Are the IRA Heroes?

[Benian Republic]

Gandhi was a hero. Betty Williams, Mairead Corrigan, they are heroes.

The PIRA? Not so much.

Violence was the only tool in the Irish arsenal that ever made the British enter talks with U.S.

[Marcurix]

Gandhi was a hero. Betty Williams, Mairead Corrigan, they are heroes.

The PIRA? Not so much.

Violence was the only tool in the Irish arsenal that ever made the British enter talks with U.S.

It was never the only tool.

The kind of action taken by the people I listed takes a special kind of courage, one the civil right marchers of the 60's possessed. It wouldn't have been easy, it wouldn't have been immediate, but it would have brought the British government to the table, as happened in India.

Violence only brought people to the table when both sides saw it wasn't getting anyone anywhere. But that took 30 odd years and thousands of deaths, and the people that suffered the most were the poor innocent sods caught in the middle.

Really you can attempt to use any justification you want, but it won't change the fact that the PIRA and other such groups became just as bad as what they said they were fighting against.

[Benian Republic]

Violence was the only tool in the Irish arsenal that ever made the British enter talks with U.S.

It was never the only tool.

The kind of action taken by the people I listed takes a special kind of courage, one the civil right marchers of the 60's possessed. It wouldn't have been easy, it wouldn't have been immediate, but it would have brought the British government to the table, as happened in India.

Violence only brought people to the table when both sides saw it wasn't getting anyone anywhere. But that took 30 odd years and thousands of deaths, and the people that suffered the most were the poor innocent sods caught in the middle.

Really you can attempt to use any justification you want, but it won't change the fact that the PIRA and other such groups became just as bad as what they said they were fighting against.

They were afraid if hand I actually died on a hunger strike mass uprisings would happen.

I don't think they were as bad since they were killing what was seen as an invader. And i honestly don't care what it takes to reunite my country.

Plus you shouldn't ever enter the negotiating table with an occupier, you must only enter armed resistance.

[Conserative Morality]

Not really. Once NI voted to remain with the UK, they became just a bunch of irredentist terrorists.

[Ardoki]

Violence was the only tool in the Irish arsenal that ever made the British enter talks with U.S.

It was never the only tool.

The kind of action taken by the people I listed takes a special kind of courage, one the civil right marchers of the 60's possessed. It wouldn't have been easy, it wouldn't have been immediate, but it would have brought the British government to the table, as happened in India.

Violence only brought people to the table when both sides saw it wasn't getting anyone anywhere. But that took 30 odd years and thousands of deaths, and the people that suffered the most were the poor innocent sods caught in the middle.

Really you can attempt to use any justification you want, but it won't change the fact that the PIRA and other such groups became just as bad as what they said they were fighting against.

They were not allowed to protest, whenever they attempted to they were met with state violence (e.g. Bloody Sunday).

The reason the British gave India independence is because they didn't want the more radical elements seizing power (who were pro-Soviet). They knew they couldn't hold onto it for much longer, so they gave power to the moderate INC.

[Benian Republic]

I WON! Neo-Hellenic is gone!

[Ardoki]

I WON! Neo-Hellenic is gone!

How did he go?

[Benian Republic]

I WON! Neo-Hellenic is gone!

How did he go?

He was deleted on the Malvinas/Falklands page.

[Ardoki]

How did he go?

He was deleted on the Malvinas/Falklands page.

Okay.

Thanks.

[Marcurix]

It was never the only tool.

The kind of action taken by the people I listed takes a special kind of courage, one the civil right marchers of the 60's possessed. It wouldn't have been easy, it wouldn't have been immediate, but it would have brought the British government to the table, as happened in India.

Violence only brought people to the table when both sides saw it wasn't getting anyone anywhere. But that took 30 odd years and thousands of deaths, and the people that suffered the most were the poor innocent sods caught in the middle.

Really you can attempt to use any justification you want, but it won't change the fact that the PIRA and other such groups became just as bad as what they said they were fighting against.

They were afraid if hand I actually died on a hunger strike mass uprisings would happen.

I don't think they were as bad since they were killing what was seen as an invader. And i honestly don't care what it takes to reunite my country.

Of course you don't, because you don't understand war, and you don't grasp the cost.

Makes it pretty easy for you to say things like that.

[Benian Republic]

Funeral of Volunteer Neo-Hellenic Republic

[Benian Republic]

They were afraid if hand I actually died on a hunger strike mass uprisings would happen.

I don't think they were as bad since they were killing what was seen as an invader. And i honestly don't care what it takes to reunite my country.

Of course you don't, because you don't understand war, and you don't grasp the cost.

Makes it pretty easy for you to say things like that.

I understand war is bloody and a bad thing but sometimes it must happen.

No it doesn't id willingly die for my country.

[Ardoki]

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Funeral of Volunteer Neo-Hellenic Greek Republic

He doesn't doesn't deserve that. He was a racist, and harmed Irish Republicanism and Nationalism.

[Benian Republic]

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Funeral of Volunteer Neo-Hellenic Greek Republic

He doesn't doesn't deserve that. He was a racist, and harmed Irish Republicanism and Nationalism.

Still, There aren't many other radical nationalists like me.

[Ikania]

Enough!

This isn't a gloating thread. Back on topic, please.

/notamod

[Benian Republic]

Enough!

This isn't a gloating thread. Back on topic, please.

/notamod

Is someone gloating?

[Ikania]

Enough!

This isn't a gloating thread. Back on topic, please.

/notamod

Is someone gloating?

This has turned into a celebration of NHR's deletion.

[Benian Republic]

Is someone gloating?

This has turned into a celebration of NHR's deletion.

Did you like him?

Anyways your probably right and ill stop.

[Marcurix]

They were not allowed to protest, whenever they attempted to they were met with state violence (e.g. Bloody Sunday).

Incorrect. The marches were allowed to protest, and did, even as they were met by counter-protests, I'll use the march to Dungannon as my example.

Bloody Sunday was one hell of a fuck up, that shouldn't have happened, but not a ordered to suppress the march, the soldiers were there to reroute it.

The reason the British gave India independence is because they didn't want the more radical elements seizing power (who were pro-Soviet). They knew they couldn't hold onto it for much longer, so they gave power to the moderate INC.

This is a broad simplification of a movement that benefited from the civil disobedience that stretched back decades before the event, I'll go into more detail later as its near three in the morning at this point.

[Alyakia]

They were not allowed to protest, whenever they attempted to they were met with state violence (e.g. Bloody Sunday).

Incorrect. The marches were allowed to protest, and did, even as they were met by counter-protests, I'll use the march to Dungannon as my example.

Bloody Sunday was one hell of a fuck up, that shouldn't have happened, but not a ordered to suppress the march, the soldiers were there to reroute it.

The reason the British gave India independence is because they didn't want the more radical elements seizing power (who were pro-Soviet). They knew they couldn't hold onto it for much longer, so they gave power to the moderate INC.

This is a broad simplification of a movement that benefited from the civil disobedience that stretched back decades before the event, I'll go into more detail later as its near three in the morning at this point.

but it's almost 4 tho

you're either very very tired or have a misconfigured system/clock

just sayin

[Marcurix]

Incorrect. The marches were allowed to protest, and did, even as they were met by counter-protests, I'll use the march to Dungannon as my example.

Bloody Sunday was one hell of a fuck up, that shouldn't have happened, but not a ordered to suppress the march, the soldiers were there to reroute it.



This is a broad simplification of a movement that benefited from the civil disobedience that stretched back decades before the event, I'll go into more detail later as its near three in the morning at this point.

but it's almost 4 tho

you're either very very tired or have a misconfigured system/clock

just sayin

Both.

[United Marxist Nations]

Violence was the only tool in the Irish arsenal that ever made the British enter talks with U.S.

It was never the only tool.

The kind of action taken by the people I listed takes a special kind of courage, one the civil right marchers of the 60's possessed. It wouldn't have been easy, it wouldn't have been immediate, but it would have brought the British government to the table, as happened in India.

Violence only brought people to the table when both sides saw it wasn't getting anyone anywhere. But that took 30 odd years and thousands of deaths, and the people that suffered the most were the poor innocent sods caught in the middle.

Really you can attempt to use any justification you want, but it won't change the fact that the PIRA and other such groups became just as bad as what they said they were fighting against.

I already pointed out why the British Government gave independence to India (mistrust of the British Indian Army brought on by the Naval mutiny and weakness in the aftermath of WWII. Gandhi wasn't why india became independence.

The civil rights marchers the Northern Irish used got shot down by the British Army. They weren't going to the table. It may have been bloody what happened, but the British made concessions that both sides were reasonably happy with. Plus, without the PIRA, what would have kept the Loyalists in check? The British Army wasn't doing near enough to stop them.

[Benian Republic]

Guys let this die

[Ikania]

Guys let this die

Why? Is it not a worthy topic?

[Benian Republic]

Guys let this die

Why? Is it not a worthy topic?

It was started to piss off people...