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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:43 am

I stopped taking you seriously on the third word of your OP, thats... thats a new record, well done.

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Postby Utceforp » Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:00 pm

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Liriena wrote:Given the quality of this particular response, I feel compelled to ask... How old are you?


22/7 years old.

So you're twenty two sevenths of a year old? Let's do some math...

That comes out to a little over three years old. Seems about accurate.
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Postby Rusozak » Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:29 pm

When will these far right people realize that VOLUNTARILY PULLING SOMETHING FROM PRIVATE BUSINESS IS NOT BANNING. We have the same people who say it's a private business's right to deny someone service for who they are who are now saying it's a crime for a private business to remove/stop selling confederate flags. The campaign was to have confederate flags removed from GOVERNMENT PROPERTY, private businesses chose on their own to follow suit.
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Postby Chostea » Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:42 pm

New Frenco Empire wrote:
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No, and that needs to be fixed.

I mean, hell, that is a good point. If some people think it's okay to fly the flag of one of the United States' historical enemies on public property, why not the rest? Let's clutter up the poles with everything from the Union Jack to the Reich Swastika.


Syria and the USSR used to be allies, you can hardly say that about the 3rd Reich.
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Postby Arana » Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:44 pm

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New Frenco Empire wrote:I mean, hell, that is a good point. If some people think it's okay to fly the flag of one of the United States' historical enemies on public property, why not the rest? Let's clutter up the poles with everything from the Union Jack to the Reich Swastika.


Syria and the USSR used to be allies, you can hardly say that about the 3rd Reich.

Well, that's probably because at the time the Third Reich existed, Syria wasn't actually a country, it was just a French mandate, and before that it was part of the Ottoman Empire.

Also, how is that at all relevant to anything at all?
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:06 pm

The Gay Pride flag is not a symbol of hate. Furthermore the Confederate flag is only banned in public places. It's not unreasonable that the flag of a group of people that tried to secede is banned in government places.
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Postby Pandeeria » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:09 pm

Arana wrote:
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Syria and the USSR used to be allies, you can hardly say that about the 3rd Reich.

Well, that's probably because at the time the Third Reich existed, Syria wasn't actually a country, it was just a French mandate, and before that it was part of the Ottoman Empire.

Also, how is that at all relevant to anything at all?


Well actually the Syrian Mandate was allied to Germany. With the creation of Vichy France, the Syrian Mandate was technically allies with Germany.

Of course it was liberated in 1942, but for a time it was allied to Germany.
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Postby Arana » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:10 pm

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Arana wrote:Well, that's probably because at the time the Third Reich existed, Syria wasn't actually a country, it was just a French mandate, and before that it was part of the Ottoman Empire.

Also, how is that at all relevant to anything at all?


Well actually the Syrian Mandate was allied to Germany. With the creation of Vichy France, the Syrian Mandate was technically allies with Germany.

Of course it was liberated in 1942, but for a time it was allied to Germany.

Really? I thought it was still controlled by Free French forces.
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Postby Pandeeria » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:14 pm

Arana wrote:
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Well actually the Syrian Mandate was allied to Germany. With the creation of Vichy France, the Syrian Mandate was technically allies with Germany.

Of course it was liberated in 1942, but for a time it was allied to Germany.

Really? I thought it was still controlled by Free French forces.


It was liberated by Free France in 1942.
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:19 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
22/7 years old.

So you're twenty two sevenths of a year old? Let's do some math...

That comes out to a little over three years old. Seems about accurate.


I never said that was my age. Also, its pi, to two decimal places.
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Postby Ararat Mountain » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:22 pm

I say ban it! ;)
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Postby Chostea » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:23 pm

Arana wrote:
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Syria and the USSR used to be allies, you can hardly say that about the 3rd Reich.

Well, that's probably because at the time the Third Reich existed, Syria wasn't actually a country, it was just a French mandate, and before that it was part of the Ottoman Empire.

Also, how is that at all relevant to anything at all?


I think my sentence was worded poorly. Syria and the USSR used to be allies of the USA.
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Postby Rusozak » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:26 pm

So, setting aside irrelevant history lessons and bad math skills, another point to make is what it's used by and for what purposes. You can't just march around with a Nazi flag because it was and still is used by jew-hating maniacs. It promotes violence and says you support what the Nazis did. Same with the Confederate flag. It was about slavery, just accept it. There were more issues, but it all boiled down to slavery. Since colonial days, north and south were divided over slavery. And for the white privilege homophobes playing the race card, just stop it.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:31 pm

Joe Biggs? Wasn't he a gay porn star?
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Postby Arana » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:37 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Joe Biggs? Wasn't he a gay porn star?

Certainly sounds like he could have been one, if his name is any indication.
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Postby New Ogunquit » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:46 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Joe Biggs? Wasn't he a gay porn star?

I think he quit when his heart was penetrated by Jesus.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:49 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:Joe Biggs? Wasn't he a gay porn star?

I think he quit when his heart was penetrated by Jesus.

He didn't really quit though. He still swallows Jesus regularly in public.
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Postby Ascended Rome » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:52 pm

Rusozak wrote:So, setting aside irrelevant history lessons and bad math skills, another point to make is what it's used by and for what purposes. You can't just march around with a Nazi flag because it was and still is used by jew-hating maniacs. It promotes violence and says you support what the Nazis did. Same with the Confederate flag. It was about slavery, just accept it. There were more issues, but it all boiled down to slavery. Since colonial days, north and south were divided over slavery. And for the white privilege homophobes playing the race card, just stop it.

But you can just march around with the Nazi flag. This is America, a country where you're allowed to express your opinions on subjects irrespective of whether they offend people. You know, like a civilized nation is supposed to behave.
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Postby Divitaen » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:54 pm

Ascended Rome wrote:
Rusozak wrote:So, setting aside irrelevant history lessons and bad math skills, another point to make is what it's used by and for what purposes. You can't just march around with a Nazi flag because it was and still is used by jew-hating maniacs. It promotes violence and says you support what the Nazis did. Same with the Confederate flag. It was about slavery, just accept it. There were more issues, but it all boiled down to slavery. Since colonial days, north and south were divided over slavery. And for the white privilege homophobes playing the race card, just stop it.

But you can just march around with the Nazi flag. This is America, a country where you're allowed to express your opinions on subjects irrespective of whether they offend people. You know, like a civilized nation is supposed to behave.


Yes, but no one flies the Nazi flag over government buildings, and the Confederate flag shouldn't get the same privilege.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:57 pm

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New Ogunquit wrote:I think he quit when his heart was penetrated by Jesus.

He didn't really quit though. He still swallows Jesus regularly in public.


And he communes. A lot.
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Postby Ascended Rome » Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:12 pm

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Ascended Rome wrote:But you can just march around with the Nazi flag. This is America, a country where you're allowed to express your opinions on subjects irrespective of whether they offend people. You know, like a civilized nation is supposed to behave.


Yes, but no one flies the Nazi flag over government buildings, and the Confederate flag shouldn't get the same privilege.

Yes, because flying the flags of nonexistent nations over government buildings not owned by those nations makes no sense, not because those things are offensive. You're not going to see the Byzantine Flag flown over any government buildings either. It's not because the Byzantine Flag is "offensive to muslims", it's because Byzantium doesn't exist anymore.
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Postby Divitaen » Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:14 pm

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Yes, but no one flies the Nazi flag over government buildings, and the Confederate flag shouldn't get the same privilege.

Yes, because flying the flags of nonexistent nations over government buildings not owned by those nations makes no sense, not because those things are offensive. You're not going to see the Byzantine Flag flown over any government buildings either. It's not because the Byzantine Flag is "offensive to muslims", it's because Byzantium doesn't exist anymore.


If a constituency or town in Germany voted to have the Nazi flag fly over their government building, would you consider that offensive?

The Confederate flag is clearly offensive. Its a symbol of racism and slavery.
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Postby Ascended Rome » Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:22 pm

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Ascended Rome wrote:Yes, because flying the flags of nonexistent nations over government buildings not owned by those nations makes no sense, not because those things are offensive. You're not going to see the Byzantine Flag flown over any government buildings either. It's not because the Byzantine Flag is "offensive to muslims", it's because Byzantium doesn't exist anymore.


If a constituency or town in Germany voted to have the Nazi flag fly over their government building, would you consider that offensive?

The Confederate flag is clearly offensive. Its a symbol of racism and slavery.

Well one, Nazi symbols are illegal in Germany, so that wouldn't happen. Two, it wouldn't make sense, because the Nazi Reich no longer exists. Three, no, because I'm not an infant and I don't get upset by looking at symbols of things I don't like. I have bigger problems in my life than someone expressing their opinions.

If it's so offensive then how come there are pictures of southern blacks wearing or waving the Confederate Flag?
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Postby Divitaen » Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:25 pm

Ascended Rome wrote:
Divitaen wrote:
If a constituency or town in Germany voted to have the Nazi flag fly over their government building, would you consider that offensive?

The Confederate flag is clearly offensive. Its a symbol of racism and slavery.

Well one, Nazi symbols are illegal in Germany, so that wouldn't happen. Two, it wouldn't make sense, because the Nazi Reich no longer exists. Three, no, because I'm not an infant and I don't get upset by looking at symbols of things I don't like. I have bigger problems in my life than someone expressing their opinions.

If it's so offensive then how come there are pictures of southern blacks wearing or waving the Confederate Flag?
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I know there are black people who use it or wave it, and I've heard their explanation that its about "Southern Pride" but just because they don't find it offensive doesn't mean other African-Americans don't find it offensive.
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Postby Oneracon » Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:25 pm

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Ascended Rome wrote:Yes, because flying the flags of nonexistent nations over government buildings not owned by those nations makes no sense, not because those things are offensive. You're not going to see the Byzantine Flag flown over any government buildings either. It's not because the Byzantine Flag is "offensive to muslims", it's because Byzantium doesn't exist anymore.


If a constituency or town in Germany voted to have the Nazi flag fly over their government building, would you consider that offensive?

The Confederate flag is clearly offensive. Its a symbol of racism and slavery.

In another interesting contrast, displaying Nazi symbolism in pretty much any context in Germany would get the BFV to drop down on you like a ton of bricks. The Confederate flag... not so much.
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