is free trade capitalism the only ethical path to developmen

[Imperial Valaran]

Don't those "legitimate cartels" perform mass-murder, gang wars, death threats, and various other horrible acts?

Yes they defend the people against the communists right?

I suppose one can't be commie if one is shot to pieces in acts of random violence.


aka, mission accomplished.

[Mirakai]

Don't those "legitimate cartels" perform mass-murder, gang wars, death threats, and various other horrible acts?

Yes they defend the people against the communists right?

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[Imperial Northern States]

Don't those "legitimate cartels" perform mass-murder, gang wars, death threats, and various other horrible acts?

Yes they defend the people against the communists right?

Well, no. Quick question, you are aware that communists aren't mysterious evil mega-monsters hell bent on the destruction of everything, right?

[Aggicificicerous]

You mean unless you're forcing countries to take your shipments of addictive and harmful drugs. That's the ethical thing.

No individual was forced to buy. The govt was forcing them not to even though they wanted to.

You cannot take the ethical high ground while justifying the military subjugation of a country just so you can sell them drugs that would kill thousands and ruin the lives of thousands, or even millions of lives.

Now if the govt hadnt been such a tyranny they might not have had to ban the opium because happy people don't buy drugs in the first place.

This is just nonsensical.

[Imperial Valaran]

Yes they defend the people against the communists right?

Well, no. Quick question, you are aware that communists aren't mysterious evil mega-monsters hell bent on the destruction of everything, right?

Commie, Kaiju, its all the same really.

We still need the Jaeger program against both, so we can punch them in the face to kickass freedom music.

[Terminus Alpha]

You mean unless you're forcing countries to take your shipments of addictive and harmful drugs. That's the ethical thing.

No individual was forced to buy. The govt was forcing them not to even though they wanted to. Now if the govt hadnt been such a tyranny they might not have had to ban the opium because happy people don't buy drugs in the first place.

Opium addiction became as serious problem around the time of the Opium Wars and the government was in the right to ban the sale.

The Brits didn't like their profits being under-cut, and proceeded to force China to "open" it's ports.

[Kubra]

Nope the only path is full communism

[Knokkeheist]

Nope the only path is full communism

Which fails to work.

[Caracasus]

Soooo..... we support acts which, if conducted by a state would be considered war crimes because it stops communists, who are evil?

That's some incredibly impressive mental gymnastics right there. Mind you, it's hardly the worst I've seen in NS summer. Hell, forum 7 might as well be the mental gymnastics Olympics sometimes.

[Kubra]

Nope the only path is full communism

Which fails to work.

only because the cheka didn't work hard enough

[Jute]

Nope the only path is full communism

Which fails to work.

Well, it did work in Spain for some time until they were invaded

[Imperial Northern States]

Which fails to work.

Well, it did work in Spain for some time until they were invaded

Although that was mostly rub by anarchists and socialists rather than Communists

[MERIZoC]

Don't those "legitimate cartels" perform mass-murder, gang wars, death threats, and various other horrible acts?

Yes they defend the people against the communists right?

Viva Pinochet!

[MERIZoC]

Well, it did work in Spain for some time until they were invaded

Although that was mostly rub by anarchists and socialists rather than Communists

One can be an anarchist, a socialist, and a communist all at the same time. Case in point, me.

[Imperial Northern States]

Although that was mostly rub by anarchists and socialists rather than Communists

One can be an anarchist, a socialist, and a communist all at the same time. Case in point, me.

If you don't mind me asking, purely from curiosity and as an anarchist myself, how? Isn't the whole point of anarchy to have no centralised government, and Communism has an end goal of a centralised government.

[Eol Sha]

One can be an anarchist, a socialist, and a communist all at the same time. Case in point, me.

If you don't mind me asking, purely from curiosity and as an anarchist myself, how? Isn't the whole point of anarchy to have no centralised government, and Communism has an end goal of a centralised government.

Its my observation that anarchists want to abolish the state, not necessarily all government.

[Nerotysia]

If you don't mind me asking, purely from curiosity and as an anarchist myself, how? Isn't the whole point of anarchy to have no centralised government, and Communism has an end goal of a centralised government.

Nah, the end goal of communism is a stateless, classless society.

[Imperial Northern States]

If you don't mind me asking, purely from curiosity and as an anarchist myself, how? Isn't the whole point of anarchy to have no centralised government, and Communism has an end goal of a centralised government.

Nah, the end goal of communism is a stateless, classless society.

My mistake, thank you. I should be more aware of the difference between Communism and Stalinism/Fascism

[MERIZoC]

Nah, the end goal of communism is a stateless, classless society.

My mistake, thank you. I should be more aware of the difference between Communism and Stalinism/Fascism

No problem.
Here's some helpful "reading".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

[Aurum Reich]

No individual was forced to buy. The govt was forcing them not to even though they wanted to. Now if the govt hadnt been such a tyranny they might not have had to ban the opium because happy people don't buy drugs in the first place.

Opium addiction became as serious problem around the time of the Opium Wars and the government was in the right to ban the sale.

The Brits didn't like their profits being under-cut, and proceeded to force China to "open" it's ports.

And why did they get addicted? Because they chose to buy. Its their fault for making that choice not the british.

[Greater Istanistan]

Nope the only path is full communism

Which fails to work.

I have yet to see your Reaganite dreams work out for the poor. Or ethnic minorities. Or the Earth's long-term survival. Or anyone but rich people - and even then said rich people are going downhill and the richest of the rich people are going up too.

Forcing foreign countries to open their markets so you can offload your goods at extremely cheap prices is kind of imperialism and the opposite of the kind of freedom you want.

Even if I accepted your premise of what liberty is (and I don't - it's flawed), forcing people to be "free" is inherently oppression, so your freedom doesn't seem to hold up.

In short?

Gr8 b8 m8.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

Opium addiction became as serious problem around the time of the Opium Wars and the government was in the right to ban the sale.

The Brits didn't like their profits being under-cut, and proceeded to force China to "open" it's ports.

And why did they get addicted? Because they chose to buy. Its their fault for making that choice not the british.

Even though you may be able to justify the British forcing China to open their ports, you cannot justify the fact that the British, instead of trying to negotiate with the Qing Dynasty, invaded it outright and then pillaged, burned, and looted everything they could find. The sheer amount of war crimes that the soldiers committed in their process of "liberation" removes any so-called "higher moral ground" (as a previous person approximately said) that you can claim for the UK on the subject of the Opium Wars.

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

Which fails to work.

I have yet to see your Reaganite dreams work out for the poor. Or ethnic minorities. Or the Earth's long-term survival. Or anyone but rich people - and even then said rich people are going downhill and the richest of the rich people are going up too.

Forcing foreign countries to open their markets so you can offload your goods at extremely cheap prices is kind of imperialism and the opposite of the kind of freedom you want.

Even if I accepted your premise of what liberty is (and I don't - it's flawed), forcing people to be "free" is inherently oppression, so your freedom doesn't seem to hold up.

In short?

Gr8 b8 m8.

Dude.... you're on the wrong side of the debate here. Go to some other Communist thread instead, where you can bash Capitalism in peace.

[Threlizdun]

I'm sorry what are we talking about here?

How barriers to free trade are bad, unless you're embargoing communists. What this has to do with ethical paths to developmen is a mystery for the ages.

Also that the Chinese deserved to be slaughtered until they accepted the freedom and drugs the west was forcing on them, don't forget about that.

[Mirakai]

Opium addiction became as serious problem around the time of the Opium Wars and the government was in the right to ban the sale.

The Brits didn't like their profits being under-cut, and proceeded to force China to "open" it's ports.

And why did they get addicted? Because they chose to buy. Its their fault for making that choice not the british.

It's The British's fault for exploiting the addicted Chinese to get the money they needed to buy China's tea