Why modern Western Nations hate Communism?

[Gaelic Celtia]

The same reason why hate generally exists. Lack of education on the subject.

That pretty much sums it up.

[The new order of Hetalia7]

Western nations like the United States hate Socialism because they do not understand it. Socialism is for a classless, stateless, moneyless society. Where all work, and all share in the wealth.

[Bojikami]

The same reason why hate generally exists. Lack of education on the subject.

No I studied communism and the USSR for years and a lot of people thought I was a communist in school for the books I choose to read.I know why they wanted what they wanted and I know the methods they went to in the name of Communism.I learned as much as I could about the USSR and found no justification for killing over 20,000,000 people and putting millions in gulags.They only killed people who went against their form of communism and had no problems letting a murder serve a five year sentence in a gulag,but someone who is anti'-communist got a death sentence for speaking out against their regime...

My friend, if you knew anything about Communism you would know that the Soviet Union was not even remotely communist.

[Communist Bloodia]

Western nations like the United States hate Socialism because they do not understand it. Socialism is for a classless, stateless, moneyless society. Where all work, and all share in the wealth.

Wrong....
Communism is a classless, stateless, and moneyless society.
Socialism is where the workers' control the means of production democratically.

[Master Shake]

because millions have died in the name of Communist revolutions... and this is especially well-known from the Cold War.

And yet how many people did America kill in it's name yet it does not face the same hostilites.

We did it in the name of Democracy and remember we killed a lot of Americans during the Civil War...

[Keventle]

because millions have died in the name of Communist revolutions... and this is especially well-known from the Cold War.

And yet how many people did America kill in it's name yet it does not face the same hostilites.

well definitely not in the 90 million + range with mass starvations and mass murder.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

because millions have died in the name of Communist revolutions... and this is especially well-known from the Cold War.

And yet how many people did America kill in it's name yet it does not face the same hostilites.

50 million or more since World War II, in the name of "freedom & democracy", through the sponsoring of fascist entities or death squads, as well as occasionally, some cartels & takfiris. #Irony.

Before that, 95-114 million indigenous Americans (Vietnam having suffered the worst with a death toll of 3-10 million), as well as about 36-42 million Africans in the slave trade, in addition to certain occasions such as where 1,5 million Filipinos died under 1800s American occupation.

*Flinches at the name of Mao*

Fun fact: If you combine their kill count, both combined have killed around 99 million people.

I was long convinced these imaginary numbers regarding Communist countries were invented to white wash the crimes of our NATO-EU régimes, their allies, of the Fascists/Nazis, as well as their old imperialism predecessors.

Nazis killed a whole deal of Jewish people (however the number is being disputed), plus another 27 million documented Soviet civilians.
Mussolini Fascists murdered hundreds of thousands in Ethiopia as well as other places.
Francisco Franco's régime slaughtered 600 000 - 800 000 Spaniards, as well as several millions in colonies during the Cold War 1,0.
Portugal's régime slaughtered several millions in former colonies as well.
Kolchak's régime, with the help of our Western régimes at the time, managed to slaughter tens of millions of Soviet civilians. Churchill even wrote a document endorsing chemical attacks to massacre Communist sympathisers; a document utilised to launch the 1919 Murmansk massacre.
Chiang Kai Shek's régime White Terror also killed up to 30 million people.
Imperial Japan murdered 53 million in its neighbours.
Zionist régime entity settlers killed 1,5 million Palestinians (whether Christian, Orthodox Jewish, or Muslim) from Nakba onwards.

Oh, how Capitalist-Imperialist + Fascist elites hath slaughtered without mercy, yet all their crimes are good & well, in the name of "freedom & democracy", or "patriotism & glory".

[Master Shake]

The same reason why hate generally exists. Lack of education on the subject.

No I studied communism and the USSR for years and a lot of people thought I was a communist in school for the books I choose to read.I know why they wanted what they wanted and I know the methods they went to in the name of Communism.I learned as much as I could about the USSR and found no justification for killing over 20,000,000 people and putting millions in gulags.They only killed people who went against their form of communism and had no problems letting a murderer serve a five year sentence in a gulag,but someone who is anti'-communist got a death sentence for speaking out against their regime...

Fun fact: If you combine their kill count, both combined have killed around 99 million people.

Makes the nazi's look like sissies...

Throw in Pol Pot and its over 100,000,000 million deaths...

The same reason why hate generally exists. Lack of education on the subject.

That pretty much sums it up.

Dude...no...Communists crimes may not be as well documented as the Nazi's,but any Russia,Eastern Bloc citizen or Chinese will tell you these guys are bad news!

[The new order of Hetalia7]

Western nations like the United States hate Socialism because they do not understand it. Socialism is for a classless, stateless, moneyless society. Where all work, and all share in the wealth.

Wrong....
Communism is a classless, stateless, and moneyless society.
Socialism is where the workers' control the means of production democratically.

Communism does not exist(its a state of being)

Your idea of communism is the end goal, your idea of socialism is the in between, but its actually called Socialism not Communism


And no, State Socialism is different.....

[Gaelic Celtia]

And yet how many people did America kill in it's name yet it does not face the same hostilites.

We did it in the name of Democracy and remember we killed a lot of Americans during the Civil War...

So killing for a so called "good cause" makes it perfectly okay?

And yet how many people did America kill in it's name yet it does not face the same hostilites.

well definitely not in the 90 million + range with mass starvations and mass murder.

Debatable. And since it allegedly didn't kill as many it shouldn't be a bad thing?

[Trotskylvania]

Dude, this is something so basic it's in The Communist Manifesto.

The proletariat and the bourgeoisie are classes with diametrically opposed interests and values. That manifests in a real political struggle, a class struggle. The ultimate aim of class struggle for the working class is one where they become the masters of their own destiny, with the abolition of bourgeois property and the establishment of a free association among workers to democratically control economic and administrative affairs. This is called communism, and it's quite natural that anyone in the capitalist class would reject it. It means they lose their source of wealth and political power, and become proletarians like everyone else.

Every other idea has been co-opted by the bourgeoisie over time, twisted to serve their own ends. Socialism became worker's governments socializing the costs of capitalist failure while continuing to allow capitalist success to be privatized. Even trade unions, pulled from active class struggle, became business friendly and powerful lobbies for pro-business politics that didn't cause undue harm to the trade union. Libertarianism and anarchism all got their right-wing, pro-capitalist variations.

But communism is, as Zizek points out, the one idea that cannot be corrupted. It has always been considered, correctly, by the capitalists to be the ultimate antithesis to their interests, especially in its pure form. The Soviet Union is far less terrifying to the capitalist than The Culture.

[Gaelic Celtia]

The same reason why hate generally exists. Lack of education on the subject.

That pretty much sums it up.

Dude...no...Communists crimes may not be as well documented as the Nazi's,but any Russia,Eastern Bloc citizen or Chinese will tell you these guys are bad news![/quote]

If you were as educated as you say you are on the matter, you would realize that those leaders may have espoused communism, but it absolutely was not the same ideas of Marx.

That is like saying Democracy is an evil system based only on the governments of Belarus and Russia.

[Master Shake]

We did it in the name of Democracy and remember we killed a lot of Americans during the Civil War...

So killing for a so called "good cause" makes it perfectly okay?

well definitely not in the 90 million + range with mass starvations and mass murder.

Debatable. And since it allegedly didn't kill as many it shouldn't be a bad thing?

Most circumstances it CAN be justified...but yes we didn't go around killing anyone who hated Democracy until they posed a threat to our freedom.

Communists and the USSR will kill you if you speak out against their values and goverment.We American's have freedom of speech...

[The People of the New Dawn]

And yet how many people did America kill in it's name yet it does not face the same hostilites.[/quote]


The death tolls are nowhere near comparable

[Souriya Al-Assad]

The death tolls are nowhere near comparable

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[Gaelic Celtia]

So killing for a so called "good cause" makes it perfectly okay?


Debatable. And since it allegedly didn't kill as many it shouldn't be a bad thing?

Most circumstances it CAN be justified...but yes we didn't go around killing anyone who hated Democracy until they posed a threat to our freedom.

Communists and the USSR will kill you if you speak out against their values and goverment.We American's have freedom of speech...

Justified. Right. The native Americans, The installment of dictatorships in Central America, the Philippines, the years of slavery, all can be justified because they apparently were necessary for American freedom.

[Master Shake]

And yet how many people did America kill in it's name yet it does not face the same hostilites.

The death tolls are nowhere near comparable

Thank you.That was the point of my above post about the Civil War.Most American deaths in the death toll were either Americans during the Civil War or during WW1 or WW2...

[Gaelic Celtia]

And yet how many people did America kill in it's name yet it does not face the same hostilites.

The death tolls are nowhere near comparable[/quote]
Again, this makes it okay?

[Souriya Al-Assad]

Most circumstances it CAN be justified...but yes we didn't go around killing anyone who hated Democracy until they posed a threat to our freedom.

Communists and the USSR will kill you if you speak out against their values and goverment.We American's have freedom of speech...

Justified. Right. The native Americans, The installment of dictatorships in Central America, the Philippines, the years of slavery, all can be justified because they apparently were necessary for American freedom.

The death of Indigenous Americans being the single largest genocide in human history. (95-114 million victims)

[Communist Bloodia]

And yet how many people did America kill in it's name yet it does not face the same hostilites.

The death tolls are nowhere near comparable

Thank you.That was the point of my above post about the Civil War.Most American deaths in the death toll were either Americans during the Civil War or during WW1 or WW2...[/quote]
You can say the same about the Soviets for World war 2.... 15 million in world war 2 also you can't blame famine on people.

[Shie]

State-Communism can't work but anarcho-communism just may.

This might stir a few Communists out of their grave.

Proudhon wasn't a communist.

[Trotskylvania]

So killing for a so called "good cause" makes it perfectly okay?


Debatable. And since it allegedly didn't kill as many it shouldn't be a bad thing?

Most circumstances it CAN be justified...but yes we didn't go around killing anyone who hated Democracy until they posed a threat to our freedom.

Communists and the USSR will kill you if you speak out against their values and goverment.We American's have freedom of speech...

No, Stalinists will kill you for disagreeing.

Stalinism wasn't just something that happened over night. The centralization of power, the growth of the state security apparatus, and the rigid totalitarianization of society was a long process, and as late as 1931, Stalin still did not have the power to circumvent the laws of the Soviet state or overcome the democratic norms within the Party. His attempts to get one of his critics executed, both directly and on trumped up charges, where vetoed by the Central Committee, and he was nearly removed from the office of General Secretary by the Party Congress.

[Keventle]

We did it in the name of Democracy and remember we killed a lot of Americans during the Civil War...

So killing for a so called "good cause" makes it perfectly okay?

well definitely not in the 90 million + range with mass starvations and mass murder.

Debatable. And since it allegedly didn't kill as many it shouldn't be a bad thing?

Well in the span of 238 years vs. 80ish years. and some people claim around 20 million just under Stalin. Not to mention Mao from around 49-78 million

[Master Shake]

Thank you.That was the point of my above post about the Civil War.Most American deaths in the death toll were either Americans during the Civil War or during WW1 or WW2...

You can say the same about the Soviets for World war 2.... 15 million in world war 2 also you can't blame famine on people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Except for famines engineered by the Soviet leadership...right?

I don't recall the American's starving anyone in the name of their ideals...

[Gaelic Celtia]

Justified. Right. The native Americans, The installment of dictatorships in Central America, the Philippines, the years of slavery, all can be justified because they apparently were necessary for American freedom.

The death of Indigenous Americans being the single largest genocide in human history. (95-114 million victims)

Indeed. But clearly they threatened American principles of Democracy and freedom so it is justified.