Christian Discussion Thread VIII: Augustine's Revenge.

[Camaalbakrius]

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In all seriousness, i was led to religion a: because of my wonderful parents, and b: because the idea that the world as beautiful as ours not be intelligently created seemed preposterous to me. I couldn't believe in life without purpose

Um...

So you believe that this world is beautiful? Um...

Might I ask as to why?

You misunderstood me. I think the world itself, along with the universe as a whole, is extremely beautiful. I did not mean that I think the world is necessarily a good place. Far from it, in fact. By world I mean the Earth, not the world in general including all of the horrible things that happen.

[Ormata]

Um...

So you believe that this world is beautiful? Um...

Might I ask as to why?

You misunderstood me. I think the world itself, along with the universe as a whole, is extremely beautiful. I did not mean that I think the world is necessarily a good place. Far from it, in fact. By world I mean the Earth, not the world in general including all of the horrible things that happen.

I see. It would be beautiful, if in a barbaric and, well...natural way, if only nature was there.

[Camaalbakrius]

You misunderstood me. I think the world itself, along with the universe as a whole, is extremely beautiful. I did not mean that I think the world is necessarily a good place. Far from it, in fact. By world I mean the Earth, not the world in general including all of the horrible things that happen.

I see. It would be beautiful, if in a barbaric and, well...natural way, if only nature was there.

I'm not saying that we should destroy humanity (Yes, bold claim, but it is difficult to tell what someone is trying to say by their writing alone) or that humanity itself is bad. Humanity is good, but it has fallen into bad ways and thus done bad things, but not necissarily making humanity itself bad and pure nature good.

[Ormata]

I see. It would be beautiful, if in a barbaric and, well...natural way, if only nature was there.

I'm not saying that we should destroy humanity (Yes, bold claim, but it is difficult to tell what someone is trying to say by their writing alone) or that humanity itself is bad. Humanity is good, but it has fallen into bad ways and thus done bad things, but not necissarily making humanity itself bad and pure nature good.

I am not stating that humanity should be destroyed. Humanity is not bad, either; nor is it good. Humanity is primal, with tools rivaling our moral comprehension on how to use them. This is why we are malignant, like a tumor, currently. Humanity, or some portions, does not morally comprehend the use of, say, coal, and what it does. This is why there is so much damage.

[Camaalbakrius]

I'm not saying that we should destroy humanity (Yes, bold claim, but it is difficult to tell what someone is trying to say by their writing alone) or that humanity itself is bad. Humanity is good, but it has fallen into bad ways and thus done bad things, but not necissarily making humanity itself bad and pure nature good.

I am not stating that humanity should be destroyed. Humanity is not bad, either; nor is it good. Humanity is primal, with tools rivaling our moral comprehension on how to use them. This is why we are malignant, like a tumor, currently. Humanity, or some portions, does not morally comprehend the use of, say, coal, and what it does. This is why there is so much damage.

On this, I agree. But one must see the good that is in humanity despite its faults. I'm not saying that you aren't, i'm just building off of your point

[The Smith Protectorate]

Question.

What led you to religion, in general?

It's a reasonable faith, based on eye witness accounts, 1 Corinthians 15:1-18. It makes sense of the world we have; beautifully intricate yet decayed and corrupted. Romans 1:18-21 and Romans 8:21-22. It has the backing evidence.

[Nordengrund]

Question.

What led you to religion, in general?

I was raised in a Christian home, and it stuck.

Well, I was raised Southern Baptist, but lately I have been rejecting all religious labels other than Christian. Partially because I think other labels create division and partially because my beliefs are a mixture of Baptist, Mennonite, Anglican, and Seventh Day Adventist.

[Caliphate of the Netherlands]

Question.

What led you to religion, in general?

As I am born into an atheist/agnostic household I started to become attracted in religion primarily because of history (which I still find very interesting). I started to build historical knowledge of religion (something I still enjoy reading upon). Later on I became interested into the philosophy of life in different religions.

I started to believe when I deducted the big bang theory. It came down that something must have organized, or triggered, the big bang, and I came to the conclusion that this was God. I was a Hermetican for a long time, believing in a God that created but is absent in this world. Later on I became interested in different gnostic and even esoteric religions and mysteries. Eventually I found peace in Islam, which is submission to the one God through the Quran.

That said I believe all religions uphold some truths.

[Camaalbakrius]

Question.

What led you to religion, in general?

As I am born into an atheist/agnostic household I started to become attracted in religion primarily because of history (which I still find very interesting). I started to build historical knowledge of religion (something I still enjoy reading upon). Later on I became interested into the philosophy of life in different religions.

I started to believe when I deducted the big bang theory. It came down that something must have organized, or triggered, the big bang, and I came to the conclusion that this was God. I was a Hermetican for a long time, believing in a God that created but is absent in this world. Later on I became interested in different gnostic and even esoteric religions and mysteries. Eventually I found peace in Islam, which is submission to the one God through the Quran.

That said I believe all religions uphold some truths.

That's interesting. I myself have been quite interested in Philosophy recently. I've been reading Aristotle's Rhetoric, and I have found it most intruiging, and in many ways, very correct in its claims.

[Luminesa]

I'm not saying that we should destroy humanity (Yes, bold claim, but it is difficult to tell what someone is trying to say by their writing alone) or that humanity itself is bad. Humanity is good, but it has fallen into bad ways and thus done bad things, but not necissarily making humanity itself bad and pure nature good.

I am not stating that humanity should be destroyed. Humanity is not bad, either; nor is it good. Humanity is primal, with tools rivaling our moral comprehension on how to use them. This is why we are malignant, like a tumor, currently. Humanity, or some portions, does not morally comprehend the use of, say, coal, and what it does. This is why there is so much damage.

Oh we know what coal does. That's why we're trying to switch from coal to clean energy. China and places such as China are the only places that use it, and that's because they see people has tools and have them work in coal mines in unsafe conditions.

[Camaalbakrius]

I am not stating that humanity should be destroyed. Humanity is not bad, either; nor is it good. Humanity is primal, with tools rivaling our moral comprehension on how to use them. This is why we are malignant, like a tumor, currently. Humanity, or some portions, does not morally comprehend the use of, say, coal, and what it does. This is why there is so much damage.

Oh we know what coal does. That's why we're trying to switch from coal to clean energy. China and places such as China are the only places that use it, and that's because they see people has tools and have them work in coal mines in unsafe conditions.

But until we can find a resource more efficient and perform better than coal or other fossil fuels, then fossil fuels will dominate the market.

[The Smith Protectorate]

As I am born into an atheist/agnostic household I started to become attracted in religion primarily because of history (which I still find very interesting). I started to build historical knowledge of religion (something I still enjoy reading upon). Later on I became interested into the philosophy of life in different religions.

I started to believe when I deducted the big bang theory. It came down that something must have organized, or triggered, the big bang, and I came to the conclusion that this was God. I was a Hermetican for a long time, believing in a God that created but is absent in this world. Later on I became interested in different gnostic and even esoteric religions and mysteries. Eventually I found peace in Islam, which is submission to the one God through the Quran.

That said I believe all religions uphold some truths.

That's interesting. I myself have been quite interested in Philosophy recently. I've been reading Aristotle's Rhetoric, and I have found it most intruiging, and in many ways, very correct in its claims.

And what claims would they be?

[Camaalbakrius]

That's interesting. I myself have been quite interested in Philosophy recently. I've been reading Aristotle's Rhetoric, and I have found it most intruiging, and in many ways, very correct in its claims.

And what claims would they be?

For one, that all things are done by people because they believe it will bring them happiness. He goes on to say that Prudence is being able to discern what will bring you happiness in the future from what will not.

[Luminesa]

Oh we know what coal does. That's why we're trying to switch from coal to clean energy. China and places such as China are the only places that use it, and that's because they see people has tools and have them work in coal mines in unsafe conditions.

But until we can find a resource more efficient and perform better than coal or other fossil fuels, then fossil fuels will dominate the market.

But we know that they're not healthy to use, and that's what's I'm saying.

[Diopolis]

Haha before I posted there were 666 posts. We can't have that.

Does anybody know if it's ok to join Compline with Matins and then to join Lauds with Prime? I know it's more traditional to join Matins and Lauds, but I'd like to do the other if it's ok just for the benefit of helping sleep.

It's fine.

[The Union of the West]

Question.

What lead you to religion, in general?

I don't really know, to be honest.

Same here, really. I would say I was born into it, but my family didn't really go to church when I was younger, so I don't really think that was a major influence.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

Maybe both should be dealt with together...? Economic policies and abortion...? I mean, I agree, the main reason abortion exists as prominently as it does is because our country has so many socioeconomic problems, the biggest one of course being poverty.

Yes, but how do you solve THAT when, as my edit says above, American Christians end up backing Republicans who, by any metric, their policy proposals go AGAINST our interests as Christians and the only thing they use as bait and we end up taking it line, hook, and sinker is the abortion issue?

In America religious majorities are so blinded by the Roe v. Wade overturn promise they fail to consider whether or not the other proposals a candidate has are going to achieve our goals peripherally.

Hell, just look at the Evangelical commission set up by the Trump campaign which contained Michelle Bachmann as well as other prominent hackjobs within the Evangelical community. They were rallying for Evangelicals to rally behind Trump throughout the campaign and they'd have achieved their goals if it wouldn't have been the gaffes Trump made and the media reported, including the hot mic tape.

This issue is not only a catholic issue in America, it's a multi-denominational issue. A presidential candidate publicly espousing abortion is just as bad as a candidate who denounces abortion but his economic policies benefit the rich at the expense of the poor. And yet people cannot tell the similarities most of the time anyways.

exactly. no Christian should be voting Republican. they're largely only pro life so they can get a stranglehold on Christian voters. it's a trick.

[Camaalbakrius]

Yes, but how do you solve THAT when, as my edit says above, American Christians end up backing Republicans who, by any metric, their policy proposals go AGAINST our interests as Christians and the only thing they use as bait and we end up taking it line, hook, and sinker is the abortion issue?

In America religious majorities are so blinded by the Roe v. Wade overturn promise they fail to consider whether or not the other proposals a candidate has are going to achieve our goals peripherally.

Hell, just look at the Evangelical commission set up by the Trump campaign which contained Michelle Bachmann as well as other prominent hackjobs within the Evangelical community. They were rallying for Evangelicals to rally behind Trump throughout the campaign and they'd have achieved their goals if it wouldn't have been the gaffes Trump made and the media reported, including the hot mic tape.

This issue is not only a catholic issue in America, it's a multi-denominational issue. A presidential candidate publicly espousing abortion is just as bad as a candidate who denounces abortion but his economic policies benefit the rich at the expense of the poor. And yet people cannot tell the similarities most of the time anyways.

exactly. no Christian should be voting Republican. they're largely only pro life so they can get a stranglehold on Christian voters. it's a trick.

No Christian should vote Democrat either. The Far left wants government to play a part in your religion and make it so you can't deny services for a gay wedding, for example, if you are a christian. This has happened, and people have been sued for it. There is no correct side in this battle between Democrats and Republicans.

[Salus Maior]

No Christian should vote Democrat either. The Far left wants government to play a part in your religion and make it so you can't deny services for a gay wedding, for example, if you are a christian. This has happened, and people have been sued for it. There is no correct side in this battle between Democrats and Republicans.

Christians should just overthrow the government. Get Const and UMN together and viva all la revolutions. xP

Preferably before this upcoming election.... xP

[Nordengrund]

No Christian should vote Democrat either. The Far left wants government to play a part in your religion and make it so you can't deny services for a gay wedding, for example, if you are a christian. This has happened, and people have been sued for it. There is no correct side in this battle between Democrats and Republicans.

Christians should just overthrow the government. Get Const and UMN together and viva all la revolutions. xP

Preferably before this upcoming election.... xP

Vote Libertarian. They can't do any worse than the two main parties. Or vote for the Constitution Party if you prefer them over Libertarians.

[Diopolis]

So, Jack Chic is dead, and he's both notable and sort of Christian.

[Diopolis]

Christians should just overthrow the government. Get Const and UMN together and viva all la revolutions. xP

Preferably before this upcoming election.... xP

Vote Libertarian. They can't do any worse than the two main parties. Or vote for the Constitution Party if you prefer them over Libertarians.

From a Christian perspective, the libertarians are the worst of both worlds. The Constitutionalists/American Solidarity Party aren't really perfect either, but at least they're demonstrably trying.

[Luminesa]

So, Jack Chic is dead, and he's both notable and sort of Christian.

I pray that he finds peace with God. Rest In Peace.

[Camaalbakrius]

Christians should just overthrow the government. Get Const and UMN together and viva all la revolutions. xP

Preferably before this upcoming election.... xP

Vote Libertarian. They can't do any worse than the two main parties. Or vote for the Constitution Party if you prefer them over Libertarians.

Vote Gary Johnson: "What is Aleppo?"

[Luminesa]

Vote Libertarian. They can't do any worse than the two main parties. Or vote for the Constitution Party if you prefer them over Libertarians.

Vote Gary Johnson: "What is Aleppo?"

But on a philosophical level, Cam...what is Aleppo?