Capitalism or Socialism: Which is better?

[The Scandinvans]

With government intervention inside of markets, e.g. regulations and subsidies, you have the foundations for corporatism. The government can still exist in a free market acting only as a protector of property rights and maintaining a monopoly on the use of force, in such a society corporations could not physically force people to buy from them or abide by their whims.

There are no such things as corporations in a free market so how can you have corporatism in an unregulated economy? Corporations are state created.

A corporation is recognized by the state a private entity encompassing multiple individuals who each own a portion of the company, and are entitled to its profits, through shares. A corporation can be defined as anything from an association of individuals each holding a share of enterprise to a government agency operating in a limited area.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Orly then how to you logically redistribute goods? Without a market system it is merely guesses.

You ask the consumers.

WHich is what a Capitalist system does. When a person buys a loaf of bread at a price of $1.00 they are telling the bread company that that bread is worth at least $1.00 to them. If you ask the person buying the bread they're going to automatically say that the bread should cost nothing, because then they have a smaller grocery bill so...
Forgive me if I misinterpreted what you were saying, I do that sometimes.

[Arilando]

You ask the consumers.

WHich is what a Capitalist system does. When a person buys a loaf of bread at a price of $1.00 they are telling the bread company that that bread is worth at least $1.00 to them. If you ask the person buying the bread they're going to automatically say that the bread should cost nothing, because then they have a smaller grocery bill so...
Forgive me if I misinterpreted what you were saying, I do that sometimes.

No, i mean the planners of the economy use a poll to ask the consumers what do you expect to use in this weak or what do you want in this weak.

[Mercator Terra]

There are no such things as corporations in a free market so how can you have corporatism in an unregulated economy? Corporations are state created.

A corporation is recognized by the state a private entity encompassing multiple individuals who each own a portion of the company, and are entitled to its profits, through shares. A corporation can be defined as anything from an association of individuals each holding a share of enterprise to a government agency operating in a limited area.

A corporation gets legal subsidies from the government. In an unregulated market that would not happen.

[The Scandinvans]

WHich is what a Capitalist system does. When a person buys a loaf of bread at a price of $1.00 they are telling the bread company that that bread is worth at least $1.00 to them. If you ask the person buying the bread they're going to automatically say that the bread should cost nothing, because then they have a smaller grocery bill so...
Forgive me if I misinterpreted what you were saying, I do that sometimes.

No, i mean the planners of the economy use a poll to ask the consumers what do you expect to use in this weak or what do you want in this weak.

A person does vote for the price of a product when they choose to buy it. Every cent spent is a vote in capitalistic system.

To believe that allowing people to vote in open elections would be the end all would do a great deal of harm to producers as people are generally rational and would always prefer to save the most amount of their money. While people in a free market will go to the lowest priced product so long as the quality does not drop significantly, or if it does the price justifies it.

[The Scandinvans]

A corporation is recognized by the state a private entity encompassing multiple individuals who each own a portion of the company, and are entitled to its profits, through shares. A corporation can be defined as anything from an association of individuals each holding a share of enterprise to a government agency operating in a limited area.

A corporation gets legal subsidies from the government. In an unregulated market that would not happen.

A corporation does not always get subsidies from the government you are basing your argument off the assumption that in order for a corporation to exist it would need government support beyond legal recognition of its existence.

Though to state your second point is correct in its context but not in its intent for as stated above that when a corporation exists one should not presume that its existences in centered around serving/providing the government.

[Mercator Terra]

No, i mean the planners of the economy use a poll to ask the consumers what do you expect to use in this weak or what do you want in this weak.

A person does vote for the price of a product when they choose to buy it. Every cent spent is a vote in capitalistic system.

To believe that allowing people to vote in open elections would be the end all would do a great deal of harm to producers as people are generally rational and would always prefer to save the most amount of their money. While people in a free market will go to the lowest priced product so long as the quality does not drop significantly, or if it does the price justifies it.

But then you have that problem were %49 of the people dont get what they want. In a free market that would not happen.

[Staenwald]

WHich is what a Capitalist system does. When a person buys a loaf of bread at a price of $1.00 they are telling the bread company that that bread is worth at least $1.00 to them. If you ask the person buying the bread they're going to automatically say that the bread should cost nothing, because then they have a smaller grocery bill so...
Forgive me if I misinterpreted what you were saying, I do that sometimes.

No, i mean the planners of the economy use a poll to ask the consumers what do you expect to use in this weak or what do you want in this weak.

Thats far less efficient than a free market. In a poll here in england once, people were asked questions and the overwhelming outcome was - more public services, less taxes. That's not even possible.

[The Scandinvans]

A person does vote for the price of a product when they choose to buy it. Every cent spent is a vote in capitalistic system.

To believe that allowing people to vote in open elections would be the end all would do a great deal of harm to producers as people are generally rational and would always prefer to save the most amount of their money. While people in a free market will go to the lowest priced product so long as the quality does not drop significantly, or if it does the price justifies it.

But then you have that problem were %49 of the people dont get what they want. In a free market that would not happen.

Query. What political/economic perspective are you advocating as you go from planners to a free market?

[The Scandinvans]

No, i mean the planners of the economy use a poll to ask the consumers what do you expect to use in this weak or what do you want in this weak.

Thats far less efficient than a free market. In a poll here in england once, people were asked questions and the overwhelming outcome was - more public services, less taxes. That's not even possible.

People, in the poll, generally like to be idealistic I guess about economic matters.

[Arilando]

No, i mean the planners of the economy use a poll to ask the consumers what do you expect to use in this weak or what do you want in this weak.

A person does vote for the price of a product when they choose to buy it. Every cent spent is a vote in capitalistic system.

To believe that allowing people to vote in open elections would be the end all would do a great deal of harm to producers as people are generally rational and would always prefer to save the most amount of their money. While people in a free market will go to the lowest priced product so long as the quality does not drop significantly, or if it does the price justifies it.

But there may not be enough investment, savings etc. And commercials can mislead consumers.

[Arilando]

No, i mean the planners of the economy use a poll to ask the consumers what do you expect to use in this weak or what do you want in this weak.

Thats far less efficient than a free market. In a poll here in england once, people were asked questions and the overwhelming outcome was - more public services, less taxes. That's not even possible.

What the fuck are you talking about there are no taxes in a planned economy

[Mercator Terra]

Thats far less efficient than a free market. In a poll here in england once, people were asked questions and the overwhelming outcome was - more public services, less taxes. That's not even possible.

What the fuck are you talking about there are no taxes in a planned economy

You must be joking.....

[Mercator Terra]

A person does vote for the price of a product when they choose to buy it. Every cent spent is a vote in capitalistic system.

To believe that allowing people to vote in open elections would be the end all would do a great deal of harm to producers as people are generally rational and would always prefer to save the most amount of their money. While people in a free market will go to the lowest priced product so long as the quality does not drop significantly, or if it does the price justifies it.

But there may not be enough investment, savings etc. And commercials can mislead consumers.

Then you dont buy it. Consumer watchdog groups do this all the time (telling people about faulty products). Are they government run? No. Then why must the government do it?

[Arilando]

But there may not be enough investment, savings etc. And commercials can mislead consumers.

Then you dont buy it. Consumer watchdog groups do this all the time (telling people about faulty products). Are they government run? No. Then why must the government do it?

But you cant force people to invest, or save money, so that could lead to a shortage of investment or a shortage of savings which is=less economic growth.

[Arilando]

What the fuck are you talking about there are no taxes in a planned economy

You must be joking.....

No i'm not joking. When the economy is planned there are no taxes, taxes are pointless in a planned economy.

[Mercator Terra]

Then you dont buy it. Consumer watchdog groups do this all the time (telling people about faulty products). Are they government run? No. Then why must the government do it?

But you cant force people to invest, or save money, so that could lead to a shortage of investment or a shortage of savings which is=less economic growth.

Thats irrelevant. This is also coming from the person who thinks that in a planned economy there is no taxes.

[Mercator Terra]

You must be joking.....

No i'm not joking. When the economy is planned there are no taxes, taxes are pointless in a planned economy.

Kid were are you getting your info? I doubt you have even read any economic books non the less any on a planned economy. Stop here while you have a chance all your doing is spewing bullshit and your just showing how idiotic you are.

[Arilando]

But you cant force people to invest, or save money, so that could lead to a shortage of investment or a shortage of savings which is=less economic growth.

Thats irrelevant. This is also coming from the person who thinks that in a planned economy there is no taxes.

How is it irrelevant? And taxes are pointless in a planned economy because people buy everything from the same entity.

[Mercator Terra]

Thats irrelevant. This is also coming from the person who thinks that in a planned economy there is no taxes.

How is it irrelevant? And taxes are pointless in a planned economy because people buy everything from the same entity.

The government would need taxes to be able to function in a planned economy. We're are they getting their money to run all this from?

[Mercator Terra]

Thats irrelevant. This is also coming from the person who thinks that in a planned economy there is no taxes.

How is it irrelevant? And taxes are pointless in a planned economy because people buy everything from the same entity.

Its irrelevant because we're talking about consumer watchdog groups. People will invest and save. (Well those with at least half a brain) There is no shortage on investments or savings.

[Georgism]

The government would need taxes to be able to function in a planned economy. We're are they getting their money to run all this from?

I assume what he means is that you'd work for the government and in return being allocated your share of the resources.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" or whatever that quote is.

[Arilando]

How is it irrelevant? And taxes are pointless in a planned economy because people buy everything from the same entity.

The government would need taxes to be able to function in a planned economy. We're are they getting their money to run all this from?

From the products the people buy obviously

[New Hampshyre]

we do, a representative democracy, if you don't understand the concept of overlapping definitions then school did fail you or possibly vice versa.

It's not over lapping. In a democracy the people or their representatives are the final say. In a Republic there are checks and balances to prevent anyone from abusing power, and that includes voters.

[Mercator Terra]

The government would need taxes to be able to function in a planned economy. We're are they getting their money to run all this from?

From the products the people buy obviously

Does the government force them to buy the products?