The real face of the European Union.

[Empire of Zeeland]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LycuReWpAE

I have just seen this documentary about the increasing power of the EU.

The EU wants to that all nember states become one nation under control of EU. This will mean that we will lose our independence which we fought for centuries.
The EU is the biggest scam in human history.

Before the Netherlands had the Euro everyone was about twice as cheap.

The EU can force us to cut spending and if we don't do that we have to billions in fines.

To be fair the EU has done some good things should as the common market.

In my opinion we should leave the euro and turn the EU in just a economic union not a political.

NSG, Your opinions?

[Nilla Wayfarers]

What a source... also, your post screams blog.

[Bombadil]

So you're going to really have to summarise the actual scam here - as far as I can tell, having kindly spent 15 minutes before I got tired of the lack of a point, it's a case of the dirty Europeans trying to do down Britain and strip it of it's glorious history and power.

That is, the entire purpose of the EU is to put Britain in its place - is that right? Is there any more?

[Thermodolia]

YouTube as a source? Really? That's like me posting a link to a porn site as a source for a paper that says porn is great.

[Empire of Zeeland]

So you're going to really have to summarise the actual scam here - as far as I can tell, having kindly spent 15 minutes before I got tired of the lack of a point, it's a case of the dirty Europeans trying to do down Britain and strip it of it's glorious history and power.

That is, the entire purpose of the EU is to put Britain in its place - is that right? Is there any more?

Yes there is much more. The european nationstates we will lose all our independence and freedom. The EU commision who make laws for the entire EU are not even elected. The EU parliament can only vote for and agains the laws. In my opinion it's a dictatorship by unelected and unaccountable EU commision.

[Empire of Zeeland]

YouTube as a source? Really? That's like me posting a link to a porn site as a source for a paper that says porn is great.

Why should I use a other source? That comparisson is really silly.

[Luziyca]

So you're going to really have to summarise the actual scam here - as far as I can tell, having kindly spent 15 minutes before I got tired of the lack of a point, it's a case of the dirty Europeans trying to do down Britain and strip it of it's glorious history and power.

That is, the entire purpose of the EU is to put Britain in its place - is that right? Is there any more?

Yes there is much more. The european nationstates we will lose all our independence and freedom.

[citation needed]

Any source besides a Youtube video?

[Thermodolia]

So you're going to really have to summarise the actual scam here - as far as I can tell, having kindly spent 15 minutes before I got tired of the lack of a point, it's a case of the dirty Europeans trying to do down Britain and strip it of it's glorious history and power.

That is, the entire purpose of the EU is to put Britain in its place - is that right? Is there any more?

Yes there is much more. The european nationstates we will lose all our independence and freedom.

And you got all of this from YouTube. Bud, I hate to break it to ya but YouTube videos are uploaded by some untrustworthy people.

[Trotskylvania]

So you're going to really have to summarise the actual scam here - as far as I can tell, having kindly spent 15 minutes before I got tired of the lack of a point, it's a case of the dirty Europeans trying to do down Britain and strip it of it's glorious history and power.

That is, the entire purpose of the EU is to put Britain in its place - is that right? Is there any more?

Yes there is much more. The european nationstates we will lose all our independence and freedom.

The whole idea of the EU is based on the idea of European citizens being able to travel from state to state, free from passports and most standard border restrictions.

That's pretty much the sine qua none of an open society.

[Thermodolia]

YouTube as a source? Really? That's like me posting a link to a porn site as a source for a paper that says porn is great.

Why should I use a other source? That comparisson is really silly.

Because anyone can upload a video to YouTube no matter how untrue.

[Luziyca]

YouTube as a source? Really? That's like me posting a link to a porn site as a source for a paper that says porn is great.

Why should I use a other source? That comparisson is really silly.

Because using a reputable news source like The Onion, or FOX News, gives a more accurate view. I can upload a ton of bullshit on there and try and pass it off as proof that "hurr durr, horse shit will ruin everything," but at the end of the day, it is still bullshit, no matter how much I try and pass it off as horseshit. At least with The Onion or FOX News, you can get more accurate information, unlike a Youtube video.

Or satire. Can't tell which is which anymore.

[Empire of Zeeland]

Yes there is much more. The european nationstates we will lose all our independence and freedom.

The whole idea of the EU is based on the idea of European citizens being able to travel from state to state, free from passports and most standard border restrictions.

That's pretty much the sine qua none of an open society.

That freedom of movement leads to Eastern Europeans taking our jobs because they accept lower wages.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

The EU can force us to cut spending and if we don't do that we have to billions in fine.

Hold on a second, don't you support the Pauls, who want spending cuts? Why is it such a problem then if the EU is the one to do it?

[Thermodolia]

The whole idea of the EU is based on the idea of European citizens being able to travel from state to state, free from passports and most standard border restrictions.

That's pretty much the sine qua none of an open society.

That freedom of movement leads to Eastern Europeans taking our jobs because they accept lower wages.

Maybe that's because the Eastern Europeans actually want to work and the amount they are being currently paid probably seems like a lot to them.

[Empire of Zeeland]

Why should I use a other source? That comparisson is really silly.

Because using a reputable news source like The Onion, or FOX News, gives a more accurate view. I can upload a ton of bullshit on there and try and pass it off as proof that "hurr durr, horse shit will ruin everything," but at the end of the day, it is still bullshit, no matter how much I try and pass it off as horseshit. At least with The Onion or FOX News, you can get more accurate information, unlike a Youtube video.

Or satire. Can't tell which is which anymore.

Unfortunately I have no other sources.

I can post a source about Geert Wilders the leader of the biggest anti EU party in the Netherlands.
If you want it.

[Trotskylvania]

The whole idea of the EU is based on the idea of European citizens being able to travel from state to state, free from passports and most standard border restrictions.

That's pretty much the sine qua none of an open society.

That freedom of movement leads to Eastern Europeans taking our jobs because they accept lower wages.

Maybe temporarily.

But free movement of capital and labor ensures that disparities in development will reduce. Capital investment in cheap labor zones will drive up wages there, and the free flow of goods will ensure that the benefits are more broadly distributed.

[Empire of Zeeland]

The EU can force us to cut spending and if we don't do that we have to billions in fine.

Hold on a second, don't you support the Pauls, who want spending cuts? Why is it such a problem then if the EU is the one to do it?

I support the Pauls but I don't want to cut spending just because we are just above the 3% gdp deficit. I want to do in a sensible way without causing another recession.

[Aurinsula]

The whole idea of the EU is based on the idea of European citizens being able to travel from state to state, free from passports and most standard border restrictions.

That's pretty much the sine qua none of an open society.

That freedom of movement leads to Eastern Europeans taking our jobs because they accept lower wages.

These Poles and all are as good of men as you; if you can't compete with them, if they can do the same job for less pay, then why shouldn't they take your job?

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

So you're going to really have to summarise the actual scam here - as far as I can tell, having kindly spent 15 minutes before I got tired of the lack of a point, it's a case of the dirty Europeans trying to do down Britain and strip it of it's glorious history and power.

That is, the entire purpose of the EU is to put Britain in its place - is that right? Is there any more?

Yes there is much more. The european nationstates we will lose all our independence and freedom. The EU commision who make laws for the entire EU are not even elected. The EU parliament can only vote for and agains the laws. In my opinion it's a dictatorship by unelected and unaccountable EU commision.

Yeah, the Commission isn't elected, it's appointed by the member states (and then subjected to a vote of approval by Parliament). I totally agree that we shouldn't allow the member states to have that right. Take it away. Oh wait, but then the EU is taking away your country's freedumz!!!!! 111

[Wolfmanne]

OP summarise that 43:09, else I have to dismiss your claims and will be unable to refute them due to a lack of an actual argument.

[Empire of Zeeland]

That freedom of movement leads to Eastern Europeans taking our jobs because they accept lower wages.

Maybe temporarily.

But free movement of capital and labor ensures that disparities in development will reduce. Capital investment in cheap labor zones will drive up wages there, and the free flow of goods will ensure that the benefits are more broadly distributed.

No because the companies that hire eastern european workers use loopholes to let them work for the minumum wage in for example Poland which is a lot lower than in the Netherlands. This means lower educated people will lose jobs because they can't afford their rent and other things for such low wages.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

Hold on a second, don't you support the Pauls, who want spending cuts? Why is it such a problem then if the EU is the one to do it?

I support the Pauls but I don't want to cut spending just because we are just above the 3% gdp deficit. I want to do in a sensible way without causing another recession.

> support Pauls
> wants "sensible" spending cuts
lolz

[Neutraligon]

Yes there is much more. The european nationstates we will lose all our independence and freedom.

The whole idea of the EU is based on the idea of European citizens being able to travel from state to state, free from passports and most standard border restrictions.

That's pretty much the sine qua none of an open society.

Seems to me a bit like the Articles of confederation, only more unified. Thing is the articles failed.

[Empire of Zeeland]

That freedom of movement leads to Eastern Europeans taking our jobs because they accept lower wages.

These Poles and all are as good of men as you; if you can't compete with them, if they can do the same job for less pay, then why shouldn't they take your job?

Because it would mean that i lose my job and lose a lot of income.
We have many unemployed people in the Netherlands they should get the jobs first not foreigners.

[Empire of Zeeland]

I support the Pauls but I don't want to cut spending just because we are just above the 3% gdp deficit. I want to do in a sensible way without causing another recession.

> support Pauls
> wants "sensible" spending cuts
lolz

I support lowering the defecit to 0%.
I would do it by actually cutting spending instead of increasing taxes which harm the economy.