You dont seem to understand what a planned economy is, you are confusing it with a mixed economy.
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by New Hampshyre » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:08 pm
Arilando wrote:In a laissez-faire economy the economy is not developed according to one single plan, so it is not a planned economy because there is no single plan.
by Mercator Terra » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:09 pm
by New Hampshyre » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:09 pm
by Mercator Terra » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:10 pm
by New Hampshyre » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:12 pm
Arilando wrote:What the fuck are you talking about there are no taxes in a planned economy
by Arilando » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:15 pm
New Hampshyre wrote:Arilando wrote:In a laissez-faire economy the economy is not developed according to one single plan, so it is not a planned economy because there is no single plan.
Planning kills innovation, competition, and the constance evolution of the economy. IT sucks, regardless of how "good" the planners are. More importantly, it is inherently tyrannical unless 100% of the people support it.
by New Hampshyre » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:15 pm
Arilando wrote:But you cant force people to invest, or save money, so that could lead to a shortage of investment or a shortage of savings which is=less economic growth.
by Neu Leonstein » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:15 pm
Mercator Terra wrote:Does the government force them to buy the products?
by Arilando » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:19 pm
New Hampshyre wrote:Arilando wrote:But you cant force people to invest, or save money, so that could lead to a shortage of investment or a shortage of savings which is=less economic growth.
You can't force people to build computers and yet they do and they build better and cheaper ones every year. Please learn at least the very most basic fundamentals of economics before you try to say something about it. You're not making any sense.
by Neu Leonstein » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:23 pm
New Hampshyre wrote:Please learn at least the very most basic fundamentals of economics before you try to say something about it. You're not making any sense.
by Arilando » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:25 pm
Neu Leonstein wrote:New Hampshyre wrote:Please learn at least the very most basic fundamentals of economics before you try to say something about it. You're not making any sense.
I don't think he's making any less sense than the other side at the moment...
Maybe the problem is that everyone here knows nothing more than the "very most basic fundamentals of economics", but acts like they know the lot. Which you can't blame anybody for, because that's what you get to see in the media every day: people pretending to know economics, when all they've got is political views.
by Mercator Terra » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:26 pm
Arilando wrote:New Hampshyre wrote:
Planning kills innovation, competition, and the constance evolution of the economy. IT sucks, regardless of how "good" the planners are. More importantly, it is inherently tyrannical unless 100% of the people support it.
Planning does not kill competition, the planning entity could still set up to people to make the best product, and the winning product is than sold to the producers. Planning does not kill inovation either, you could still reward the most hard working, intelligent, and innovative people with a higher wage. And it does the kill the evolution of the economy, there is still gonna be economic progress, investment etc. And i'm a consequentialist, so i dont care if you think it is tyrannical.
by Mercator Terra » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:27 pm
Neu Leonstein wrote:New Hampshyre wrote:Please learn at least the very most basic fundamentals of economics before you try to say something about it. You're not making any sense.
I don't think he's making any less sense than the other side at the moment...
Maybe the problem is that everyone here knows nothing more than the "very most basic fundamentals of economics", but acts like they know the lot. Which you can't blame anybody for, because that's what you get to see in the media every day: people pretending to know economics, when all they've got is political views.
by Arilando » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:28 pm
Mercator Terra wrote:Arilando wrote:Planning does not kill competition, the planning entity could still set up to people to make the best product, and the winning product is than sold to the producers. Planning does not kill inovation either, you could still reward the most hard working, intelligent, and innovative people with a higher wage. And it does the kill the evolution of the economy, there is still gonna be economic progress, investment etc. And i'm a consequentialist, so i dont care if you think it is tyrannical.
I dont think its tyrannical I think your plain stupid. For fucks sake read a book learn what the hell your talking about and stop pulling shit out of your ass.
by Arilando » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:29 pm
Mercator Terra wrote:Neu Leonstein wrote:I don't think he's making any less sense than the other side at the moment...
Maybe the problem is that everyone here knows nothing more than the "very most basic fundamentals of economics", but acts like they know the lot. Which you can't blame anybody for, because that's what you get to see in the media every day: people pretending to know economics, when all they've got is political views.
He doesn't even no basic economics. His logic is contradictory.
by Mercator Terra » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:29 pm
by Mercator Terra » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:30 pm
by New Hampshyre » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:31 pm
Arilando wrote:Planning does not kill competition, the planning entity could still set up to people to make the best product, and the winning product is than sold to the producers.
Arilando wrote:i'm a consequentialist, so i dont care if you think it is tyrannical.
by Arilando » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:32 pm
by Mercator Terra » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:34 pm
Arilando wrote:Mercator Terra wrote:I dont need a counter argument. You havnt stated anything to counter. You have just pulled shit out of your ass that makes no sense.
What? You say that the free market is the best economic model because consumers will buy the best products, but that ignores the other aspects of an economy like saving and investment. And than you say that there are taxes in a planned economy what the fuck?
by Mercator Terra » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:37 pm
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