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Who will (would) you vote for?

DUP
9
11%
SF
22
27%
UUP
9
11%
SDLP
6
7%
Alliance
20
24%
Green Party
12
14%
TUV
2
2%
Other
3
4%
 
Total votes : 83

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Camelza
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Postby Camelza » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:03 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Frazers wrote:
The murder of innocents, the attempts at destruction of democracy, or the pettier crimes?

(no whatabouttery please)

I support a united Ireland at all costs and would gladly lay down my life for one and I do not agree with the killing of civilians but innocents must die in every war it's a very sad occurrence but it's what happens

Very logical and mature way of thinking, not. Also, have you asked the people of Northern Ireland if they actually want to unite with the Republic?

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Postby Stormaen » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:04 pm

UUP. Whilst it may be something of a spent force in NI politics, I think its liberal conservatism is – to me – far more appealing than the more hardliner DUP (though they'd probably be my second choice).

I could never vote for a nationalist party, especially not Sinn Féin.
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Benian Republic
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Postby Benian Republic » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:05 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:I support a united Ireland at all costs and would gladly lay down my life for one and I do not agree with the killing of civilians but innocents must die in every war it's a very sad occurrence but it's what happens

Terrorism and warfare are two very different things. Real soldiers don't dress in casual clothing, hide in crowds and kill civilians with hidden bombs. The truth of the matter is that the democratic will of the Northern Irish people was- and is- in favour of retaining the union with Great Britain, and the IRA resorted to violence because they couldn't win at the ballot box. Not that Protestant militias weren't as bad in many cases; but those days are past now, and most people in Northern Ireland would be glad to see them remain in the past, I think. Only a few people like you cling to past grievances.

What would you say the Black and Tans counted as then hmmm they planted bombs dressed like civilians and were funded by the British government
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Postby Camelza » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:07 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Terrorism and warfare are two very different things. Real soldiers don't dress in casual clothing, hide in crowds and kill civilians with hidden bombs. The truth of the matter is that the democratic will of the Northern Irish people was- and is- in favour of retaining the union with Great Britain, and the IRA resorted to violence because they couldn't win at the ballot box. Not that Protestant militias weren't as bad in many cases; but those days are past now, and most people in Northern Ireland would be glad to see them remain in the past, I think. Only a few people like you cling to past grievances.

What would you say the Black and Tans counted as then hmmm they planted bombs dressed like civilians and were funded by the British government

Stop listening to old republican songs and examine the current situation of Northern Ireland more accurately.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:10 pm

Camelza wrote:Alliance.
I abhor sectarianism and idiotic religious quarrels.

^
This

I'm British but not Northern Irish so I won't be able to vote.
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Postby Benian Republic » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:10 pm

Were all entitled to our own opinions I'm sorry for upsetting you,
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Old Tyrannia
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:11 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Terrorism and warfare are two very different things. Real soldiers don't dress in casual clothing, hide in crowds and kill civilians with hidden bombs. The truth of the matter is that the democratic will of the Northern Irish people was- and is- in favour of retaining the union with Great Britain, and the IRA resorted to violence because they couldn't win at the ballot box. Not that Protestant militias weren't as bad in many cases; but those days are past now, and most people in Northern Ireland would be glad to see them remain in the past, I think. Only a few people like you cling to past grievances.

What would you say the Black and Tans counted as then hmmm they planted bombs dressed like civilians and were funded by the British government

The Black and Tans who were disbanded in 1922? And whose actions and conduct received widespread condemnation from the British public, the press, the Church of England, the King, and many MPs at the time? You sure know how to hold a grudge.
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Postby Benian Republic » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:13 pm

Yes I do
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Anti: English Imperialism, Nazism, communism, Israel, Zionism, Margret thatcher, Martin McGuinness, good Friday agreement.
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Postby Frazers » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:16 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Frazers wrote:
The murder of innocents, the attempts at destruction of democracy, or the pettier crimes?

(no whatabouttery please)

You seem like an ulsterman


Being from Ulster that wouldn't be at all inaccurate.
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Camelza
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Postby Camelza » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:17 pm

Benian Republic wrote:Yes I do

Whom exactly are you holding a grudge against? The Northern Irish?
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Frazers
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Postby Frazers » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:18 pm

Benian Republic wrote:
Frazers wrote:
The murder of innocents, the attempts at destruction of democracy, or the pettier crimes?

(no whatabouttery please)

I support a united Ireland at all costs and would gladly lay down my life for one and I do not agree with the killing of civilians but innocents must die in every war it's a very sad occurrence but it's what happens


Innocents were directly targeted. They weren't collateral.

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Postby Ardoki » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:21 pm

Ireland must be united, and as an Irish person, I would obviously vote for Sinn Féin.

:)
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:22 pm

Ardoki wrote:Ireland must be united,

Why?
and as an Irish person, I would obviously vote for Sinn Féin.

That's not at all obvious. Many Irish people don't vote for Sinn Fein, or else Sinn Fein would have governed Ireland since independence.
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:25 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Ireland must be united,

Why?

Why should a country be divided on the basis of religion? Do you really believe a secular state is impossible?

Old Tyrannia wrote:
and as an Irish person, I would obviously vote for Sinn Féin.

That's not at all obvious. Many Irish people don't vote for Sinn Fein, or else Sinn Fein would have governed Ireland since independence.

Well, I am quite left-wing, and I do support a united Ireland. So, that is the main reason I support Sinn Féin.

(You are spelling Sinn Féin incorrectly, in case you didn't know)
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:31 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Why?

Why should a country be divided on the basis of religion? Do you really believe a secular state is impossible?

Old Tyrannia wrote:That's not at all obvious. Many Irish people don't vote for Sinn Fein, or else Sinn Fein would have governed Ireland since independence.

Well, I am quite left-wing, and I do support a united Ireland. So, that is the main reason I support Sinn Féin.

(You are spelling Sinn Féin incorrectly, in case you didn't know)

He probably doesn't have the acute accent (´) on his keyboard.

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Postby Ardoki » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:31 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Why should a country be divided on the basis of religion? Do you really believe a secular state is impossible?


Well, I am quite left-wing, and I do support a united Ireland. So, that is the main reason I support Sinn Féin.

(You are spelling Sinn Féin incorrectly, in case you didn't know)

He probably doesn't have the acute accent (´) on his keyboard.

There is the ability to copy and past, the correct spelling from this thread, wikipedia, google, etc.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:32 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Why?

Why should a country be divided on the basis of religion? Do you really believe a secular state is impossible?

I think a country should be divided if one part of that country overwhelmingly wishes not to be part of that country. It's called self-determination. And, FYI, I don't believe in secularism.
Old Tyrannia wrote:That's not at all obvious. Many Irish people don't vote for Sinn Fein, or else Sinn Fein would have governed Ireland since independence.

Well, I am quite left-wing, and I do support a united Ireland. So, that is the main reason I support Sinn Féin.

That makes more sense. I disagree with your views, of course, but still.
(You are spelling Sinn Féin incorrectly, in case you didn't know)

I did know. It's a bloody pain to include the accent, though.
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Postby Svatantra Mulukama » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:33 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:He probably doesn't have the acute accent (´) on his keyboard.

There is the ability to copy and past, the correct spelling from this thread, wikipedia, google, etc.


Is adding the accent on a Internet forum that important?
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:34 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Why?

Why should a country be divided on the basis of religion? Do you really believe a secular state is impossible?

Why not decide it all in a referendum? We could have four options: current status within the UK, devo-max, unification with the Irish Republic and independence (just an extra).

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:35 pm

Svatantra Mulukama wrote:
Ardoki wrote:There is the ability to copy and past, the correct spelling from this thread, wikipedia, google, etc.


Is adding the accent on a Internet forum that important?

Not really.

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Postby Svatantra Mulukama » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:35 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Why?

Why should a country be divided on the basis of religion? Do you really believe a secular state is impossible?

Old Tyrannia wrote:That's not at all obvious. Many Irish people don't vote for Sinn Fein, or else Sinn Fein would have governed Ireland since independence.

Well, I am quite left-wing, and I do support a united Ireland. So, that is the main reason I support Sinn Féin.

(You are spelling Sinn Féin incorrectly, in case you didn't know)


A country shouldn't be divided on the basis of religion. But, it seems as if most Northern Irish people want to be part of Britain, and for the time being, we should respect that.
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Frazers
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Postby Frazers » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:36 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Why should a country be divided on the basis of religion? Do you really believe a secular state is impossible?

Why not decide it all in a referendum? We could have four options: current status within the UK, devo-max, unification with the Irish Republic and independence (just an extra).


Did it before and the majority said union

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:37 pm

Svatantra Mulukama wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Why should a country be divided on the basis of religion? Do you really believe a secular state is impossible?


Well, I am quite left-wing, and I do support a united Ireland. So, that is the main reason I support Sinn Féin.

(You are spelling Sinn Féin incorrectly, in case you didn't know)


A country shouldn't be divided on the basis of religion. But, it seems as if most Northern Irish people want to be part of Britain, and for the time being, we should respect that.

Why not have a referendum and legitimise being part of the UK for a couple of decades or just unify with the rest of Ireland?

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Postby Dejanic » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:37 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Why should a country be divided on the basis of religion? Do you really believe a secular state is impossible?

Why not decide it all in a referendum? We could have four options: current status within the UK, devo-max, unification with the Irish Republic and independence (just an extra).

Because the unionists would win, let's wait 10 years and have the referendum then.
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Postby Frazers » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:37 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Svatantra Mulukama wrote:
A country shouldn't be divided on the basis of religion. But, it seems as if most Northern Irish people want to be part of Britain, and for the time being, we should respect that.

Why not have a referendum and legitimise being part of the UK for a couple of decades or just unify with the rest of Ireland?


1. Did it before
2. Theres no mandate for it

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