Discussion on Libertarianism

[Germanic Templars]

Libertarianism- derived from the word "libero" meaning "free" or "freedom". Basically used to describe free thinkers... Of course this word is misused to describe people on the left, which some, if not most, are not so much free thinkers.

Over all I am against it.

[Dalmacie]

Libertarianism is stupid.

^ This.

To me, it is basically the epitome of selfishness and child-like political behavior.

[The Saint James Islands]

Theft is objectivism.

Objectivism is love. Love is hate.

Hate is theft. Circle of transitivity complete.

Libertarianism- derived from the word "libero" meaning "free" or "freedom". Basically used to describe free thinkers... Of course this word is misused to describe people on the left, which some, if not most, are not so much free thinkers.

Over all I am against it.

If you read the OP, you'd realise we're talking about right-wing libertarians, how the term is used in the States.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Wait, isn't every NSG thread a discussion on Libertarianism? At least in the long run?

[Death Metal]

Libertarianism is stupid.

[Zweite Alaje]

It is nearly my complete ideological opposite, I hate it.

[The Serbian Empire]

I'm not just a strong supporter of Libertarianism, but everything short of being a full party member (I'm not willing to tie myself to a given party with membership yet given how McCarthyism happened to the Communist Party in the US). It's not for everyone though and I consider the position as just reduce the binding overbearing social conservatism at this time as the government has recently yielded a surplus from the sequester. Surpluses are good.

[Moralem Populi]

Wait, isn't every NSG thread a discussion on Libertarianism? At least in the long run?

In what way?

[The Saint James Islands]

Libertarianism is when cool, edgy rebels decide they don't like paying taxes. Then they proceed to their taxpayer funded middle school where they get into an accident so they get rushed on taxpayer funded roads to a taxpayer funded ER where they are treated by taxpayer funded nurses. Then they return to protesting taxes.

Well, then. This is the perfectly perfect piece of perfection that shall perfectly be used to perfectly define libertarianism perfectly.
For any questioning inquiries, please contact the Department of Redundancy Department.

[The Serbian Empire]

Libertarianism is stupid.

And thus we have my opinion summed up beautifully in one sentence.

But seriously, libertarianism is basically the result of people being too idealistic economically. The market will not regulate itself perfectly 100% of the time, and the market is not guaranteed to take care of all the workers. Thus we have government regulation.

The government unfortunately has a tendency to favor the hand that feeds it the most campaign contributions thus weakening the regulation in the first place to the point it harms the small, and results in feeding the multi-national with the resources to lobby the government.

[Germanic Templars]

Objectivism is love. Love is hate.

Hate is theft. Circle of transitivity complete.

Libertarianism- derived from the word "libero" meaning "free" or "freedom". Basically used to describe free thinkers... Of course this word is misused to describe people on the left, which some, if not most, are not so much free thinkers.

Over all I am against it.

If you read the OP, you'd realise we're talking about right-wing libertarians, how the term is used in the States.

O fudge muffins.. I should really stop getting into discussions at 1 am in the morning.. Anyway, thanks for straightening that out for me.

After being straightened out like that, I actually agree with some methods of it, while disagree with other methods of it.

Such as limited government and self ownership (Both I strongly agree on). Free-market Capitalism, I'm a little "eh" on it. A bit too much freedom in it is a bit bad in some cases so.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Wait, isn't every NSG thread a discussion on Libertarianism? At least in the long run?

In what way>

In the way that nearly every thread (especially those regarding elections, the economy, gun control, or Constitutional rights, which is to say most of them) ends up attracting a passionate Libertarian crowd.

[Moralem Populi]

In what way>

In the way that nearly every thread (especially those regarding elections, the economy, gun control, or Constitutional rights, which is to say most of them) ends up attracting a passionate Libertarian crowd.

With regards to civil liberties, a great deal of NSG members are in good terms with libertarians. In this sense, this is mainly about the economy.

[The Flood]

Libertarianism is essentially the exact opposite of everything I believe.

[The Serbian Empire]

In what way>

In the way that nearly every thread (especially those regarding elections, the economy, gun control, or Constitutional rights, which is to say most of them) ends up attracting a passionate Libertarian crowd.

Well, they're either the source of the largest agreement or the greatest dissent depending on the topic. If it is ending the War on Drugs to yield a government surplus, most will be in agreement. Elsewhere, I must dodge the rotting tomatoes.

[Agymnum]

In the way that nearly every thread (especially those regarding elections, the economy, gun control, or Constitutional rights, which is to say most of them) ends up attracting a passionate Libertarian crowd.

Well, they're either the source of the largest agreement or the greatest dissent depending on the topic. If it is ending the War on Drugs to yield a government surplus, most will be in agreement. Elsewhere, I must dodge the rotting tomatoes.

Pretty much. Libertarians and I get along socially, but as soon as we get into economics I become the evil socialist pinko and they become the abusive CEO who doesn't care for his workers.

[Dalmacie]

And thus we have my opinion summed up beautifully in one sentence.

But seriously, libertarianism is basically the result of people being too idealistic economically. The market will not regulate itself perfectly 100% of the time, and the market is not guaranteed to take care of all the workers. Thus we have government regulation.

The government unfortunately has a tendency to favor the hand that feeds it the most campaign contributions thus weakening the regulation in the first place to the point it harms the small, and results in feeding the multi-national with the resources to lobby the government.

And there are better ways at fixing that problem than completely eliminating government regulations.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

In the way that nearly every thread (especially those regarding elections, the economy, gun control, or Constitutional rights, which is to say most of them) ends up attracting a passionate Libertarian crowd.

Well, they're either the source of the largest agreement or the greatest dissent depending on the topic. If it is ending the War on Drugs to yield a government surplus, most will be in agreement. Elsewhere, I must dodge the rotting tomatoes.

I agree. Simply explaining my original statement, as requested.

And I find myself in general agreement with their take on social freedoms, but despise their economic views.

[The Saint James Islands]

And thus we have my opinion summed up beautifully in one sentence.

But seriously, libertarianism is basically the result of people being too idealistic economically. The market will not regulate itself perfectly 100% of the time, and the market is not guaranteed to take care of all the workers. Thus we have government regulation.

The government unfortunately has a tendency to favor the hand that feeds it the most campaign contributions thus weakening the regulation in the first place to the point it harms the small, and results in feeding the multi-national with the resources to lobby the government.

This is why there is a movement for campaign finance reform, probably the only reason I don't want my Congressperson thrown in a pile of horse manure. And not to mention the (crap, the word escaped me...) piles of money that multi-nationals have to challenge regulation and flaunt it. All the more reason why multi-nationals are crap-in-general.
Sadly, libertarianism, with its "lets not care about the shit that gets thrown in people's food" attitude, would do nothing to abate this problem. AGAINST

[Moralem Populi]

The government unfortunately has a tendency to favor the hand that feeds it the most campaign contributions thus weakening the regulation in the first place to the point it harms the small, and results in feeding the multi-national with the resources to lobby the government.

This is why there is a movement for campaign finance reform, probably the only reason I don't want my Congressperson thrown in a pile of horse manure. And not to mention the (crap, the word escaped me...) piles of money that multi-nationals have to challenge regulation and flaunt it. All the more reason why multi-nationals are crap-in-general.
Sadly, libertarianism, with its "lets not care about the shit that gets thrown in people's food" attitude, would do nothing to abate this problem. AGAINST

The backbone of the market is the small business. Multinational corporations should be subjected to strong international laws regarding worker's rights and trade. There are some things that need to be enforced universally.

[The Saint James Islands]

This is why there is a movement for campaign finance reform, probably the only reason I don't want my Congressperson thrown in a pile of horse manure. And not to mention the (crap, the word escaped me...) piles of money that multi-nationals have to challenge regulation and flaunt it. All the more reason why multi-nationals are crap-in-general.
Sadly, libertarianism, with its "lets not care about the shit that gets thrown in people's food" attitude, would do nothing to abate this problem. AGAINST

The backbone of the market is the small business. Multinational corporations should be subjected to strong international laws regarding worker's rights and trade. There are some things that need to be enforced universally.

I agree entirely. Sadly, that doesn't happen in the real world. (Challenge accepted.) Maybe it's a libertarian conspiracy...

[Genivaria]

Small government is incompetent and weak.

[Death Metal]

The backbone of the market is the small business. Multinational corporations should be subjected to strong international laws regarding worker's rights and trade. There are some things that need to be enforced universally.

Don't forget anti-trust laws.

[Thafoo]

Small government is incompetent and weak.

Remember Rapture...

[Genivaria]

Small government is incompetent and weak.

Remember Rapture...

All Libertarians are secretly mutant drug-addicts. Trufact.