Turns out Homeopathy does work.

[Dakraam]

It works if you're looking to go on hallucinogenic trips, that's for sure. Assuming this was homeopathy at all.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

It works if you're looking to go on hallucinogenic trips, that's for sure. Assuming this was homeopathy at all.

It wasn't.

[Dumb Ideologies]

These drugs would have to be very powerful to make homeopathy look credible.

[Ifreann]

These drugs would have to be very powerful to make homeopathy look credible.

They were powerful enough to make Germans have fun.

[Xeng He]

Right, but that wasn't diluted. That was full-strength 2C-E. They were either lied to, and took it thinking it was something else, or drugged. Nothing homeopathic happened in this.

Unlikely it was undiluted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-E
2,5-Dimethoxy-4-ethylphenethylamine is a colorless oil. Crystalline forms are obtained as the amine salt by reacting the free base with a mineral acid, typically HCl.

Do you think anyone would unwillingly drink a colorless oil, or eat crystals, without those being diluted? (Unless they all were junkies, that is)

Yes, basically.

[Risottia]

Unlikely it was undiluted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-E
2,5-Dimethoxy-4-ethylphenethylamine is a colorless oil. Crystalline forms are obtained as the amine salt by reacting the free base with a mineral acid, typically HCl.

Do you think anyone would unwillingly drink a colorless oil, or eat crystals, without those being diluted? (Unless they all were junkies, that is)

Please, point out where the article - or any article, in fact, says that the drug was homeopathic. It doesn't, and in fact the authorities have been investigating it as a potential drugging.

Exactly. That's why it was homeopathic. It was diluted to hide it, and we all know how homeopathy claims that greater dilution increases the effects, because of water memory.
They all got overdoses from it, hence, it must have been diluted a lot: of course, if a principle is more concentrated, it is less diluted, hence less effective, which proves that the drugging couldn't have happened if it had been pure.

Really, you should start thinking homeopathically if you want to understand homeopathy!

[Risottia]

Unlikely it was undiluted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C-E
2,5-Dimethoxy-4-ethylphenethylamine is a colorless oil. Crystalline forms are obtained as the amine salt by reacting the free base with a mineral acid, typically HCl.

Do you think anyone would unwillingly drink a colorless oil, or eat crystals, without those being diluted? (Unless they all were junkies, that is)

Yes, basically.

Just because you're unable to tell the difference in odour, density and viscosity of the above liquids without tasting them, doesn't mean that every other human is so "differently perceptive" as you are.

[Benuty]

What do you define as homeopathic? Breathing to manage stress does work, and is scientifically proven to do so, and chewing on willow bark has an asprin like effect

Chewing willow bark works because that is where the active ingredient of Aspirin is found. Chewing willow bark means you are ingesting unrefined aspirin plus a lot of other stuff.
That's like saying eating Papaver Somniferum gives you an "opiate like high". No, eating it just means you are ingesting unrefined opium plus a lot of other stuff.

But I agree this whole thread is badly titled. This is NOT proof that Homeopathy works - it's the opposite.

Good to know you didn't read the very top part of the OP.

Just not the way it is supposed to.

[Benuty]

I'm not sure how the title matches the OP. How was this homeopathy working? Or... did I miss a joke?

Well, it did work. After all, it did have effects. However, the effects were unprecedented and largely negative as a whole.

That's the joke. Benuty, I'm sorry, all I hear are crickets.

Actually all I hear is a diluted version of crickets.

Diluted 130 times to be practical.

[Hurdegaryp]

If they'd told me this was what homeopathy was about I'd have been behind it from the start.

Now you have no choice but to support the pharmaceutical companies, who spoil the fun by mentioning all the possible side effects of their drugs in the disclaimer.

[Internationalist Bastard]

What do you define as homeopathic? Breathing to manage stress does work, and is scientifically proven to do so, and chewing on willow bark has an asprin like effect

Chewing willow bark works because that is where the active ingredient of Aspirin is found. Chewing willow bark means you are ingesting unrefined aspirin plus a lot of other stuff.
That's like saying eating Papaver Somniferum gives you an "opiate like high". No, eating it just means you are ingesting unrefined opium plus a lot of other stuff.

But I agree this whole thread is badly titled. This is NOT proof that Homeopathy works - it's the opposite.

As I said, not everyone has access to medicine.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Look, here's how I'll put my case. In the first world, where medication is common and cheap, it's generally a bad idea to spend money on things that aren't scientifically sound or nesscisarily medicaly proven. But not everyone has that privalege. Would you tell tell someone who's dying and can't get treatment that the thing he's been drinking is fake?

[Ifreann]

Look, here's how I'll put my case. In the first world, where medication is common and cheap, it's generally a bad idea to spend money on things that aren't scientifically sound or nesscisarily medicaly proven. But not everyone has that privalege. Would you tell tell someone who's dying and can't get treatment that the thing he's been drinking is fake?

Yes.

[The Alma Mater]

Look, here's how I'll put my case. In the first world, where medication is common and cheap, it's generally a bad idea to spend money on things that aren't scientifically sound or nesscisarily medicaly proven. But not everyone has that privalege. Would you tell tell someone who's dying and can't get treatment that the thing he's been drinking is fake?

Depends. Is the treatment he is drinking more expensive than regular medicine, and does his faith in it prevent others from seeking real help ?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Look, here's how I'll put my case. In the first world, where medication is common and cheap, it's generally a bad idea to spend money on things that aren't scientifically sound or nesscisarily medicaly proven. But not everyone has that privalege. Would you tell tell someone who's dying and can't get treatment that the thing he's been drinking is fake?

Depends. Is the treatment he is drinking more expensive than regular medicine, and does his faith in it prevent others from seeking real help ?

As in there is literally no access to other medication

[The Alma Mater]

Depends. Is the treatment he is drinking more expensive than regular medicine, and does his faith in it prevent others from seeking real help ?

As in there is literally no access to other medication

While it is certainly possible that there could be no known medication in existence that could help him; it is incredibly unlikely that one lives in a region where homeopathic remedies made by megacorp A are available, but regular medication is not.

Remember: homeopathic remedies can by definition not be made by an old lady in a shed. It requires factories to achieve the dilution and exact magic shaking.

[Grave_n_idle]

Look, here's how I'll put my case. In the first world, where medication is common and cheap, it's generally a bad idea to spend money on things that aren't scientifically sound or nesscisarily medicaly proven. But not everyone has that privalege. Would you tell tell someone who's dying and can't get treatment that the thing he's been drinking is fake?

Tim Minchin said it best... you know what they call alternative medicine that has actually been proved to work?

Medicine.

[Genivaria]

I'm mildly annoyed that these quacks are allowed to call themselves a profession.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Please, point out where the article - or any article, in fact, says that the drug was homeopathic. It doesn't, and in fact the authorities have been investigating it as a potential drugging.

Exactly. That's why it was homeopathic. It was diluted to hide it, and we all know how homeopathy claims that greater dilution increases the effects, because of water memory.
They all got overdoses from it, hence, it must have been diluted a lot: of course, if a principle is more concentrated, it is less diluted, hence less effective, which proves that the drugging couldn't have happened if it had been pure.

Really, you should start thinking homeopathically if you want to understand homeopathy!

S O U R C E
You can't fucking overdose on homeopathic nonsense. You are making negative sense.
Dilution to the point of homeopathic qualities = Can't overdose. Can't even trip.
Pure or nearly pure = Overdose possible and likely.
2C-E is colorless and quite likely the taste and smell are not strong - if there was a station where they served something like punch, it could easily have been poured in undiluted.

[Farnhamia]

Exactly. That's why it was homeopathic. It was diluted to hide it, and we all know how homeopathy claims that greater dilution increases the effects, because of water memory.
They all got overdoses from it, hence, it must have been diluted a lot: of course, if a principle is more concentrated, it is less diluted, hence less effective, which proves that the drugging couldn't have happened if it had been pure.

Really, you should start thinking homeopathically if you want to understand homeopathy!

S O U R C E
You can't fucking overdose on homeopathic nonsense. You are making negative sense.
Dilution to the point of homeopathic qualities = Can't overdose. Can't even trip.
Pure or nearly pure = Overdose possible and likely.
2C-E is colorless and quite likely the taste and smell are not strong - if there was a station where they served something like punch, it could easily have been poured in undiluted.

*checks SAT's sarcasm meter* I think we're going to have to take this into the shop. We'll have a loaner sent over as soon as we can.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

S O U R C E
You can't fucking overdose on homeopathic nonsense. You are making negative sense.
Dilution to the point of homeopathic qualities = Can't overdose. Can't even trip.
Pure or nearly pure = Overdose possible and likely.
2C-E is colorless and quite likely the taste and smell are not strong - if there was a station where they served something like punch, it could easily have been poured in undiluted.

*checks SAT's sarcasm meter* I think we're going to have to take this into the shop. We'll have a loaner sent over as soon as we can.

This is NSG, unless someone uses /sarcasm, it's nigh impossible to tell.

[Sociobiology]

*checks SAT's sarcasm meter* I think we're going to have to take this into the shop. We'll have a loaner sent over as soon as we can.

This is NSG, unless someone uses /sarcasm, it's nigh impossible to tell.

especially when talking about something as nonsensical as homeopathy.

[Grave_n_idle]

This is NSG, unless someone uses /sarcasm, it's nigh impossible to tell.

especially when talking about something as nonsensical as homeopathy.

Now, that's not fair.

In defence of homeopathy, there's only a tiny, tiny amount of nonsense in a huge, huge amount of sense.


Which, unfortunately means it's extremely diluted... and thus a million times stronger.

[The Alexanderians]

Shhhh, no one tell Prussia. He'll freak if he thinks he missed out on a drug trip.

[Napkiraly]

Just not the way it is supposed to.


Information:

Source: The Independent

Opinion:

Well at least this had more results than the time James Randi committed homeopathic suicide using the brand of sleeping pills they had. Either way it kind of sounds like fun except for the whole bad reaction to what they were taking thing. Yet they are homoeopathists so I am surprised they didn't try, and dilute it more before they administered it to themselves. As for the country I am kind of surprised it took place in Germany, but given other in Afro-Eurasia have similar problems I shouldn't be that surprised. Anyway, what say you oh unleavened, and leavened masses of NSG?

I'm not sure how the title matches the OP. How was this homeopathy working? Or... did I miss a joke?

I think the golden ticket is them being able to recover due to getting actual, real medical help rather than their woo.