Congresswoman Gabby Giffords Shot in Head

[Innsmothe]

Thals generally my point.

America is too immature to have guns.

I dont own a gun but the day they are banned is the day there will be a civil war.

See?
Immature.

That's like a kid that just got his toys took away, they have tantrum. And trantrum-ing kids get spanked.

[Greed and Death]

Am I the only one who blames his actions on the 2012 doomsday people? Their anti government talk, saying that the Illuminati actively contol the government and are the enemies of humanity, certainly seems like it could influence a mentally I'll person into commmitting such violent acts. And unlike with the Tea Party accusation, we actually have evidence that he listened to the 2012 stuff.

The comments about the gold standard suggest he was listening to either the Tea Party, or the same people the Tea Party are listening to.

No one is saying it's concrete, but there's 'evidence', all I'm saying.

Not really his comments about currency have no value if not back by gold or silver were vague.
Furthermore his comments about infinite currency run in a complete antithesis to gold standard advocates.
Those claiming he was a gold standard advocate and thus a tea partier are at best grasping at straws.

[South Norwega]

Thals generally my point.

America is too immature to have guns.

I dont own a gun but the day they are banned is the day there will be a civil war.

They're not going to be banned.

Only annoying people want to ban guns.

Gun control is about regulation, not prohibition.

Poverty rate is 7.4%, compared to the US's 12%.

Which is funny because it proves my point the free market helps poverty. Well the poor will be richer then they our now.

And there are other examples which disprove it.

EDIT: Here we go!

Not relevant to the discussion.

[Mercator Terra]

Which is funny because it proves my point the free market helps poverty. Well the poor will be richer then they our now.

Switzerland is a welfare state.

Actually they are not but if you dont believe me heres a source.
http://www.nationalaffairs.com/public_interest/detail/welfare-and-dependency-in-switzerland

[Mercator Terra]

I dont own a gun but the day they are banned is the day there will be a civil war.

They're not going to be banned.

Only annoying people want to ban guns.

Gun control is about regulation, not prohibition.

Its about education and were they can be used and carried.

[Grave_n_idle]

The comments about the gold standard suggest he was listening to either the Tea Party, or the same people the Tea Party are listening to.

No one is saying it's concrete, but there's 'evidence', all I'm saying.

I get the feeling that he just latched onto any idea he heard that sounded "cool" and then tried (unsuccessfully) to integrate them all into some post-modern collage that was his own. Not that anyone could truly call any post-modern collage one's "own", mind you...

I get the impression of a slow kid desperately wanting to be bright and failing horribly.

I get the feeling of a kid raised in the divided political system we've had for the last decade, with it's epidemic paranoia, and lowest common denominator violence philosophy. I get the feeling of a kid desperately looking for answers (look at his reading list), and finding a home in the paranoid ramblings of the conspiracy theorist fringe. There are a lot of voices out there preaching revolution and second amendment solutions - just as there always are in hard times. For some reason, that message seemed to resonate with this kid.

Or, I could be wrong. And he might have been tipped over the edge by too much sugar in his breakfast cereal. Who really knows?

[Xsyne]

Switzerland is a welfare state.

Actually they are not but if you dont believe me heres a source.
http://www.nationalaffairs.com/public_interest/detail/welfare-and-dependency-in-switzerland

They've got social security. They're a welfare state no matter how much people try to weasel around it.

[Mercator Terra]

Actually they are not but if you dont believe me heres a source.
http://www.nationalaffairs.com/public_interest/detail/welfare-and-dependency-in-switzerland

They've got social security. They're a welfare state no matter how much people try to weasel around it.

If they're a welfare state because of social security then almost every developed country in the world is a welfare state.

[Grave_n_idle]

The comments about the gold standard suggest he was listening to either the Tea Party, or the same people the Tea Party are listening to.

No one is saying it's concrete, but there's 'evidence', all I'm saying.

Not really his comments about currency have no value if not back by gold or silver were vague.
Furthermore his comments about infinite currency run in a complete antithesis to gold standard advocates.
Those claiming he was a gold standard advocate and thus a tea partier are at best grasping at straws.

'Straws' seems to be the framework of his philosophy, or at least what's made public. Those who try to flat-out deny that it's even a possible interpretation seem to be self-serving in their assessment.

[Wikkiwallana]

On a personal note, the Arizona shooting took place two blocks from the home of my brother-in-law and his wife. They are safe, but they and their neighbors know some of the people who were killed and wounded.

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I'd like to point out Rachel Maddow's superb response to this affair. I know that Maddow is widely disliked among conservatives, but it is noteworthy that she did not attempt to tie this incident to conservative militancy, which she has documented in past shows. Instead, she focused on another issue: The recurring nature of this sort of thing in America. Her drumbeat recital of the details of 15 previous incidents of this nature over the last 22 years (the span of Jerod Lee Laughner's lifetime) hammered that point home powerfully. but then - rather than segueing to an immediate call for gun control (the usual liberal response), she simply asked what the nation could do - if anything - to prevent such massacres in the future.

I would agree with Ms. Maddow: This is a conversation that we need to have, and we really need to make it an adult conversation rather than letting it descend into the usual political argument over gun control, health care, culture, video games, religion, or whatever.

Likewise I want to commend Roger Ailes:http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fox-news-roger-ailes-tells-commentators-shut-tone/story?id=12590679

"Both sides are wrong, but they both do it," Ailes continued. "I told all of our guys, shut up, tone it down, make your argument intellectually. You don't have to do it with bombast. I hope the other side does that."

[Grave_n_idle]

They've got social security. They're a welfare state no matter how much people try to weasel around it.

If they're a welfare state because of social security then almost every developed country in the world is a welfare state.

Indeed. Pure capitalism, unfettered, is not a desirable state for the management of a nation.

[Mercator Terra]

If they're a welfare state because of social security then almost every developed country in the world is a welfare state.

Indeed. Pure capitalism, unfettered, is not a desirable state for the management of a nation.

Thats subjective but this isnt the place to debate that.

[Grave_n_idle]

Indeed. Pure capitalism, unfettered, is not a desirable state for the management of a nation.

Thats subjective but this isnt the place to debate that.

My response to your free-market hijack is off-topic? You don't say?

[Grave_n_idle]

Thals generally my point.

America is too immature to have guns.

I dont own a gun but the day they are banned is the day there will be a civil war.

I'll have to hand it to you... it takes balls of steel to preach revolution in a thread about an attempted assassination.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

I'm just amazed she's still alive.

[Coccygia]

Well, obviously, every American should be required by law to carry a concealed handgun without a permit so this kind of terrible thing won't happen again.

[Mercator Terra]

Thats subjective but this isnt the place to debate that.

My response to your free-market hijack is off-topic? You don't say?

Hijack? I said this isnt the place to debate that. If you didnt respond we would be having this conversation...

[Xsyne]

They've got social security. They're a welfare state no matter how much people try to weasel around it.

If they're a welfare state because of social security then almost every developed country in the world is a welfare state.

Yes, they are. And?

[Alien Space Bats]

Or, I could be wrong. And he might have been tipped over the edge by too much sugar in his breakfast cereal. Who really knows?

We'll probably never know. He's not talking, and his attorney is too professional to let him talk. Not that I object - I'd rather see his case handled properly than know the truth.

[Mercator Terra]

If they're a welfare state because of social security then almost every developed country in the world is a welfare state.

Yes, they are. And?

I still believe your wrong because a welfare state is one with and extensive and elaborate welfare system. The welfare system in Switzerland is really small. Either or im against SS.

[Grave_n_idle]

Well, obviously, every American should be required by law to carry a concealed handgun without a permit so this kind of terrible thing won't happen again.

Ah, parody. They say it's dead, but it keeps popping up.

[South Norwega]

Yes, they are. And?

I still believe your wrong because a welfare state is one with and extensive and elaborate welfare system. The welfare system in Switzerland is really small. Either or im against SS.

It's not small. It's targeted. Everyone is covered by unemployment, disability etcetera if they need it. But there are conditions. Unemployment requires looking for work. Disability is not designed to replace work. It seems to be a well thought out system, and one which other welfare states should think about.

[Mercator Terra]

Well, obviously, every American should be required by law to carry a concealed handgun without a permit so this kind of terrible thing won't happen again.

Or you can just say you cant carry a weapon on public property. Or if you want to you have to get a license.

[Grave_n_idle]

My response to your free-market hijack is off-topic? You don't say?

Hijack? I said this isnt the place to debate that. If you didnt respond we would be having this conversation...

The thread is about the shooting of Giffords, a judge, a child, and some others. Your 'free-market' bullshit is already off-topic, so to suggest this isn't the place for my response is amusing.

[Xsyne]

Yes, they are. And?

I still believe your wrong because a welfare state is one with and extensive and elaborate welfare system. The welfare system in Switzerland is really small. Either or im against SS.

Well, yes, that's one definition. It happens to be the definition used by those opposed to the laissez-faire approach. Was I incorrect in assuming you understood the economic position you say you espouse?