Yorkshyddy? 0.o

Brazilians mispronouncing "Yorkshire".

An "e" vowel at the end of a word is clearly an unstressed /e/ that is obviously always [i], doesn't matter the language, English stressed i is obviously always [aj].

[Olivaero]

Yeah... I blame Lord of the Rings! Although I have got to ask.... what is Yorkshyddy? 0.o

Brazilians mispronouncing "Yorkshire".

An "e" vowel at the end of a word is clearly an unstressed /e/ that is obviously always [i], doesn't matter the language, English stressed i is obviously always [aj].

Yeah I'm just confused as to where the "dd" comes from... is that a common way to pronounce r's in Brazilian?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Brazilians mispronouncing "Yorkshire".

An "e" vowel at the end of a word is clearly an unstressed /e/ that is obviously always [i], doesn't matter the language, English stressed i is obviously always [aj].

Yeah I'm just confused as to where the "dd" comes from... is that a common way to pronounce r's in Brazilian?

I meant the Spanish/Portuguese tap. The closest English sound is the American pronunciation of /t/ and /d/ in letter and ladder.

Some Brazilians indeed have retroflex tap, flap and approximant allophones for the tap phoneme, though, but that'd earn you a "hick" epithet in Rio. Well, by mean people.

[The Matthew Islands]

I for one suggest that each of these gets its own parliament and decides on its own laws.

Fuck that noise.

[Angleter]

Of course it's far from perfect, but it should be a stopgap before a more permanent constitutional settlement is hammered out, especially if more powers are devolved to Scotland in the meantime. Labour oppose it even as a stopgap measure because they fear they'll be left with a minority (or worse) in England at the next election and want to be able to rely on their Scottish MPs, or as is now more likely, their SNP coalition partners, to ram through their agenda on English-only affairs. And that'll inevitably create five years (or more) of 2006-7 style animosity between the English and the Scots, and leave the Union in an even more precarious state than it is now (and that's saying something).

[Olivaero]

Yeah I'm just confused as to where the "dd" comes from... is that a common way to pronounce r's in Brazilian?

I meant the Spanish/Portuguese tap. The closest English sound is the American pronunciation of /t/ and /d/ in letter and ladder.

Some Brazilians indeed have retroflex tap, flap and approximant allophones for the tap phoneme, though, but that'd earn you a "hick" epithet in Rio. Well, by mean people.

Ah okay

Of course it's far from perfect, but it should be a stopgap before a more permanent constitutional settlement is hammered out, especially if more powers are devolved to Scotland in the meantime. Labour oppose it even as a stopgap measure because they fear they'll be left with a minority (or worse) in England at the next election and want to be able to rely on their Scottish MPs, or as is now more likely, their SNP coalition partners, to ram through their agenda on English-only affairs. And that'll inevitably create five years (or more) of 2006-7 style animosity between the English and the Scots, and leave the Union in an even more precarious state than it is now (and that's saying something).

Thats probably one of the reasons labour oppose it but considering how Westminster is to ever change the constitutional make up of the country I'd say it's a valid fear that the "stopgap" measure will become the status quo and then the conservatives and perhaps blue labour will fight tooth and nail to retain it. Waiting until after net election will provide a much clearer mandate for what type of constitutional change people want to see in any case.

[Britanno]

All this shows why we need an English Parliament or no devolution to anywhere at all. It's all confusing. Not that I'd back one now. Way too expensive.

[The Lotophagi]

I for one suggest that each of these gets its own parliament and decides on its own laws.

Jesus, that'd be a clusterfuck.

Nonsense. Why, it just harkens back to the golden age of English history back in the 7th century!

[Jute]

Just let Brussels run everything, sorted.

I think they're too busy poking the Russians and standardizing fruit shapes to take this on at the moment.

Standardizing fruit shapes originally had a good reason, though.

[Risottia]

Or jus move the caipital awa frae London tae Edinburgh an make the Scottish parliament responsible fer everything British.

Ooh, move the capital to the Falklands!

Even better. Move the capital to Buenos Aires, and then send the RN to reclaim the capital of the United Kingdom from the Argentine unlawful occupiers.

[Neragua]

IMHO: establish an English Parliament equal in power to the Scottish Parliament. As with the letter, devolve all but national policy areas (economy, defence, foreign affairs, constitutional affairs, etc). Elect English Parliament in the same manner as Scotland's too. Then half the size of the Westminster Parliament.

Voilà.

[Fortschritte]

All this shows why we need an English Parliament or no devolution to anywhere at all. It's all confusing. Not that I'd back one now. Way too expensive.

I fail to see why it's way too expensive.

[Neragua]

All this shows why we need an English Parliament or no devolution to anywhere at all. It's all confusing. Not that I'd back one now. Way too expensive.

I agree. However, devolution is a one way street: once it's given, it won't be returned. Therefore, let's make the relationship amongst the UK home countries equal and devolve equally.

I'd prefer no devolution at all but as I've said, that's a closed road.

[Neragua]

I for one suggest that each of these gets its own parliament and decides on its own laws.

Fuck that noise.

I also doubt places like Banffshire would be able to raise the revenue required to run the place.

Alas, I'm not sure Nazis in Space's post was without sarcasm.