Because a Democrat using Auschwitz as a soapbox would get it just as easy.
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by Gauthier » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:02 pm
by Thermodolia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:02 pm
by Zeinbrad » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:03 pm
by Northern Davincia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:03 pm
Genivaria wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:A congressman who feels passionate about the defense of the country gets lambasted for that very feeling. It's a foolish thing to attack a man for.
To clarify, is he using Auschwitz as an example of 'national defense' or an example of what to defend from?
Those have opposite implications.
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by Thermodolia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:03 pm
Genivaria wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:A congressman who feels passionate about the defense of the country gets lambasted for that very feeling. It's a foolish thing to attack a man for.
To clarify, is he using Auschwitz as an example of 'national defense' or an example of what to defend from?
Those have opposite implications.
by Zeinbrad » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:04 pm
by Zanera » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:05 pm
Zeinbrad wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:A congressman who feels passionate about the defense of the country gets lambasted for that very feeling. It's a foolish thing to attack a man for.
Actually no, He got lambasted for making a video about it in Auschwitz. I'm pretty sure if he didn't, most of us wouldn't even know the video existed.
by Vassenor » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:05 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:A congressman who feels passionate about the defense of the country gets lambasted for that very feeling. It's a foolish thing to attack a man for.
But he was at auschwitz not just saying it out of the blue. It would be like if someone made your birthday party all about themselves. Auschwitz and the holocaust are the reasons why people are upset not because his passion for the defense of the US
by Liriena » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:06 pm
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by Northern Davincia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:06 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Liriena » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:07 pm
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by Liriena » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:10 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Gauthier wrote:Because a Democrat using Auschwitz as a soapbox would get it just as easy.
Not the point.Zeinbrad wrote:And he could of done that without being in Auschwitz
Yes, there are better ways to get the message across. But he wanted to use the location as a demonstration of ultimate evil, something the United States should defend itself from.
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by Zeinbrad » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:10 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Gauthier wrote:Because a Democrat using Auschwitz as a soapbox would get it just as easy.
Not the point.Zeinbrad wrote:And he could of done that without being in Auschwitz
Yes, there are better ways to get the message across. But he wanted to use the location as a demonstration of ultimate evil, something the United States should defend itself from.
by Liriena » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:15 pm
Zeinbrad wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:Not the point.
Yes, there are better ways to get the message across. But he wanted to use the location as a demonstration of ultimate evil, something the United States should defend itself from.
Again, people aren't mad at what he said, they are mad because he decided it was a good idea to use a gas chamber as a stage for himself without consideration of the place. What the fuck does Auschwitz have to do with national defense anyway? If anything, it's more a place discuss of what bigotry and discrimation leads to.
Actually read what people are saying.
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by Northern Davincia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:20 pm
Liriena wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:Not the point.
Yes, there are better ways to get the message across. But he wanted to use the location as a demonstration of ultimate evil, something the United States should defend itself from.
It's Auschwitz. European Jews, LGBT people, Romani and political dissenters were murdered en masse there by their own government. What the heck does that have to do with American national defense?
Your excuse makes as little sense as his did.
Zeinbrad wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:Not the point.
Yes, there are better ways to get the message across. But he wanted to use the location as a demonstration of ultimate evil, something the United States should defend itself from.
Again, people aren't mad at what he said, they are mad because he decided it was a good idea to use a gas chamber as a stage for himself without consideration of the place. What the fuck does Auschwitz have to do with national defense anyway? If anything, it's more a place discuss of what bigotry and discrimation leads to.
Actually read what people are saying.
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Corrian » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:22 pm
Myrensis wrote:The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Is it archived somewhere?
Well, they didn't actually remove it, they just haven't updated it since a week ago: Dem state officials refuse to cooperate with Trump voter fraud probe.
by Liriena » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:24 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Liriena wrote:It's Auschwitz. European Jews, LGBT people, Romani and political dissenters were murdered en masse there by their own government. What the heck does that have to do with American national defense?
Your excuse makes as little sense as his did.
Would you criticize Zionists that use the Holocaust as a justification for Israel's existence? The outcry there seems oddly hushed.
Northern Davincia wrote:Zeinbrad wrote:Again, people aren't mad at what he said, they are mad because he decided it was a good idea to use a gas chamber as a stage for himself without consideration of the place. What the fuck does Auschwitz have to do with national defense anyway? If anything, it's more a place discuss of what bigotry and discrimation leads to.
Actually read what people are saying.
Many of the victims in Auschwitz were Polish; Poland had significantly poor military capabilities and was unable to defend itself against Nazi Germany. Ergo, from my understanding of the congressman's intentions, a poor national defense can lead to dire consequences for innocent people. He obviously wouldn't want Americans to suffer the same fate.
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by Liriena » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:24 pm
Corrian wrote:Myrensis wrote:
Well, they didn't actually remove it, they just haven't updated it since a week ago: Dem state officials refuse to cooperate with Trump voter fraud probe.
Didn't, like...on day one Mississippi Secretary of State tell the Trump administration to jump in the gulf of Mexico? So they were full of shit from the get go.
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by Corrian » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:28 pm
by Liriena » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:30 pm
Corrian wrote:A reminder that this guy who is saying that said this
"The free world... all of Christendom... is at war with Islamic horror," Higgins said on his Facebook page. " Not one penny of American treasure should be granted to any nation who harbors these heathen animals. Not a single radicalized Islamic suspect should be granted any measure of quarter. Their intended entry to the American homeland should be summarily denied. Every conceivable measure should be engaged to hunt them down. Hunt them, identity them, and kill them. Kill them all. For the sake of all that is good and righteous. Kill them all."
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by Northern Davincia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:32 pm
Liriena wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:Would you criticize Zionists that use the Holocaust as a justification for Israel's existence? The outcry there seems oddly hushed.
1. Don't deflect. If you can't justify this in its own right, just admit it.Northern Davincia wrote:Many of the victims in Auschwitz were Polish; Poland had significantly poor military capabilities and was unable to defend itself against Nazi Germany. Ergo, from my understanding of the congressman's intentions, a poor national defense can lead to dire consequences for innocent people. He obviously wouldn't want Americans to suffer the same fate.
2. So the congressman is an idiot who made this video with the intention of advocating for a military policy that would prevent a hypothetical future German Nazi invasion of the United States?
Really? With a straight face?
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Zanera » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:34 pm
Corrian wrote:A reminder that this guy who is saying that said this
"The free world... all of Christendom... is at war with Islamic horror," Higgins said on his Facebook page. " Not one penny of American treasure should be granted to any nation who harbors these heathen animals. Not a single radicalized Islamic suspect should be granted any measure of quarter. Their intended entry to the American homeland should be summarily denied. Every conceivable measure should be engaged to hunt them down. Hunt them, identity them, and kill them. Kill them all. For the sake of all that is good and righteous. Kill them all."
by Liriena » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:36 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Liriena wrote:1. Don't deflect. If you can't justify this in its own right, just admit it.
2. So the congressman is an idiot who made this video with the intention of advocating for a military policy that would prevent a hypothetical future German Nazi invasion of the United States?
Really? With a straight face?
1. Or you could answer the question.
2. His method of advocacy and fear of an attack are misguided, but they were not malicious.
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by Northern Davincia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:44 pm
Liriena wrote:Corrian wrote:A reminder that this guy who is saying that said this
"The free world... all of Christendom... is at war with Islamic horror," Higgins said on his Facebook page. " Not one penny of American treasure should be granted to any nation who harbors these heathen animals. Not a single radicalized Islamic suspect should be granted any measure of quarter. Their intended entry to the American homeland should be summarily denied. Every conceivable measure should be engaged to hunt them down. Hunt them, identity them, and kill them. Kill them all. For the sake of all that is good and righteous. Kill them all."
So that was him.
What a piece of scum.
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
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