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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:02 pm

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How so?

A congressman who feels passionate about the defense of the country gets lambasted for that very feeling. It's a foolish thing to attack a man for.

Because a Democrat using Auschwitz as a soapbox would get it just as easy.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:02 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
How so?

A congressman who feels passionate about the defense of the country gets lambasted for that very feeling. It's a foolish thing to attack a man for.

But he was at auschwitz not just saying it out of the blue. It would be like if someone made your birthday party all about themselves. Auschwitz and the holocaust are the reasons why people are upset not because his passion for the defense of the US
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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:03 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
How so?

A congressman who feels passionate about the defense of the country gets lambasted for that very feeling. It's a foolish thing to attack a man for.

Actually no, He got lambasted for making a video about it in Auschwitz. I'm pretty sure if he didn't, most of us wouldn't even know the video existed.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:03 pm

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Northern Davincia wrote:A congressman who feels passionate about the defense of the country gets lambasted for that very feeling. It's a foolish thing to attack a man for.

To clarify, is he using Auschwitz as an example of 'national defense' or an example of what to defend from?

Those have opposite implications.

He was using Auschwitz as an example of what to defend from. That was never ambiguous.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:03 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:A congressman who feels passionate about the defense of the country gets lambasted for that very feeling. It's a foolish thing to attack a man for.

To clarify, is he using Auschwitz as an example of 'national defense' or an example of what to defend from?

Those have opposite implications.

I think neither oddly enough.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:04 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:To clarify, is he using Auschwitz as an example of 'national defense' or an example of what to defend from?

Those have opposite implications.

He was using Auschwitz as an example of what to defend from. That was never ambiguous.

And he could of done that without being in Auschwitz, he didn't have to actually be there.
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Postby Zanera » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:05 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:A congressman who feels passionate about the defense of the country gets lambasted for that very feeling. It's a foolish thing to attack a man for.

Actually no, He got lambasted for making a video about it in Auschwitz. I'm pretty sure if he didn't, most of us wouldn't even know the video existed.


And in a gas chamber.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:05 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:A congressman who feels passionate about the defense of the country gets lambasted for that very feeling. It's a foolish thing to attack a man for.

But he was at auschwitz not just saying it out of the blue. It would be like if someone made your birthday party all about themselves. Auschwitz and the holocaust are the reasons why people are upset not because his passion for the defense of the US


It's basically the political version of when Justin Bieber started showboating at the Anne Frank house.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:06 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
How so?

A congressman who feels passionate about the defense of the country gets lambasted for that very feeling. It's a foolish thing to attack a man for.

He's not getting lambasted for his "passion". He's getting lambasted because he used bloody Auschwitz as a prop for his militarism.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:06 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:A congressman who feels passionate about the defense of the country gets lambasted for that very feeling. It's a foolish thing to attack a man for.

Because a Democrat using Auschwitz as a soapbox would get it just as easy.

Not the point.
Zeinbrad wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:He was using Auschwitz as an example of what to defend from. That was never ambiguous.

And he could of done that without being in Auschwitz

Yes, there are better ways to get the message across. But he wanted to use the location as a demonstration of ultimate evil, something the United States should defend itself from.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:07 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:To clarify, is he using Auschwitz as an example of 'national defense' or an example of what to defend from?

Those have opposite implications.

He was using Auschwitz as an example of what to defend from. That was never ambiguous.

And exactly what was he implying that the American people needed defense from? Seven-decades-old Nazi concentration camps?
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:10 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Because a Democrat using Auschwitz as a soapbox would get it just as easy.

Not the point.
Zeinbrad wrote:And he could of done that without being in Auschwitz

Yes, there are better ways to get the message across. But he wanted to use the location as a demonstration of ultimate evil, something the United States should defend itself from.

It's Auschwitz. European Jews, LGBT people, Romani and political dissenters were murdered en masse there by their own government. What the heck does that have to do with American national defense?

Your excuse makes as little sense as his did.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:10 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Because a Democrat using Auschwitz as a soapbox would get it just as easy.

Not the point.
Zeinbrad wrote:And he could of done that without being in Auschwitz

Yes, there are better ways to get the message across. But he wanted to use the location as a demonstration of ultimate evil, something the United States should defend itself from.

Again, people aren't mad at what he said, they are mad because he decided it was a good idea to use a gas chamber as a stage for himself without consideration of the place. What the fuck does Auschwitz have to do with national defense anyway? If anything, it's more a place discuss of what bigotry and discrimation leads to.

Actually read what people are saying.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:15 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Not the point.

Yes, there are better ways to get the message across. But he wanted to use the location as a demonstration of ultimate evil, something the United States should defend itself from.

Again, people aren't mad at what he said, they are mad because he decided it was a good idea to use a gas chamber as a stage for himself without consideration of the place. What the fuck does Auschwitz have to do with national defense anyway? If anything, it's more a place discuss of what bigotry and discrimation leads to.

Actually read what people are saying.

Not to mention the fact that his entire narrative in the video revolved around American national defense, which has heck all to do with Auschwitz. It's like a Briton using the Trail of Tears to make a point about the need for strong anti-discrimination laws in the United Kingdom. At best, it falls flat. At worst, it's a cynical commodification of someone else's tragedy to be used as a prop for your own political agenda.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:20 pm

Liriena wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Not the point.

Yes, there are better ways to get the message across. But he wanted to use the location as a demonstration of ultimate evil, something the United States should defend itself from.

It's Auschwitz. European Jews, LGBT people, Romani and political dissenters were murdered en masse there by their own government. What the heck does that have to do with American national defense?

Your excuse makes as little sense as his did.

Would you criticize Zionists that use the Holocaust as a justification for Israel's existence? The outcry there seems oddly hushed.
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Northern Davincia wrote:Not the point.

Yes, there are better ways to get the message across. But he wanted to use the location as a demonstration of ultimate evil, something the United States should defend itself from.

Again, people aren't mad at what he said, they are mad because he decided it was a good idea to use a gas chamber as a stage for himself without consideration of the place. What the fuck does Auschwitz have to do with national defense anyway? If anything, it's more a place discuss of what bigotry and discrimation leads to.

Actually read what people are saying.

Many of the victims in Auschwitz were Polish; Poland had significantly poor military capabilities and was unable to defend itself against Nazi Germany. Ergo, from my understanding of the congressman's intentions, a poor national defense can lead to dire consequences for innocent people. He obviously wouldn't want Americans to suffer the same fate.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:22 pm

Myrensis wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Is it archived somewhere?


Well, they didn't actually remove it, they just haven't updated it since a week ago: Dem state officials refuse to cooperate with Trump voter fraud probe.

Didn't, like...on day one Mississippi Secretary of State tell the Trump administration to jump in the gulf of Mexico? So they were full of shit from the get go.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:24 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's Auschwitz. European Jews, LGBT people, Romani and political dissenters were murdered en masse there by their own government. What the heck does that have to do with American national defense?

Your excuse makes as little sense as his did.

Would you criticize Zionists that use the Holocaust as a justification for Israel's existence? The outcry there seems oddly hushed.

Don't deflect. If you can't justify this in its own right, just admit it.

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Zeinbrad wrote:Again, people aren't mad at what he said, they are mad because he decided it was a good idea to use a gas chamber as a stage for himself without consideration of the place. What the fuck does Auschwitz have to do with national defense anyway? If anything, it's more a place discuss of what bigotry and discrimation leads to.

Actually read what people are saying.

Many of the victims in Auschwitz were Polish; Poland had significantly poor military capabilities and was unable to defend itself against Nazi Germany. Ergo, from my understanding of the congressman's intentions, a poor national defense can lead to dire consequences for innocent people. He obviously wouldn't want Americans to suffer the same fate.

So the congressman is an idiot who made this video with the intention of advocating for a military policy that would prevent a hypothetical future German Nazi invasion of the United States?

Really? With a straight face?
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Corrian wrote:
Myrensis wrote:
Well, they didn't actually remove it, they just haven't updated it since a week ago: Dem state officials refuse to cooperate with Trump voter fraud probe.

Didn't, like...on day one Mississippi Secretary of State tell the Trump administration to jump in the gulf of Mexico? So they were full of shit from the get go.

If it doesn't fit the Fox News narrative, it's not real. lrn2fakenews, Corrian. ;3
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A reminder that this guy who is saying that said this

"The free world... all of Christendom... is at war with Islamic horror," Higgins said on his Facebook page. " Not one penny of American treasure should be granted to any nation who harbors these heathen animals. Not a single radicalized Islamic suspect should be granted any measure of quarter. Their intended entry to the American homeland should be summarily denied. Every conceivable measure should be engaged to hunt them down. Hunt them, identity them, and kill them. Kill them all. For the sake of all that is good and righteous. Kill them all."
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Corrian wrote:A reminder that this guy who is saying that said this

"The free world... all of Christendom... is at war with Islamic horror," Higgins said on his Facebook page. " Not one penny of American treasure should be granted to any nation who harbors these heathen animals. Not a single radicalized Islamic suspect should be granted any measure of quarter. Their intended entry to the American homeland should be summarily denied. Every conceivable measure should be engaged to hunt them down. Hunt them, identity them, and kill them. Kill them all. For the sake of all that is good and righteous. Kill them all."

So that was him.

What a piece of scum.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:32 pm

Liriena wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Would you criticize Zionists that use the Holocaust as a justification for Israel's existence? The outcry there seems oddly hushed.

1. Don't deflect. If you can't justify this in its own right, just admit it.

Northern Davincia wrote:Many of the victims in Auschwitz were Polish; Poland had significantly poor military capabilities and was unable to defend itself against Nazi Germany. Ergo, from my understanding of the congressman's intentions, a poor national defense can lead to dire consequences for innocent people. He obviously wouldn't want Americans to suffer the same fate.

2. So the congressman is an idiot who made this video with the intention of advocating for a military policy that would prevent a hypothetical future German Nazi invasion of the United States?

Really? With a straight face?

1. Or you could answer the question.
2. His method of advocacy and fear of an attack are misguided, but they were not malicious.
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Postby Zanera » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:34 pm

Corrian wrote:A reminder that this guy who is saying that said this

"The free world... all of Christendom... is at war with Islamic horror," Higgins said on his Facebook page. " Not one penny of American treasure should be granted to any nation who harbors these heathen animals. Not a single radicalized Islamic suspect should be granted any measure of quarter. Their intended entry to the American homeland should be summarily denied. Every conceivable measure should be engaged to hunt them down. Hunt them, identity them, and kill them. Kill them all. For the sake of all that is good and righteous. Kill them all."


'A spokesman for Higgins' campaign, which runs the Facebook account, said he was referring specifically to terrorists in his post. "Rep. Higgins is referring to terrorists," spokesman Chris Comeaux said in an email. " He's advocating for hunting down and killing all of the terrorists. This is an idea all of America and Britain should be united behind."'

Smells...familiar.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:36 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Liriena wrote:1. Don't deflect. If you can't justify this in its own right, just admit it.


2. So the congressman is an idiot who made this video with the intention of advocating for a military policy that would prevent a hypothetical future German Nazi invasion of the United States?

Really? With a straight face?

1. Or you could answer the question.
2. His method of advocacy and fear of an attack are misguided, but they were not malicious.

1. Your question has nothing to do with this discussion. It's a blatant deflection. It's fallacious. Actually provide a justification that's not "somebody else did it too".
2. Probably not malicious, but definitely stupid, and coming from a man with a history of being a toxic piece of crap.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:44 pm

Liriena wrote:
Corrian wrote:A reminder that this guy who is saying that said this

"The free world... all of Christendom... is at war with Islamic horror," Higgins said on his Facebook page. " Not one penny of American treasure should be granted to any nation who harbors these heathen animals. Not a single radicalized Islamic suspect should be granted any measure of quarter. Their intended entry to the American homeland should be summarily denied. Every conceivable measure should be engaged to hunt them down. Hunt them, identity them, and kill them. Kill them all. For the sake of all that is good and righteous. Kill them all."

So that was him.

What a piece of scum.

Are you against the killing of terrorists?
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:47 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Liriena wrote:So that was him.

What a piece of scum.

Are you against the killing of terrorists?

We can be for killing terrorists and also find a guys way of describing it to sound like he's a literal psychopath.
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