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Postby Nature-Spirits » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:47 pm

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Linux and the X wrote:They accept a voter registration card as ID. I doubt they could tell if it's photoshopped.


Wait a second, Facebook makes you give them PID as a way to change your name?! :blink:

I don't remember that being a thing.

Sort of. If they have reason to suspect that you're not using your real name, then they'll ask for ID, and they may shut down your account.

I'm not surprised that you wouldn't know, though, since trans people are among the only ones who are actually affected by that policy on a regular basis. A cis person can change their name to whatever they want without issue, usually; however, Facebook follows up on reports when a lot of people report a single thing, so if a hundred people report a trans person's name as "not their real name" because they want to be transphobic pieces of shit, then Facebook will ask for ID.

There are a lot of unsavoury things that Facebook does, actually, but I still use it because it's the foundation for most of my social network. I'd lose touch with most of my friends without it.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:50 pm

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Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Wait a second, Facebook makes you give them PID as a way to change your name?! :blink:

I don't remember that being a thing.

Sort of. If they have reason to suspect that you're not using your real name, then they'll ask for ID, and they may shut down your account.

I'm not surprised that you wouldn't know, though, since trans people are among the only ones who are actually affected by that policy on a regular basis. A cis person can change their name to whatever they want without issue, usually; however, Facebook follows up on reports when a lot of people report a single thing, so if a hundred people report a trans person's name as "not their real name" because they want to be transphobic pieces of shit, then Facebook will ask for ID.

There are a lot of unsavoury things that Facebook does, actually, but I still use it because it's the foundation for most of my social network. I'd lose touch with most of my friends without it.


Same. >.<
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:09 pm

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Aphryss wrote:Yeah, trans chasers exist and are creepy AF. But still, focusing on sexual relationships like that felt like he was completely missing the point.

To be frank. I will be completely toxic and rude to a trans chaser.

How toxic are we talking? Like dioxin?
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Postby Socialist Tera » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:06 pm

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Socialist Tera wrote:To be frank. I will be completely toxic and rude to a trans chaser.

How toxic are we talking? Like dioxin?

Like making fun of him. Like twitch chat toxic.

Anyway, I got my first session of laser. I thought it would hurt like it's hell incarnate but it was not that painful.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:52 am

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The Serbian Empire wrote:How toxic are we talking? Like dioxin?

Like making fun of him. Like twitch chat toxic.

Anyway, I got my first session of laser. I thought it would hurt like it's hell incarnate but it was not that painful.

That'd be rubbing alcohol ingestion. :p
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:01 pm

Oh right, finally got the copy of the uni's transgender student support policy thing that my support worker said he'd sent me.

Trying to make heads of it.
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Postby Philjia » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:35 pm

Vassenor wrote:Oh right, finally got the copy of the uni's transgender student support policy thing that my support worker said he'd sent me.

Trying to make heads of it.


Is it, and I'm going to go out on a limb here, mostly marketing bumph and bullshit?
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:37 pm

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Vassenor wrote:Oh right, finally got the copy of the uni's transgender student support policy thing that my support worker said he'd sent me.

Trying to make heads of it.


Is it, and I'm going to go out on a limb here, mostly marketing bumph and bullshit?


I'm not sure.
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Postby Philjia » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:50 pm

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Philjia wrote:
Is it, and I'm going to go out on a limb here, mostly marketing bumph and bullshit?


I'm not sure.


Er, is the name on the sidebar your given name or the person who uploaded this?

Well, basically seems to be:
1. We won't discriminate.
2. Tell us what you're going to do so we can do admin and whatever, to ensure all the staff and students are on the same page, and so we can give you extra support.
3. Explanatory information for the uninitiated about transgender people, and associated laws.

So, much better than I expected. It's nice to have my boundless lack of faith in humanity subverted sometimes.
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:35 pm

I have rediscovered why I usually avoid discussing my love life with cishets.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:40 pm

Nature-Spirits wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Wait a second, Facebook makes you give them PID as a way to change your name?! :blink:

I don't remember that being a thing.

Sort of. If they have reason to suspect that you're not using your real name, then they'll ask for ID, and they may shut down your account.

I'm not surprised that you wouldn't know, though, since trans people are among the only ones who are actually affected by that policy on a regular basis. A cis person can change their name to whatever they want without issue, usually; however, Facebook follows up on reports when a lot of people report a single thing, so if a hundred people report a trans person's name as "not their real name" because they want to be transphobic pieces of shit, then Facebook will ask for ID.

There are a lot of unsavoury things that Facebook does, actually, but I still use it because it's the foundation for most of my social network. I'd lose touch with most of my friends without it.


I'd say that is pretty damn insecure, and a real risk to transgender people's, or in fact, any person's security and identification.

Sure, they might say they encrypt communications, but the encryption is at their end, it's definitely not on your end, and if you use one of the big email providers you're not guaranteed breaches of security won't happen.

This is a real concern, and I wasn't aware of the policy because it is so obscure nobody notices. Most of us go along years using the same account and changing names for privacy reasons. This makes it impossible to hide ourselves from other people. Also, when it comes to transgender people, I can see how that affects you greatly.
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Postby Philjia » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:57 am

Nature-Spirits wrote:I have rediscovered why I usually avoid discussing my love life with cishets.


Intrusive obsession with sexual practices?
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Postby Socialist Tera » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:24 am

Nature-Spirits wrote:I have rediscovered why I usually avoid discussing my love life with cishets.

Some cishets are pricks who go so far as to say they want baby pics. I'm like what the hell. Luckily I'm not straight.
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Postby Republic of Canador » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:28 am

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Nature-Spirits wrote:I have rediscovered why I usually avoid discussing my love life with cishets.

Some cishets are pricks who go so far as to say they want baby pics. I'm like what the hell. Luckily I'm not straight.

Luckily? :eyebrow:
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Postby Socialist Tera » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:41 am

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Socialist Tera wrote:Some cishets are pricks who go so far as to say they want baby pics. I'm like what the hell. Luckily I'm not straight.

Luckily? :eyebrow:

I don't have to put up with the amount of bullshit straight transgirls have to put up with when it comes to relationships and being told they are not real girls.
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Postby Aphryss » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:55 am

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Republic of Canador wrote:Luckily? :eyebrow:

I don't have to put up with the amount of bullshit straight transgirls have to put up with when it comes to relationships and being told they are not real girls.

Cisgender women are less shitty that way than cisgender men, then? Or is it the fact that they're necessarily lesbians that means they're more likely to be not transphobic?
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:57 am

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Nature-Spirits wrote:I have rediscovered why I usually avoid discussing my love life with cishets.


Intrusive obsession with sexual practices?

Among many other things, yes.

Also, apparently I'm not visibly queer enough at work and it isn't totally obvious that I'm a flaming queen. I blame "professionalism", and shall endeavour to remedy this in the future. I'll try some more subtle makeup, beyond my typical foundation. (I'm pretty sure I can get away with it because the guy who hired me is very gay, and my manager is super chill and seems a bit like a metrosexual, although I'm not quite sure what orientation vibes I'm getting from him. Also the company has very inclusive policies. And the people in the cosmetics department like me and I should get them to do my makeup one of these days.)

At least my coworkers seem okay with trans people. Even if they don't understand non-binary stuff at all. (For reference, I disclosed that one of my most recent crushes was on an NB person. I wasn't planning on broaching the subject, but at least I got to gauge some reactions. I don't think I could be out at this workplace, although I think I'd be fine as a trans woman. Once I get on hormones. Which I've been meaning to pursue for months because there's literally nothing stopping me at this point and I don't know why I haven't done it yet.)
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:02 am

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Socialist Tera wrote:I don't have to put up with the amount of bullshit straight transgirls have to put up with when it comes to relationships and being told they are not real girls.

Cisgender women are less shitty that way than cisgender men, then? Or is it the fact that they're necessarily lesbians that means they're more likely to be not transphobic?

IMO, cis men and cis women are shitty in different ways wrt transmisogyny and relationships. Cis men are more likely to beat you up because they're afraid that their attraction to you makes them gay. Cis women are more likely to be TERFs who want to keep that precious gold star of theirs.

Generalisations, of course. Lots of cis people are great, but I've heard too many horror stories.
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Postby Socialist Tera » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:07 am

Nature-Spirits wrote:
Aphryss wrote:Cisgender women are less shitty that way than cisgender men, then? Or is it the fact that they're necessarily lesbians that means they're more likely to be not transphobic?

IMO, cis men and cis women are shitty in different ways wrt transmisogyny and relationships. Cis men are more likely to beat you up because they're afraid that their attraction to you makes them gay. Cis women are more likely to be TERFs who want to keep that precious gold star of theirs.

Generalisations, of course. Lots of cis people are great, but I've heard too many horror stories.

That is why I am planning to take self defense classes. I don't have a huge amount of trust when it comes to other people.
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Postby Imperial Union of America » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:09 am

Socialist Tera wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:IMO, cis men and cis women are shitty in different ways wrt transmisogyny and relationships. Cis men are more likely to beat you up because they're afraid that their attraction to you makes them gay. Cis women are more likely to be TERFs who want to keep that precious gold star of theirs.

Generalisations, of course. Lots of cis people are great, but I've heard too many horror stories.

That is why I am planning to take self defense classes. I don't have a huge amount of trust when it comes to other people.


Have you ever thought of getting a concealed carry license?
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:14 am

Socialist Tera wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:IMO, cis men and cis women are shitty in different ways wrt transmisogyny and relationships. Cis men are more likely to beat you up because they're afraid that their attraction to you makes them gay. Cis women are more likely to be TERFs who want to keep that precious gold star of theirs.

Generalisations, of course. Lots of cis people are great, but I've heard too many horror stories.

That is why I am planning to take self defense classes. I don't have a huge amount of trust when it comes to other people.

I feel that. I'd like to get some sort of self-defence training, too.

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Socialist Tera wrote:That is why I am planning to take self defense classes. I don't have a huge amount of trust when it comes to other people.


Have you ever thought of getting a concealed carry license?

Have you ever thought of countries where people don't generally own guns?
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Postby Imperial Union of America » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:16 am

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Socialist Tera wrote:That is why I am planning to take self defense classes. I don't have a huge amount of trust when it comes to other people.

I feel that. I'd like to get some sort of self-defence training, too.

Imperial Union of America wrote:
Have you ever thought of getting a concealed carry license?

Have you ever thought of countries where people don't generally own guns?


It was just a suggestion. I have no way of knowing where people live.
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:21 am

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Nature-Spirits wrote:I feel that. I'd like to get some sort of self-defence training, too.


Have you ever thought of countries where people don't generally own guns?


It was just a suggestion. I have no way of knowing where people live.

Well, to be fair, I guess it's a reasonable suggestion for Americans.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:38 am

Nature-Spirits wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:That is why I am planning to take self defense classes. I don't have a huge amount of trust when it comes to other people.

I feel that. I'd like to get some sort of self-defence training, too.

Imperial Union of America wrote:
Have you ever thought of getting a concealed carry license?

Have you ever thought of countries where people don't generally own guns?


Unfortunately some people think guns are the only way people can defend themselves. To the point where they think that banning privately owned weapons means that self-defence is illegal.
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Postby Socialist Tera » Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:28 am

Imperial Union of America wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:That is why I am planning to take self defense classes. I don't have a huge amount of trust when it comes to other people.


Have you ever thought of getting a concealed carry license?

Can't. Australia's gun laws only allows me to use it for hunting or for use at a gun range.
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