The UK Coalition Government

[Angleter]

I don't think the Europhiles and pro-nuclear demonstrators would protest in large numbers, but you can bet your life that a "Tories vs Humanitarians" battle would've had the righteous-minded masses in uproar- even in this time when foreign aid being ringfenced does raise an eyebrow, Melanie Philips declaring her desire for the closure of DFID on Question Time got her what were probably louder boos than Nick Griffin had got.

The Tories have demonstrated they don't care how many people protest against their cuts (originally wrote cunts, Freudian slip or what?) so why don't they grow a pair and just stop throwing money at corrupt third world cesspits?

Because setting oneself against trade unions and students is one thing; but setting oneself against Oxfam, Save the Children, any number of religious organisations, almost all celebrities, and all the other humanitarians and their then new-found cheerleader Ed Miliband; at the same time as all the other things; would be the political equivalent of committing seppuku with a wasp knife while jumping from Beachy Head after a nice drink of cyanide.

[Equimanthon]

Because setting oneself against trade unions and students is one thing; but setting oneself against Oxfam, Save the Children, any number of religious organisations, almost all celebrities, and all the other humanitarians and their then new-found cheerleader Ed Miliband; at the same time as all the other things; would be the political equivalent of committing seppuku with a wasp knife while jumping from Beachy Head after a nice drink of cyanide.

I suppose. I can always live in hope though.

[Vellosia]

stop throwing money at corrupt third world cesspits?

I actually agree with you in regard to ending foreign aid.

[Angleter]

stop throwing money at corrupt third world cesspits?

I actually agree with you in regard to ending foreign aid.

So do I, for the record. I just see it as completely impractical for the time being.

[Aeronos]

their then new-found cheerleader Ed Miliband; at the same time as all the other things; would be the political equivalent of committing seppuku with a wasp knife while jumping from Beachy Head after a nice drink of cyanide.

I know many Labourites, and I have to say, even they hate Red

[Equimanthon]

I actually agree with you in regard to ending foreign aid.

That's because most Tories have their heads screwed on when it comes to serving the British before the rest of the world. Although having said that our government is still throwing billions at the EU, Pakistan (there's a good joke) and whatnot. Shame really.

[Vellosia]

their then new-found cheerleader Ed Miliband; at the same time as all the other things; would be the political equivalent of committing seppuku with a wasp knife while jumping from Beachy Head after a nice drink of cyanide.

I know many Labourites, and I have to say, even they hate Red

He was the worst choice of leader. A far-left backstabbing slime ball with no principles; David was by far the better choice. But no, Red won the Unions, and that is what counted. David won the Party.

[Equimanthon]

He was the worst choice of leader. A far-left backstabbing slime ball with no principles; David was by far the better choice. But no, Red won the Unions, and that is what counted. David won the Party.

David is more of a scumbag than Ed, he just isn't as much of a Marxist. Neither one of them deserves leadership of any political party, although I have to say Labour deserves them as punishment for being such a dangerous bunch of useless tossers.

[Vellosia]

I actually agree with you in regard to ending foreign aid.

That's because most Tories have their heads screwed on when it comes to serving the British before the rest of the world. Although having said that our government is still throwing billions at the EU, Pakistan (there's a good joke) and whatnot. Shame really.

Very true. So what party do you support?

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

He was the worst choice of leader. A far-left backstabbing slime ball with no principles; David was by far the better choice. But no, Red won the Unions, and that is what counted. David won the Party.

David is more of a scumbag than Ed, he just isn't as much of a Marxist. Neither one of them deserves leadership of any political party, although I have to say Labour deserves them as punishment for being such a dangerous bunch of useless tossers.

Labour deserves the skeleton of Ramsay Macdonald as its leader.

[Vellosia]

David is more of a scumbag than Ed, he just isn't as much of a Marxist. Neither one of them deserves leadership of any political party, although I have to say Labour deserves them as punishment for being such a dangerous bunch of useless tossers.

Labour deserves the skeleton of Ramsay Macdonald as its leader.

At least MacDonald had principles and was even willing to go into coalition with the Tories as he recognised the need to save the country, and put that before politics.

[Equimanthon]

Very true. So what party do you support?

Oooooh, tough one. I've voted, in various different local, general and Euro elections for UKIP, the Lib Dems (that's not happening again in a hurry), Libertas, and the English Democrats. I also went into the Euro election of 2009 with the intention of voting Conservative (SHOCK HORROR) but went for Libertas instead. I think for now I'll stick with the English Democrats for council and general, but UKIP for Euro.

[-St George]

He was the worst choice of leader. A far-left backstabbing slime ball with no principles; David was by far the better choice. But no, Red won the Unions, and that is what counted. David won the Party.

David is more of a scumbag than Ed, he just isn't as much of a Marxist. Neither one of them deserves leadership of any political party, although I have to say Labour deserves them as punishment for being such a dangerous bunch of useless tossers.

Olawd.

Neither of them are Marxist.

And how exactly were Labour a 'bunch of useless tossers'?

You know, they only brought in the minimum wage and freedom of information and various other things.

[Vellosia]

Very true. So what party do you support?

Oooooh, tough one. I've voted, in various different local, general and Euro elections for UKIP, the Lib Dems (that's not happening again in a hurry), Libertas, and the English Democrats. I also went into the Euro election of 2009 with the intention of voting Conservative (SHOCK HORROR) but went for Libertas instead. I think for now I'll stick with the English Democrats for council and general, but UKIP for Euro.

Interesting. I vote Conservative on a local and national level and UKIP on a Euro level.

[Equimanthon]

Interesting. I vote Conservative on a local and national level and UKIP on a Euro level.

I think it's quite interesting, and says a lot, that someone like me, who's relatively left-wing, and someone like you, who's a staunch conservative can both vote for UKIP. A couple of my friends also vote UKIP, at least in Euro election, once a classic stereotypical Tory, the other's a massive left-winger, positively Socialist.

[Vellosia]

Interesting. I vote Conservative on a local and national level and UKIP on a Euro level.

I think it's quite interesting, and says a lot, that someone like me, who's relatively left-wing, and someone like you, who's a staunch conservative can both vote for UKIP. A couple of my friends also vote UKIP, at least in Euro election, once a classic stereotypical Tory, the other's a massive left-winger, positively Socialist.

Rather telling...shows that UKIP, and, by default, dislike of the EU, is more cross-spectrum than one might expect.

[Aeronos]

Oooooh, tough one. I've voted, in various different local, general and Euro elections for UKIP, the Lib Dems (that's not happening again in a hurry), Libertas, and the English Democrats. I also went into the Euro election of 2009 with the intention of voting Conservative (SHOCK HORROR) but went for Libertas instead. I think for now I'll stick with the English Democrats for council and general, but UKIP for Euro.

Interesting. I vote Conservative on a local and national level and UKIP on a Euro level.

I vote Conservative on a local (local Conservative-dominant council does a consistently wonderful job) and Euro level (soft euroskeptic here) and independant or Libdem on a national level. I'm a libertarian, but unfortunately we don't really have a libertarian party in this country. The Libdems usually come closest, as they advocate social libertarianism with a moderated economy, and hence they get my vote. They can stay the hell away from my EU vote though lol.

[-St George]

I think it's quite interesting, and says a lot, that someone like me, who's relatively left-wing, and someone like you, who's a staunch conservative can both vote for UKIP. A couple of my friends also vote UKIP, at least in Euro election, once a classic stereotypical Tory, the other's a massive left-winger, positively Socialist.

Rather telling...shows that UKIP, and, by default, dislike of the EU, is more cross-spectrum than one might expect.

I've never gotten this idea that because UKIP get X amount votes, all those who voted for them dislike the EU, yet when X amount of people vote for the SNP/PC/etc it's due to apathy or to punish the 'Big Three' parties.

[Vellosia]

Rather telling...shows that UKIP, and, by default, dislike of the EU, is more cross-spectrum than one might expect.

I've never gotten this idea that because UKIP get X amount votes, all those who voted for them dislike the EU.

Well, it is their main policy and ideal. So it is sort of understandable to make that presumption.

[Equimanthon]

I've never gotten this idea that because UKIP get X amount votes, all those who voted for them dislike the EU, yet when X amount of people vote for the SNP/PC/etc it's due to apathy or to punish the 'Big Three' parties.

The only reason I've ever given my vote to UKIP is because of their EU and immigration stance...

[Angleter]

Rather telling...shows that UKIP, and, by default, dislike of the EU, is more cross-spectrum than one might expect.

I've never gotten this idea that because UKIP get X amount votes, all those who voted for them dislike the EU, yet when X amount of people vote for the SNP/PC/etc it's due to apathy or to punish the 'Big Three' parties.

Nobody gives two shits about their other policies, hence why they do so well in European elections and not so well in anything else. Scots and Welsh Nats are generally campaigning on how to govern Scotland/Wales, given their autonomy.

[-St George]

I've never gotten this idea that because UKIP get X amount votes, all those who voted for them dislike the EU, yet when X amount of people vote for the SNP/PC/etc it's due to apathy or to punish the 'Big Three' parties.

The only reason I've ever given my vote to UKIP is because of their EU and immigration stance...

It could just be me, tbqh.

At the last (local) elections in my areas, it was 5 Tories standing, 3 Lib Dems, 1 Ind, 1 Labour and 1 UKIP.

And I'll be damned if I was going to vote for the ConDems. So the other three got my votes.

[Belmotin]

The only reason I've ever given my vote to UKIP is because of their EU and immigration stance...

It could just be me, tbqh.

At the last (local) elections in my areas, it was 5 Tories standing, 3 Lib Dems, 1 Ind, 1 Labour and 1 UKIP.

And I'll be damned if I was going to vote for the ConDems. So the other three got my votes.

I think pundits are starting to accept the view that the SNP/PC get votes to punish the big three. In the last Scottish elections, apparently a referendum for Scotland was hidden behind 26 pages of other promises by the SNP.

UKIP say no to Europe, and get elected into the EU as a way of trying to tell the main parties they want out.

[Chumblywumbly]

[Ed Miliband] was the worst choice of leader. A far-left...

Lollers.

David was by far the better choice. But no, Red won the Unions, and that is what counted. David won the Party.

No, DM won the support of most of the Parliamentary party, but that's not how you win a Labour leadership election.

Portraying EM's win as some sort of union stitch-up is ridiculous.

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And how exactly were Labour a 'bunch of useless tossers'?

You know, they only brought in the minimum wage and freedom of information and various other things.

Invasion and occupation of Iraq, foundation hospitals, tuition fees, massive encroachment on civil and political liberties, lax regulation of dodgy financial practices.

The thirteen years of New Labour weren't all bad, but there's some massive no-nos.

[-St George]

It could just be me, tbqh.

At the last (local) elections in my areas, it was 5 Tories standing, 3 Lib Dems, 1 Ind, 1 Labour and 1 UKIP.

And I'll be damned if I was going to vote for the ConDems. So the other three got my votes.

I think pundits are starting to accept the view that the SNP/PC get votes to punish the big three. In the last Scottish elections, apparently a referendum for Scotland was hidden behind 26 pages of other promises by the SNP.

UKIP say no to Europe, and get elected into the EU as a way of trying to tell the main parties they want out.

UKIP, if interviews I've seen with Nigel what'shisface are to be believed, want to try to reform the EU rather than just leave immediately. If they can't reform, then it's leave.