Detroit woman shot and killed for not giving phone number.

[Divitaen]

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_executive_summary-a.pdf
Somewhere on page 4. 1 in 21 men are raped by women by being forced to penetrate a woman. Compare that to 1 in 6 women being raped in their lifetime. The CDC report goes further with a statistic that it's closer to 1 in 5 women.

It's harassment to have someone come up to you and make unsolicited comments about how you look and judging you on your physical appearance. Ask Kirsten Gillibrand, who while working in Congress had congressmen go up to her telling her that they "like my girls chubby" and "you're even pretty when you're fat". I'm sure she is blushing with all her privilege.

It's because of the culture of misandry.
They don't like the compliments because they hate men.
Being found sexually appealing by a man is something to be considered abhorrent and such, because men are evil.

God forbid you just say
"Hey, thanks! I like your hair!" like a reasonable person would.

Or even
"Thanks, but i'm trying to focus on work right now."

It can put a spring in your step to get compliments if you aren't so paranoid and hateful of men about it.

And women get more of those compliments. So they should by all rights be happier and have a better ego. But no, they don't let it happen, because men are icky.

Let me get this straight. You are literally telling me that Kirsten Gillibrand is being whiny and unreasonable, and that when her fellow congressional colleagues judged her for her physical appearance by making unsolicited comments about how they like their girls chubby and that she is pretty when she's fat, rather than write a book about it to highlight workplace harassment and sexism, Kirsten Gillibrand should actually be able and thank her colleagues for being such nice people.

EDIT: happy, not "able"

[Ostroeuropa]

It's because of the culture of misandry.
They don't like the compliments because they hate men.
Being found sexually appealing by a man is something to be considered abhorrent and such, because men are evil.

God forbid you just say
"Hey, thanks! I like your hair!" like a reasonable person would.

Or even
"Thanks, but i'm trying to focus on work right now."

It can put a spring in your step to get compliments if you aren't so paranoid and hateful of men about it.

And women get more of those compliments. So they should by all rights be happier and have a better ego. But no, they don't let it happen, because men are icky.

Let me get this straight. You are literally telling me that Kirsten Gillibrand is being whiny and unreasonable, and that when her fellow congressional colleagues judged her for her physical appearance by making unsolicited comments about how they like their girls chubby and that she is pretty when she's fat, rather than write a book about it to highlight workplace harassment and sexism, Kirsten Gillibrand should actually be able and thank her colleagues for being such nice people.

EDIT: happy, not "able"

Yes. It's how people should respond.
Did her colleagues ONLY take notice of her looks? Because then it's an actual problem. Just taking notice? Needs to get over herself and stop hating men so much and just chill the fuck out and take the ego-boost.

"I think you are sexually desirable."
"As do I."
"Oh my god, you fucking disgusting pigs!"
(Hatred of men based on them having a sexuality and expressing it.)

[Divitaen]

Let me get this straight. You are literally telling me that Kirsten Gillibrand is being whiny and unreasonable, and that when her fellow congressional colleagues judged her for her physical appearance by making unsolicited comments about how they like their girls chubby and that she is pretty when she's fat, rather than write a book about it to highlight workplace harassment and sexism, Kirsten Gillibrand should actually be able and thank her colleagues for being such nice people.

EDIT: happy, not "able"

Yes. It's how people should respond.
Did her colleagues ONLY take notice of her looks? Because then it's an actual problem. Just taking notice? Needs to get over herself and stop hating men so much and just chill the fuck out and take the ego-boost.

"I think you are sexually desirable."
"As do I."
"Oh my god, you fucking disgusting pigs!"
(Hatred of men based on them having a sexuality and expressing it.)

Maybe this is about point of view, but someone coming up to me and commenting about how my ass looks while I'm walking to work would creep the hell out of me. It won't make me happy and I'm not expected to respond positively to an unsolicited and wholly inappropriate "compliment".

[Ostroeuropa]

Yes. It's how people should respond.
Did her colleagues ONLY take notice of her looks? Because then it's an actual problem. Just taking notice? Needs to get over herself and stop hating men so much and just chill the fuck out and take the ego-boost.

"I think you are sexually desirable."
"As do I."
"Oh my god, you fucking disgusting pigs!"
(Hatred of men based on them having a sexuality and expressing it.)

Maybe this is about point of view, but someone coming up to me and commenting about how my ass looks while I'm walking to work would creep the hell out of me. It won't make me happy and I'm not expected to respond positively to an unsolicited and wholly inappropriate "compliment".

YOU think it's inappropriate. Others may not.
What do you want, men to be mind readers?
That seems to be a common demand.

And yes, you are expected to respond positively, because it's a compliment.
It's psychotic to flip your shit over a compliment, and it's why women seem so alien on this topic to most men.
You can respond negatively. That's fine. Just don't blame THEM for YOUR insecurities, when they're just trying to be nice.

You tell someone when they do it once, "hey thanks but don't do that, i kinda don't like compliments. Like your sweater though."
That fixes the problem most of the time. For the ones it doesn't?
Knock yourself out. That's harassment. They shouldn't do it anymore.

The current method of trying to solve this dispute is utterly childish and passive. Women don't have to do anything except demand things of men like a brat. It's getting tiresome that feminists are trying SO HARD to fulfill stereotypes about women.

DONT COMPLIMENT WOMENS ASSES AT WORK!!!!
(Unless they want you to. But you have to read their mind to figure that out. The ones who like it will be sure to respond positively to it in front of you a few times just to really muddy the issue. God forbid WE actually communicate and accept that people won't automatically know our preferences, no, they are here to serve us and they did a bad job, so fuck them, let's rant at the males.)

[Divitaen]

Maybe this is about point of view, but someone coming up to me and commenting about how my ass looks while I'm walking to work would creep the hell out of me. It won't make me happy and I'm not expected to respond positively to an unsolicited and wholly inappropriate "compliment".

YOU think it's inappropriate. Others may not.
What do you want, men to be mind readers?
That seems to be a common demand.

And yes, you are expected to respond positively, because it's a compliment.
It's psychotic to flip your shit over a compliment, and it's why women seem so alien on this topic to most men.
You can respond negatively. That's fine. Just don't blame THEM for YOUR insecurities, when they're just trying to be nice.

You tell someone when they do it once, "hey thanks but don't do that, i kinda don't like compliments. Like your sweater though."
That fixes the problem most of the time. For the ones it doesn't?
Knock yourself out. That's harassment. They shouldn't do it anymore.

The current method of trying to solve this dispute is utterly childish and passive. Women don't have to do anything except demand things of men like a brat. It's getting tiresome that feminists are trying SO HARD to fulfill stereotypes about women.

Are you kidding me? If I'm walking to work, and I'm not in a bar or at a party, how is a sexual comment ever appropriate? It isn't normal to go up to a woman and talk about her ass or her tits or whatever when you're in a public street and she's just walking to work. Period. I don't want men to be mind-readers, just to know that it's creepy to do that and to stop. You can go and hit on girls in a local bar, not out on the street.

I don't have to respond positively to a creepy pickup attempt. If a guy texts a girl over and over again, complimenting her looks and not getting the hint that she doesn't like it, should she have to "appreciate" it and respond positively? Or can she call out the guy for being a creep? It's as simple as that.

What current method are you referring to? Demanding that men not treat women like eye candy and sex objects by coming up to them on a public street talking about wanting to fuck them? Honestly, how hard is it do that?

[Cyrisnia]

Oh my. This is gonna be a fun thread.

[Ostroeuropa]

YOU think it's inappropriate. Others may not.
What do you want, men to be mind readers?
That seems to be a common demand.

And yes, you are expected to respond positively, because it's a compliment.
It's psychotic to flip your shit over a compliment, and it's why women seem so alien on this topic to most men.
You can respond negatively. That's fine. Just don't blame THEM for YOUR insecurities, when they're just trying to be nice.

You tell someone when they do it once, "hey thanks but don't do that, i kinda don't like compliments. Like your sweater though."
That fixes the problem most of the time. For the ones it doesn't?
Knock yourself out. That's harassment. They shouldn't do it anymore.

The current method of trying to solve this dispute is utterly childish and passive. Women don't have to do anything except demand things of men like a brat. It's getting tiresome that feminists are trying SO HARD to fulfill stereotypes about women.

Are you kidding me? If I'm walking to work, and I'm not in a bar or at a party, how is a sexual comment ever appropriate? It isn't normal to go up to a woman and talk about her ass or her tits or whatever when you're in a public street and she's just walking to work. Period. I don't want men to be mind-readers, just to know that it's creepy to do that and to stop. You can go and hit on girls in a local bar, not out on the street.

I don't have to respond positively to a creepy pickup attempt. If a guy texts a girl over and over again, complimenting her looks and not getting the hint that she doesn't like it, should she have to "appreciate" it and respond positively? Or can she call out the guy for being a creep? It's as simple as that.

What current method are you referring to? Demanding that men not treat women like eye candy and sex objects by coming up to them on a public street talking about wanting to fuck them? Honestly, how hard is it do that?

You've never been hit on on public transport? You've never heard of it working out? How is walking any different? Oh. It's different for YOU, not for everyone, and so you think you have a right to rant at people who try it. Like I said. If you girls think you can do a better job at courting, you do it. til then, don't bother complaining, because it's childish and hypocritical.

Doen't expect men to be mind readers, but you use the phrase "Doesn't get the hint." Communicate for fucks suck. It's your own damned fault if you are cryptic and people misread you, zero sympathy. Assuming people can pick up on your cues is absolutely ridiculous, especially when you already know many don't. You are PASSIVE.
STOP IT. Or at least stop complaining to US, about YOU being passive.
Why women do this to themselves is beyond me.

He's a creep because he can't read your mind.
Despite the fact that males and females use subtly different body language to communicate and know their own better than the one of the opposite.
So you have a prejudicial attitude to people who don't speak female, essentially.
Grow up. He isn't being a creep, you are being cryptic and terrible at communication and blaming him for failing to speak your language.
That is anti-male. It's the kind of shit loads of women do, and they need to be called out on it.

It's a compliment. That's all it is. If you can't handle compliments, that's on you. Don't expect others to stop giving them, because some people like and even NEED them.

[Estenia]

We men aren't all so bad, there are bad and good men, that man proved to be bad.

[Divitaen]

Are you kidding me? If I'm walking to work, and I'm not in a bar or at a party, how is a sexual comment ever appropriate? It isn't normal to go up to a woman and talk about her ass or her tits or whatever when you're in a public street and she's just walking to work. Period. I don't want men to be mind-readers, just to know that it's creepy to do that and to stop. You can go and hit on girls in a local bar, not out on the street.

I don't have to respond positively to a creepy pickup attempt. If a guy texts a girl over and over again, complimenting her looks and not getting the hint that she doesn't like it, should she have to "appreciate" it and respond positively? Or can she call out the guy for being a creep? It's as simple as that.

What current method are you referring to? Demanding that men not treat women like eye candy and sex objects by coming up to them on a public street talking about wanting to fuck them? Honestly, how hard is it do that?

You've never been hit on on public transport? You've never heard of it working out? How is walking any different? Oh. It's different for YOU, not for everyone, and so you think you have a right to rant at people who try it. Like I said. If you girls think you can do a better job at courting, you do it. til then, don't bother complaining, because it's childish and hypocritical.

Doen't expect men to be mind readers, but you use the phrase "Doesn't get the hint." Communicate for fucks suck. It's your own damned fault if you are cryptic and people misread you, zero sympathy. Assuming people can pick up on your cues is absolutely ridiculous, especially when you already know many don't. You are PASSIVE.
STOP IT. Or at least stop complaining to US, about YOU being passive.
Why women do this to themselves is beyond me.

He's a creep because he can't read your mind.
Despite the fact that males and females use subtly different body language to communicate and know their own better than the one of the opposite.
So you have a prejudicial attitude to people who don't speak female, essentially.
Grow up. He isn't being a creep, you are being cryptic and terrible at communication and blaming him for failing to speak your language.
That is anti-male. It's the kind of shit loads of women do, and they need to be called out on it.

It's a compliment. That's all it is. If you can't handle compliments, that's on you. Don't expect others to stop giving them, because some people like and even NEED them.

It's not about courting. It's about being extremely inappropriate. I've had comments made of me in public transport and I've seen instances of it happening. It's hella creepy. And no, this isn't a subjective opinion I have. Women feel intimidated and helpless when men size them up in public, look leerily at their tits and their asses, start making sexual comments about wanting to fuck them, and they don't know what to do. Street harassment is a real problem, and sometimes women don't know how to respond because more often than you may think it escalates into molestation, stalking or even assault.

http://madamenoire.com/476864/the-very-real-dangers-of-street-harassment/
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2014/feb/28/women-street-harassment-power-control-violence
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/10/09/3578215/street-harassment-escalates/

Stop telling women it's their fault for not communicating. Clearly you can't just go up to a person in public and make sexual comments. I don't understand how in any situation that can be acceptable. If you go up to a woman and say she has nice tits, get a clue. If you sext her a hundred times and she doesn't reply, take a hint. It's not a failure of communication on the woman's part. It's just a man not understanding boundaries and thinking women are sex objects for him to freely penetrate.

And don't tell women to enjoy it. I'm not sure if you've been street harassed before. It's not exactly a fun experience and I'm not going to enjoy it.

[Scepez]

According to some of these posts, I guess calling our dog "Good boy!" should be illegal cause its animal abuse.

[Laerod]

We men aren't all so bad, there are bad and good men, that man proved to be bad.

Exactly that. There was no way of telling beforehand and it cost the woman her life.

[Laerod]

According to some of these posts, I guess we should also calling our dog "Good boy!" should be illegal cause its animal abuse.

We must remember who the real victims in a shooting of a woman that rejected the advances of a man are: Men who might have a harder time to get a date because of it.

[Republic of Coldwater]

She should've followed Carly Rae Jepsen's advice.

"Humor" aside, I don't know how crazy Detroit has gone, but it has gone way overboard by any standards made by civilized people. Detroit is a show of failed Keynesian policies that have only caused more problems, while it has resulted in its citizens succumbing to such culture and ideas, which in turn results in such terrible things like this. This is also why there should be less, not more gun control in Detroit as criminals are likely to illegally get firearms while law-abiding citizens lack the means to defend themselves, and if they are able to obtain firearms easily, it would help fight the rampant crime in the embattled city.

[Scepez]

According to some of these posts, I guess we should also calling our dog "Good boy!" should be illegal cause its animal abuse.

We must remember who the real victims in a shooting of a woman that rejected the advances of a man are: Men who might have a harder time to get a date because of it.

You know, repeating that won't make it any more right and/or relevant

[Australian rePublic]

An isolated incident does not jsutify misandry

[Ostroeuropa]

You've never been hit on on public transport? You've never heard of it working out? How is walking any different? Oh. It's different for YOU, not for everyone, and so you think you have a right to rant at people who try it. Like I said. If you girls think you can do a better job at courting, you do it. til then, don't bother complaining, because it's childish and hypocritical.

Doen't expect men to be mind readers, but you use the phrase "Doesn't get the hint." Communicate for fucks suck. It's your own damned fault if you are cryptic and people misread you, zero sympathy. Assuming people can pick up on your cues is absolutely ridiculous, especially when you already know many don't. You are PASSIVE.
STOP IT. Or at least stop complaining to US, about YOU being passive.
Why women do this to themselves is beyond me.

He's a creep because he can't read your mind.
Despite the fact that males and females use subtly different body language to communicate and know their own better than the one of the opposite.
So you have a prejudicial attitude to people who don't speak female, essentially.
Grow up. He isn't being a creep, you are being cryptic and terrible at communication and blaming him for failing to speak your language.
That is anti-male. It's the kind of shit loads of women do, and they need to be called out on it.

It's a compliment. That's all it is. If you can't handle compliments, that's on you. Don't expect others to stop giving them, because some people like and even NEED them.

It's not about courting. It's about being extremely inappropriate. I've had comments made of me in public transport and I've seen instances of it happening. It's hella creepy. And no, this isn't a subjective opinion I have. Women feel intimidated and helpless when men size them up in public, look leerily at their tits and their asses, start making sexual comments about wanting to fuck them, and they don't know what to do. Street harassment is a real problem, and sometimes women don't know how to respond because more often than you may think it escalates into molestation, stalking or even assault.

http://madamenoire.com/476864/the-very-real-dangers-of-street-harassment/
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2014/feb/28/women-street-harassment-power-control-violence
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/10/09/3578215/street-harassment-escalates/

Stop telling women it's their fault for not communicating. Clearly you can't just go up to a person in public and make sexual comments. I don't understand how in any situation that can be acceptable. If you go up to a woman and say she has nice tits, get a clue. If you sext her a hundred times and she doesn't reply, take a hint. It's not a failure of communication on the woman's part. It's just a man not understanding boundaries and thinking women are sex objects for him to freely penetrate.

And don't tell women to enjoy it. I'm not sure if you've been street harassed before. It's not exactly a fun experience and I'm not going to enjoy it.

So because the men have sexualities and talk about them, you feel uncomfortable and feel fine judging them about it?
Yeh, that's not prejudiced at all. I've told them what to do they should try doing, but you apparently disagree and instead want to try the same failed technique that men keep telling you is demoralizing and feels alienating.
And like i've said, when it escalates, prosecute.

It is partially womens fault for not communicating. That much is entirely obvious.
How many texts is acceptable? 3 or 4? Well why not text back the first time. God forbid you actually do something and instead sit there passively and expect him to get the hint, even though you know that doesn't always work.
Women die in cars by refusing to leave a burning vehicle, complain men don't drag them out. News at ten.

The thing is?
You totally can approach people and make sexual comments and compliments. You just need to do it in a particular way. It works. You can look at women all you like and they usually wont mind if you are good looking and flash a non-aggressive smile afterward. I know.
Some people are shit at socializing. You pity them for that, you don't rant at them for being creeps and scum.

Because, and heres the kicker, that doesn't teach them how to socialize.

[Laerod]

You know, repeating that won't make it any more right and/or relevant :roll:

It's an observation of what appears to be the teen male persecution complex. Not limited to teen males, mind you.

[The Nihilistic view]

I don't always ask women for their number but when I do I shoot those who refuse............


Seriously what a stupid view put across by the OP.

[Scepez]

You know, repeating that won't make it any more right and/or relevant

It's an observation of what appears to be the teen male persecution complex. Not limited to teen males, mind you.

I'm sorry, the what now?

[Ostroeuropa]

It's an observation of what appears to be the teen male persecution complex. Not limited to teen males, mind you.

I'm sorry, the what now?

Any attempt to acknowledge men as any kind of victim implies you are unsuccessful with women, and that this is a terrible thing for you to be and only occurs to children.
No, this kind of attitude doesn't put pressure on men and stress them out into situations where they go crazy and shoot people if they are consistently degraded by society in this manner, why would you suggest that, are you a virgin?

[Divitaen]

It's not about courting. It's about being extremely inappropriate. I've had comments made of me in public transport and I've seen instances of it happening. It's hella creepy. And no, this isn't a subjective opinion I have. Women feel intimidated and helpless when men size them up in public, look leerily at their tits and their asses, start making sexual comments about wanting to fuck them, and they don't know what to do. Street harassment is a real problem, and sometimes women don't know how to respond because more often than you may think it escalates into molestation, stalking or even assault.

http://madamenoire.com/476864/the-very-real-dangers-of-street-harassment/
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2014/feb/28/women-street-harassment-power-control-violence
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/10/09/3578215/street-harassment-escalates/

Stop telling women it's their fault for not communicating. Clearly you can't just go up to a person in public and make sexual comments. I don't understand how in any situation that can be acceptable. If you go up to a woman and say she has nice tits, get a clue. If you sext her a hundred times and she doesn't reply, take a hint. It's not a failure of communication on the woman's part. It's just a man not understanding boundaries and thinking women are sex objects for him to freely penetrate.

And don't tell women to enjoy it. I'm not sure if you've been street harassed before. It's not exactly a fun experience and I'm not going to enjoy it.

So because the men have sexualities and talk about them, you feel uncomfortable and feel fine judging them about it?
Yeh, that's not prejudiced at all. I've told them what to do they should try doing, but you apparently disagree and instead want to try the same failed technique that men keep telling you is demoralizing and feels alienating.
And like i've said, when it escalates, prosecute.

It is partially womens fault for not communicating. That much is entirely obvious.
How many texts is acceptable? 3 or 4? Well why not text back the first time. God forbid you actually do something and instead sit there passively and expect him to get the hint, even though you know that doesn't always work.
Women die in cars by refusing to leave a burning vehicle, complain men don't drag them out. News at ten.

Men have sexualities, yes. Men may be attracted to women they see on the bus, on the monorail or on the public streets. Fine. You don't have to go overboard and start making the women feel threatened by going up to them and telling them you want to fuck them. All I'm saying is men should know better than to go up to random women on the street and comment on their ass and tits. I don't get the controversy. You can even ask the girl out if you want to, just don't make sexual comments or detailed explanations of how you want to sleep with a woman who hasn't given her consent.

Your analogy of women dying in cars is completely irrelevant. A woman dying in a car has nothing to do with men giving unsolicited sexual comments.

[Shnercropolis]

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/26719319/mass-shooting-kills-mother-of-three-wounds-five-others

Men, whenever you question why we don't tell you why we aren't interested, this is why. Whenever we "lead you on", this is why.

This is why women fear men. This is why we avoid you in the street, in the club, everywhere. Because you might decide to shoot us.

I bet this woman encountered hundreds of unsolicited requests for her phone number over the years. However, it only took one pissed off guy to decide that her refusal warranted the death penalty to end her life, and leave another man without a fiancé, and 3 children without a mother.

So NSG, what say you? Is this yet another example of the way our culture believes men are entitled to women, or is this simply a tragic, crazy once-off.

or maybe, just maybe, that dude was fucking crazy.

One time in my town a gangster(likely on meth or something) shot and killed 6 people after being rejected.

[Scepez]

I'm sorry, the what now?

Any attempt to acknowledge men as any kind of victim implies you are unsuccessful with women, and that this is a terrible thing for you to be and only occurs to children.
No, this kind of attitude doesn't put pressure on men and stress them out into situations where they go crazy and shoot people if they are consistently degraded by society in this manner, why would you suggest that, are you a virgin?

Wait, are you talking about me? Or what?

[Ostroeuropa]

So because the men have sexualities and talk about them, you feel uncomfortable and feel fine judging them about it?
Yeh, that's not prejudiced at all. I've told them what to do they should try doing, but you apparently disagree and instead want to try the same failed technique that men keep telling you is demoralizing and feels alienating.
And like i've said, when it escalates, prosecute.

It is partially womens fault for not communicating. That much is entirely obvious.
How many texts is acceptable? 3 or 4? Well why not text back the first time. God forbid you actually do something and instead sit there passively and expect him to get the hint, even though you know that doesn't always work.
Women die in cars by refusing to leave a burning vehicle, complain men don't drag them out. News at ten.

Men have sexualities, yes. Men may be attracted to women they see on the bus, on the monorail or on the public streets. Fine. You don't have to go overboard and start making the women feel threatened by going up to them and telling them you want to fuck them. All I'm saying is men should know better than to go up to random women on the street and comment on their ass and tits. I don't get the controversy. You can even ask the girl out if you want to, just don't make sexual comments or detailed explanations of how you want to sleep with a woman who hasn't given her consent.

Your analogy of women dying in cars is completely irrelevant. A woman dying in a car has nothing to do with men giving unsolicited sexual comments.

I'll try this once more for you.
It seems obvious
TO YOU
that those things are unacceptable.
Some women disagree. Some women disagree publicly in front of other men. Sometimes those women accept advances.
Expecting men to recognize which woman you are?
Will not work. Stop expecting it and communicate on an individual basis instead of trying to make women a monolith.
What about that is escaping you?
Is it just that you don't want to have to do anything and expect all men to act the way that makes you feel comfortable by knowing it somehow?

[Ostroeuropa]

Any attempt to acknowledge men as any kind of victim implies you are unsuccessful with women, and that this is a terrible thing for you to be and only occurs to children.
No, this kind of attitude doesn't put pressure on men and stress them out into situations where they go crazy and shoot people if they are consistently degraded by society in this manner, why would you suggest that, are you a virgin?

Wait, are you talking about me? Or what?

I'm being sarcastic about the view laerod presented and highlighting the problems it causes.