Personal submission to a God who is a psychopath and misogynist. Even if he were real, he does not deserve worship.
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by Bharataland » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:46 pm
by Esternial » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:48 pm
Kotta Telangana wrote:"In Paradise there is a pavilion made of a single hollow pearl sixty miles wide, [b]in each corner of which there are wives who will not see those in the other corners;
by The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:48 pm
by Islamic Republic e Jariri » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:49 pm
by Bharataland » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:50 pm
by The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:54 pm
by Islamic Republic e Jariri » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:59 pm
by Farnhamia » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:01 pm
Bharataland wrote:Commonwealth of Hank the Cat wrote:Just because a bunch of sick depraved rapists and pedophiles decided to call themselves "Islamic" and they together formed the "Islamic" "State" of Iraq and the Levant doesn't mean that they represent all of actual Islam, which is inherently peaceful.
In Arabic, "peace" and "submission" are known by the same word. Islam is a religion of submission, not of "peace" as the civilized world understands it.
by Carbon based lifeforms » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:03 pm
Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:Carbon based lifeforms wrote:But if it is so open to interpretation, what is the value of the Quran? If you can interprete the text in ways that are so completely different, what does it even tell you? If everyone can just see in it what he wants to see, then it tells you nothing about God. It's just a mirror for your own ideas.
You do realize that this also isn't unique to Islam - its the reason why almost all major faiths of the world can be divided into sects. How many forms of Hinduism are there? Countless? Christianity? We have Catholics and Protestants, then we have other groups and sub-branches (do Mormons count?). Same goes with Buddhism - you see a fundamental aspect of all such religions is that beyond just being religions, they are also philosophies at their core.
by Islamic Republic e Jariri » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:11 pm
by The Black Forrest » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:15 pm
It's a minority. Criticizing "bad Muslims" is not Islamophobia.
You're not exactly making any effort yourself with making it clear that you know mainstream Muslims don't support extremism, you're simply criticizing the extremist interpretations of Islam and pretty much making it look like extremist Islam is mainstream Islam, which it isn't.
*snip* The broken quote tree.....
The problems of Islamophobia can be rooted to the legacy of 9/11 - you're not getting the bigger picture, its not about equating Isamophobia with slavery, its people's outlook. African Americans were stigmatized - they were mocked and degraded for their skin color and made to feel ashamed of it - and people were apathetic to this because this hatred was perfectly acceptable in their society.
The media only portrays the extremists out there, no one cares about showing ordinary peaceful Muslim citizens and they make people's outlook of Islam focus on the extremist interpretations
like you so very sadly are, whilst completely omitting the truth that most of us are in fact very moderate but we're being associated with extremism because you see Islam as extremist so it doesn't matter if moderate Muslims exist because to you the religion itself is fundamentally extremist, never mind the fact that its not as simple as you must wish it to be, Islam is not fundamentally extremist, its about belief in one monotheistic god and just about everything else about it varies according to interpretation, yet you're fixated on this one singular minority interpretation, the extremist interpretation and you want this to be the default interpretation but you fail to realize that there is no default interpretation to begin with, its all bound to the political climate and local culture.
The KKK was once involved in many violent crimes. Has the EDL done anything like lynching?
Oh yes, lets all love the KKK in this alternate reality where they never lynched or used physical violence - they still promoted unjustified persecution against African-Americans, Hispanics, Catholics, Jews and Divorced Wives, and guess what - they were very influential in their time even without lynching - they were still a major threat to the safety and dignity of this racial, religious and social groups.
And you think without lynching the KKK wouldn't be as important as it was? Wrong - and the EDL can be just as major of a threat.
Now will Muslims have to go through decades of silent persecution with the mainstream population gradually being poisoned to believe their faith is pure savagery? The true savages are obviously the bigots who pretend to conduct in-depth research before firing off about how sick, perverted, brutal and backwards Islam is - their agenda is so clear - take down the faith in the process its peaceful followers will also suffer from the stigma - in time they will be responsible for people being ashamed of being Muslim - just as how Blacks were made to think they were an inferior race half a century ago.
You keep making the mistake that Islam needs to change to adapt to the modern world - what you fail to realize time and time again is that you don't know what you're talking about - no seriously, what do you mean when you say 'Islam'?
I assume you're talking about those extremist groups in the middle east - or are you talking about Twelver Islam? Or Ismaili Islam? Or Quranist Islam? Or Ibadi Islam? Or European Islam? Which version do you want to adapt to the modern world - who knows, some versions might already do so, others don't, but you make the mistake of thinking all interpretations are essentially the same when their not - so next time when you say Islam needs to change, just which version of Islam are you talking about exactly?
I'm a cynic by nature - I said all of NSG was Islamophobic because that's what it emotionally felt like - but I also hoped to get a reaction refuting this statement, an experiment to see if there were in fact any non-bigoted individuals on NSG whose only agenda wasn't demonizing Islam without realizing where both sides come from (though really in fact there are far more than just 2 sides - Islam is a far more complex issue than you seem to realize).
by Aryavartha » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:20 pm
by Imperializt Russia » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:23 pm
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Gauthier » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:25 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:Literally all of those arguments can be applied to Christianity and other religions.
by The Wolven League » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:37 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Great Jiisakiiwigaan wrote:
You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that:
1) I actually care about my nations being deleted.
2) I actually have an iota of respect for the moderators on this forum.
Carry on deleting imaginary property to compensate for your lack of masculinity.
I heard on good authority that Farnhamia has no desire to compensate for lack of masculinity.
by Benuty » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:40 pm
by The Wolven League » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:41 pm
by Benuty » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:44 pm
by Xinxian » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:44 pm
Kotta Telangana wrote:Ibn Warraq, a famous pro-secular, ex-Muslim author,once described the Islamic "heaven" (jannah) as a cosmic brothel full of women for the exclusive use of "pious" men. I thought he was exaggerating at first, but after being exposed to Islamic scriptures (the Quran and the hadiths), it seems that this is actually a fairly accurate portrayal of what the Islamic "God" offers its believers.
Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] said, "In Paradise there is a pavilion made of a single hollow pearl sixty miles wide, in each corner of which there are wives who will not see those in the other corners; and the believers will visit and enjoy them. And there are two gardens, the utensils and contents of which are made of silver; and two other gardens, the utensils and contents of which are made of so-and-so (i.e. gold) and nothing will prevent the people staying in the Garden of Eden from seeing their Lord except the curtain of Majesty over His Face."
Link: http://www.sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_6_60.php
Allah promises to give his devout believers the women with the "most desirable vaginas" as well as eternal erections for the "pious" men. He also says that all unbeliever women in hell will be available for sexual usage by "pious" Muslim men:
Abu ‘Umama reported that Allah’s Messenger (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) said: "There is no one whom Allah will admit to Paradise but Allah will marry him to seventy-two wives, two from houris and seventy from his inheritance from the people of Hell, all of whom will have desirable front passages (vaginas) and he will have a male member that never becomes flaccid (i.e., soft and limp)."
Link: http://sunnah.com/urn/1294400
Quran 55:56 mentions virgins in paradise, for the use of men. Allah ensures that his "rewards" for the faithful are untouched by man or jinni:
"In them [celestial gardens] are women limiting [their] glances, untouched before them by man or jinni - "
Link: http://quran.com/55
Muhammad is quite explicit in describing the "celestial rewards" that Allah promises the faithful.
The Prophet said: “A houri is a most beautiful young woman with a transparent body. The marrow of her bones is visible like the interior lines of pearls and rubies. She looks like red wine in a white glass. She is of white color, and free from the routine physical disabilities of an ordinary woman such as menstruation, menopause, urinal and offal discharge, child bearing and the related pollution. A houri is a girl of tender age, having large breasts which are round (pointed), and not inclined to dangle. Houris dwell in palaces of splendid surroundings."
Link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/4851927/Qualities-and-Attributes-of-Hoors-Hoor-al-ayn-Houris-of-Jannah-Paradise#scribd
It is clear that these celestial "women" are nothing more than semen receptacles for the use of "pious" men. Muhammad himself states these beings do not undergo menstruation or menopause as real women do, nor do they urinate, defecate, bear children, or indeed, seem to have any purpose in existing except to satisfy the sexual fantasies of "pious" Muslim men. They are nothing more than sex objects for the exclusive use of Muslim men.
However, what I am interested in is what the Muslim women get in paradise. Muhammad seems to relish describing in detail the celestial rewards that his male followers will receive, but what will Muslim women get?
by Sam Hyde » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:44 pm
Redsection wrote:Idk if your an racist , but you are funny in an weird way.
WCJNSTBH wrote:Sam Hyde is the least racist motherfucker in this thread.
Confederate Ramenia wrote:This is when he showed the world that he was based; that he was not a cuck; that he is not a degenerate. This will be a crucial moment and I want to preserve this.
Byzantium Imperial wrote:You sir are a legend
by Gauthier » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:45 pm
by Sam Hyde » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:49 pm
Redsection wrote:Idk if your an racist , but you are funny in an weird way.
WCJNSTBH wrote:Sam Hyde is the least racist motherfucker in this thread.
Confederate Ramenia wrote:This is when he showed the world that he was based; that he was not a cuck; that he is not a degenerate. This will be a crucial moment and I want to preserve this.
Byzantium Imperial wrote:You sir are a legend
by The Wolven League » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:50 pm
Benuty wrote:The Wolven League wrote:Don't forget the spiteful nature spirits who are still pissed at the Mongols' conversion to Islam.
Ahh my old friend Tengri the real father of the sky. Contrary to the edgy cuts delivered by those who keep accusing the Christian deity of being a magical sky fairy.
I ought to slap every one of their faces for that wholesale ruin of a well deserved title.
by Neo Lagos » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:58 pm
Why don't people stop talking about Christianity and actually discuss the topic at hand? You can make your own topic about the immorality of Christianity if you wish.
If a religion promises to give its male followers infidel women from hell as virtual sex slaves, can we conclude that this is an immoral religion?
Also, no one has answered by query as to what pious Muslim women get in the afterlife. Allah promises Muslim men eternal erections and some virgins with pleasant vaginas, but these obviously do not apply to Muslim women.
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