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by McWarlordiaTM » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:19 am
by Counter-Enlightenment » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:19 am
The East Marches wrote:Counter-Enlightenment wrote:Daily Reminder: Franco was a traitor to the Falange and the Twenty-Seven Points.
Daily Reminder: The Falange were cucks who sucked at fighting, Franco did them a favor by infusing them with the Carlists.
by The East Marches » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:20 am
Counter-Enlightenment wrote:
Correct. I am not a Falangist, and never declared myself to be one. Simply expressing what Franco was, a double crosser.
by The United Colonies of Earth » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:23 am
The East Marches wrote:The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Inverse Russian Civil War opportunity forever lost... *weeps*
But Spain isn't ruled by murdering assholes anymore. I consider that a plus.
The Spanish Civil War is one of the most interesting sections in history. I do believe that it warrants much more study than the criminally little we give it today.
by The United Colonies of Earth » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:24 am
by The East Marches » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:24 am
by Counter-Enlightenment » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:24 am
The East Marches wrote:Counter-Enlightenment wrote:Correct. I am not a Falangist, and never declared myself to be one. Simply expressing what Franco was, a double crosser.
How was he a double crosser? The Falange had to be under his unified command in war. They willingly merged my friend. They betrayed themselves.
by The East Marches » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:25 am
Counter-Enlightenment wrote:The East Marches wrote:
How was he a double crosser? The Falange had to be under his unified command in war. They willingly merged my friend. They betrayed themselves.
For instance, Point #10 in Twenty-Seven Points states,
"We repudiate the capitalistic system which shows no understanding of the needs of the
people, dehumanises private property, and causes workers to be lumped together in a shapeless,
miserable mass of people who are filled with desperation. Our spiritual and national conception
of life also repudiates Marxism. We shall redirect the impetuousness of those working classes
who today are led astray by Marxism, and we shall seek to bring them into direct participation in
fulfilling the great task of the national state."
When he rose to power, Franco trumpeted that Falangism was all of a sudden perfect with Capitalism.
by The United Colonies of Earth » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:26 am
Counter-Enlightenment wrote:The East Marches wrote:
How was he a double crosser? The Falange had to be under his unified command in war. They willingly merged my friend. They betrayed themselves.
For instance, Point #10 in Twenty-Seven Points states,
"We repudiate the capitalistic system which shows no understanding of the needs of the
people, dehumanises private property, and causes workers to be lumped together in a shapeless,
miserable mass of people who are filled with desperation. Our spiritual and national conception
of life also repudiates Marxism. We shall redirect the impetuousness of those working classes
who today are led astray by Marxism, and we shall seek to bring them into direct participation in
fulfilling the great task of the national state."
When he rose to power, Franco trumpeted that Falangism was all of a sudden perfect with Capitalism.
by The Princes of the Universe » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:27 am
by Wulfenia » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:27 am
The V O I D wrote:The Nazis eventually take over Japan using superior technology and nukes.
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:It's called being a reactionary. No wonder you're unpopular.
by Counter-Enlightenment » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:27 am
The East Marches wrote:Counter-Enlightenment wrote:For instance, Point #10 in Twenty-Seven Points states,
"We repudiate the capitalistic system which shows no understanding of the needs of the
people, dehumanises private property, and causes workers to be lumped together in a shapeless,
miserable mass of people who are filled with desperation. Our spiritual and national conception
of life also repudiates Marxism. We shall redirect the impetuousness of those working classes
who today are led astray by Marxism, and we shall seek to bring them into direct participation in
fulfilling the great task of the national state."
When he rose to power, Franco trumpeted that Falangism was all of a sudden perfect with Capitalism.
The Falangists themselves made the change. Franco's hands are clean.
by Counter-Enlightenment » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:28 am
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Counter-Enlightenment wrote:For instance, Point #10 in Twenty-Seven Points states,
"We repudiate the capitalistic system which shows no understanding of the needs of the
people, dehumanises private property, and causes workers to be lumped together in a shapeless,
miserable mass of people who are filled with desperation. Our spiritual and national conception
of life also repudiates Marxism. We shall redirect the impetuousness of those working classes
who today are led astray by Marxism, and we shall seek to bring them into direct participation in
fulfilling the great task of the national state."
When he rose to power, Franco trumpeted that Falangism was all of a sudden perfect with Capitalism.
He must have profited off it. Or he just found it useful not to turn into a feudalist at least. What kind of economic nonsense were the falangists after? Corporatism?
by Wulfenia » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:29 am
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:It's called being a reactionary. No wonder you're unpopular.
by The East Marches » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:30 am
by The East Marches » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:31 am
by The United Colonies of Earth » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:33 am
by The United Colonies of Earth » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:34 am
by Counter-Enlightenment » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:35 am
by FelrikTheDeleted » Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:37 am
by Wulfenia » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:06 am
The East Marches wrote:Wulfenia wrote:
That's funny, I don't remember Emmanuel saying that when he made Mussolini Prime Minister and the MVSN showed themselves to be the most competent anti-Communist force in Italy.
They really like the Catholic church and hate anything that isn't a monarchy. You should show them the deal with the Pope and approve of the King documents. That ought to get them on your side.
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:It's called being a reactionary. No wonder you're unpopular.
by The East Marches » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:12 am
by The United Colonies of Earth » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:13 am
Counter-Enlightenment wrote:The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Ah. I'm not quite familiar with syndicalism but I did hit Wikipedia for a bit of data. So workers would be organized to manage themselves under the auspices of the state for the greater good?
http://national-revolutionary.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/concept-of-national-syndicalism.html
So radicalized UAW which goes to the Big Three headquarters, smashes the place up, and hacks their bank accounts and steals all their money?National-Syndicalism suggests that the people of the European nations defend themselves through the development of Syndicalist sections into massive economic worker movements. These should take immediate action to expropriate the capitalists. These should also take immediate action to let the workers lead the production and to form peoples communes.
Wait a second.The French revolutionary Syndicalism originated in the reality of the former unions. The theory was later derived from this practice. The former Revolutionary Syndicalism took place as a protest that originated from the bitterness that came from the bourgeoisation of the Socialist movements. It doesn’t wish the conquest of State power, but the complete annihilation of the State and the transfer of administrative functions to the union movement.
So you guys seek out principled reasons for direct economic action. You're too impatient for something indirectly decided. If someone's gonna make the airplanes to bomb the capitalists they'll be the same ones who said to do it. And of course, constantly doing something makes you more habituated to the mindset associated with it. Until it becomes background noise and you do it as a mindless habit.National-Syndicalism seeks out principled reasons for direct economic action and denounces parliamentary action by representatives. It’s not about the “success” of the moment, but about the expropriation of the capitalist class and the liberation of the people and the nation. Immediate action strengthens the spirit of struggle and sacrifice. It strengthens the individual conscience, while leaving it up to the representatives or the trade union bosses who will only let the Dutch people live on in their indifference. The goal is not to make capitalism bearable, but the realisation of a free Nationalist and Socialist nation.
The philosophical basis of National-Syndicalism is the insight that man is influenced by impulses rather than by considerations. National-Syndicalism wishes to organize the movement in such a way that the activity and impulsiveness of personality will find a good feeding ground. It involves the ongoing and irreconcilable struggle against the capitalist system, the capitalist State and its instruments of power.
*subject whiplash* Whoa boy, hang on there!The contrast between federalism and centralism is an “eternal” contrast, which comes back time and time again and in different forms. No community can exist when everything is regulated from one central point. Of course neither centralism, nor the freedom of parts is possible in the extreme consequence. The question is whether you wish control from a central point or whether you wish to maximize the freedom and self-determination as a necessity. We can acknowledge without objection that the autonomy of units comes with a certain danger. But out of centralism comes a bigger and more serious danger. The fundament of federalism is “connection”. So we’re not talking about splintered parts but about an organic whole of cooperating autonomous units within the nation. These units will voluntarily sacrifice a part of their own self-determination.
No person can develop itself without receiving and giving to its people and its nation. Sorel thought us that with centralisation bureaucracy inevitably grows. Any centralisation that goes to far, every opportunist contempt for the self-development of the components, leads to rigidity and conservatism. From this statement we can draw the simple conclusion that who’s a revolutionary, can only be a federalist.
That's a failed effort, because politics is the manipulation of economic units to decide how they'll be organized. Syncretizing them will lead to happy times for the public obviously.National-Syndicalism aims to move the attention from the political terrain to the economic terrain. It wants the socialisation from the basis: a system of distribution from local units, in consultation with the National federation, on the fundament of a production and consumption statistic. As well as the organisation of the production by national industrial federations.
Well. I have no opinion on it being a "warning" that's exactly positive or negative. Seems more like pissed-off workers going off and saying "I'll found my own socialist state! With Unions ruling everyone, blackjack, federalism and hookers! For the good of the nation!"National-Syndicalism is primarily a warning against the bourgeoisation of Nationalism and Socialism. It has brought the spiritual factor of will, the meaning of the psychological element in the Nationalist and Socialist struggle, to the front. National-Syndicalism offers rejuvenation with the elements of impulse, rebellion, desire for freedom, identity and respect for ones people and homeland which is permanently needed.
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