Statistics Don't Support Rape Culture

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Shit, I remember the OP now....

Sorry for the off topic.

[The Sotoan Union]

I'm sorry, the part about groups not wanting to end sexual assault because of the money involved is to conspiracy-riden for me. Is big rape culture right up there with big business now?

I mean how ridiculous to compare sexual assault to smoking. Clearly if a crime that has been committed since the dawn of time hasn't been eliminated its because of corruption in the awareness groups. Otherwise it would be in decline just like cigarettes right?

[Marcurix]

Bullshit.

Not according to the CDC

The specific types of sexual violence assessed included rape (completed or attempted forced penetration or alcohol- or drug-facilitated penetration) and sexual violence other than rape, including being made to penetrate a perpetrator, sexual coercion (nonphysically pressured unwanted penetration), unwanted sexual contact (e.g., kissing or fondling), and noncontact unwanted sexual experiences (e.g., being flashed or forced to view sexually explicit media).

Great, now give me the actual legal definition of rape.

[Frankia]

Statistics don't support rape culture?

Great.

We should still teach our men to be less obsessed with boobs. There's definitely an issue with that.

Interest in breasts/breast size is a sexual fetish which can be possessed by anyone regardless of sex or gender. It has nothing to do with rape and is as much a culture as any other. Is a fetish for hairy armpits a sign of the existence of a rape culture? How about vomit?

[Haktiva]

I think women dress the way they dress to please themselves. If they wanted to impress dudes, they wouldn't wear clothes.

yeah, but that's illegal for the most part and not acceptable. Got to have a few strings to cover the naughty bits, after all. Still, you've got a hell of a point.

[T Roosevelt]

I would really like to see dresses take a more casual return, I don't see women usually wearing them unless for special occasions now.

I actually really prefer that myself. I hate to say it, but when women have their goods out on full display, it pretty much saturates the sexual market. plus when men have access to porn for free whenever they want it for the most part, most women can't compete with that. I think they dress like that more for attention(unless maybe it's a gaming or comic convention, because guys kinds dress like that too), in that they feel sexy, but aren't looking for a date or a lay. It probably ends up desensitizing a lot of men too.

If men weren't so desensitized by pornography and these revealing advertisements, the opposite sex wouldn't have to dress so abhorrently. The porn industry should be banned and advertisements should have tighter regulations on the contexts of clothing. Men shouldn't have to please themselves with pornography and women shouldn't have to objectify themselves to a high extent. Frankly, I don't think even men should please themselves without a female partner. It's an unhealthy practice that can be better experienced with your wife completely.

[Haktiva]

I'm sorry, the part about groups not wanting to end sexual assault because of the money involved is to conspiracy-riden for me. Is big rape culture right up there with big business now?

I mean how ridiculous to compare sexual assault to smoking. Clearly if a crime that has been committed since the dawn of time hasn't been eliminated its because of corruption in the awareness groups. Otherwise it would be in decline just like cigarettes right?

Well it pretty much is but the media likes to sensationalize things. There's money in it. You'd have to be a fool to think that people who've made a career complaining about a problem all want that problem to go away.

[The Sotoan Union]

I think women dress the way they dress to please themselves. If they wanted to impress dudes, they wouldn't wear clothes.

Well by that logic guys must not care about getting women. Otherwise they'd have their manhood triumphantly displayed.

[The Grey Wolf]

Statistics don't support rape culture?

Great.

We should still teach our men to be less obsessed with boobs. There's definitely an issue with that.

Because that's totally the issue.

[T Roosevelt]

I think women dress the way they dress to please themselves. If they wanted to impress dudes, they wouldn't wear clothes.

Well by that logic guys must not care about getting women. Otherwise they'd have their manhood triumphantly displayed.

There's nothing masculine about being publicly naked; the most triumphant display of manhood is kissing your bride.

[Haktiva]

Not according to the CDC

The specific types of sexual violence assessed included rape (completed or attempted forced penetration or alcohol- or drug-facilitated penetration) and sexual violence other than rape, including being made to penetrate a perpetrator, sexual coercion (nonphysically pressured unwanted penetration), unwanted sexual contact (e.g., kissing or fondling), and noncontact unwanted sexual experiences (e.g., being flashed or forced to view sexually explicit media).

Great, now give me the actual legal definition of rape.

According to the CDC(in the same article as above)

rape (completed or attempted forced penetration or alcohol- or drug-facilitated penetration)

According to the FBI

The new Summary definition of Rape is: “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

[The Two Jerseys]

Statistics don't support rape culture?

Great.

We should still teach our men to be less obsessed with boobs. There's definitely an issue with that.

"And remember Billy, being sexually attracted to the female body IS A SIN, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HELL FOR IT!"

*hits with ruler*

"WHEN YOU GET AN ERECTION, YOU MAKE JESUS CRY!"

*hits with ruler*

[The Sotoan Union]

Well by that logic guys must not care about getting women. Otherwise they'd have their manhood triumphantly displayed.

There's nothing masculine about being publicly naked; the most triumphant display of manhood is kissing your bride.

What kind of display of masculinity requires a woman?

Don't shower, don't wear clothes, and walk erect with your head held up high. One whiff of your manly hormones, and one glance at your testosterone fueled march, and everyone in the room will bow to your superior alpha-male status.

[Gauthier]

MRA rant in 3... 2... 1...

[Our Governator]

There's nothing masculine about being publicly naked; the most triumphant display of manhood is kissing your bride.

What kind of display of masculinity requires a woman?

Don't shower, don't wear clothes, and walk erect with your head held up high. One whiff of your manly hormones, and one glance at your testosterone fueled march, and everyone in the room will bow to your superior alpha-male status.

To all you kids out there reading this, he's only kidding. Please shower

[Marcurix]

Great, now give me the actual legal definition of rape.

According to the CDC(in the same article as above)

rape (completed or attempted forced penetration or alcohol- or drug-facilitated penetration)

According to the FBI

The new Summary definition of Rape is: “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

First things first, the CDC and the study you linked to is not a legal definition of rape. Its a pretext for that particular study.

Secondly, the FBI definition does not in anyway prove your point that a male can not be raped. Quiet the opposite in fact, as it lacks any gender qualifications and specifics on who exactly is committing the act.

At this point i'm not particularly convinced you have a solid understanding of the issue you're trying to argue.

[Haktiva]

I actually really prefer that myself. I hate to say it, but when women have their goods out on full display, it pretty much saturates the sexual market. plus when men have access to porn for free whenever they want it for the most part, most women can't compete with that. I think they dress like that more for attention(unless maybe it's a gaming or comic convention, because guys kinds dress like that too), in that they feel sexy, but aren't looking for a date or a lay. It probably ends up desensitizing a lot of men too.

If men weren't so desensitized by pornography and these revealing advertisements, the opposite sex wouldn't have to dress so abhorrently. The porn industry should be banned and advertisements should have tighter regulations on the contexts of clothing. Men shouldn't have to please themselves with pornography and women shouldn't have to objectify themselves to a high extent. Frankly, I don't think even men should please themselves without a female partner. It's an unhealthy practice that can be better experienced with your wife completely.

That's where I start to disagree. Men and women should be allowed to get their sexual needs fulfilled by whoever they want so long as there is consent. I for one think marriage is bad for men, and dating is also dangerous too due to lots of risks for the man in the form of accidental pregnancies as well as other legate risks, so it's much better for them to use pornography.

And it's a mating strategy between the sexes. Men attract women through displays of wealth, resources, and utility when they aren't getting that much attention, and women become more sexual provocative when they aren't getting as much attention.

[Our Governator]

Perhaps one could provide an example of a trial where a woman has been put on trial for raping a man?

[Gauthier]

Statistics don't support rape culture?

Great.

We should still teach our men to be less obsessed with boobs. There's definitely an issue with that.

"And remember Billy, being sexually attracted to the female body IS A SIN, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HELL FOR IT!"

*hits with ruler*

"WHEN YOU GET AN ERECTION, YOU MAKE JESUS CRY!"

*hits with ruler*

"But Father O'Malley says-"

*hits with ruler*

"NONE OF THAT, BOY!"

[Haktiva]

According to the CDC(in the same article as above)

rape (completed or attempted forced penetration or alcohol- or drug-facilitated penetration)

According to the FBI

The new Summary definition of Rape is: “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

First things first, the CDC and the study you linked to is not a legal definition of rape. Its a pretext for that particular study.

Secondly, the FBI definition does not in anyway prove your point that a male can be raped. Quiet the opposite in fact, as it lacks any gender qualifications and specifics on who exactly is committing the act.

At this point i'm not particularly convinced you have a solid understanding of the issue you're trying to argue.

Well men can certainly be raped by other men(look at prison). The stigma is that women can't rape a man. Though of course, looking into that same FBI thing, I did find this;

Rape (except Statutory Rape)
The carnal knowledge of a person, without the consent of the victim, including instances where the victim is incapable of giving consent because of his/her age or because of his/her temporary or permanent mental or physical incapacity

[Yalos]

Statistics don't support rape culture?

Great.

We should still teach our men to be less obsessed with boobs. There's definitely an issue with that.

Interest in breasts/breast size is a sexual fetish which can be possessed by anyone regardless of sex or gender. It has nothing to do with rape and is as much a culture as any other. Is a fetish for hairy armpits a sign of the existence of a rape culture? How about vomit?

I wasn't necessarily talking about rape culture.

Was I?

[Wisconsin9]

Perhaps one could provide an example of a trial where a woman has been put on trial for raping a man?

There's one in Seattle, apparently.

[Fartsniffage]

And it's a mating strategy between the sexes. Men attract women through displays of wealth, resources, and utility when they aren't getting that much attention, and women become more sexual provocative when they aren't getting as much attention.

I'm not rich and I really don't have any realistic chance of becoming so. Nor am I good looking.

Yet I really don't seem to have too much trouble gaining female attention. If you feel that way, perhaps you're just repulsive?

[Gauthier]

Perhaps one could provide an example of a trial where a woman has been put on trial for raping a man?

There's one in Seattle, apparently.

The Usual Suspects will of course insist she will be acquitted and the man mocked for complaining about it, yada yada yada.

[T Roosevelt]

If men weren't so desensitized by pornography and these revealing advertisements, the opposite sex wouldn't have to dress so abhorrently. The porn industry should be banned and advertisements should have tighter regulations on the contexts of clothing. Men shouldn't have to please themselves with pornography and women shouldn't have to objectify themselves to a high extent. Frankly, I don't think even men should please themselves without a female partner. It's an unhealthy practice that can be better experienced with your wife completely.

That's where I start to disagree. Men and women should be allowed to get their sexual needs fulfilled by whoever they want so long as there is consent. I for one think marriage is bad for men, and dating is also dangerous too due to lots of risks for the man in the form of accidental pregnancies as well as other legate risks, so it's much better for them to use pornography.

And it's a mating strategy between the sexes. Men attract women through displays of wealth, resources, and utility when they aren't getting that much attention, and women become more sexual provocative when they aren't getting as much attention.

Ignoring a woman will not make her want to be intimate with you unless you're very valuable to her (She finds you attractive). Women do not find passive men attractive, that is why it's expected that men approach. You mentioned utility, what is male utility?