Ifreann wrote:It's uter-us, not uter-you.
Well said.
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by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:38 pm
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by Bottle » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:47 pm
Butballs wrote:From the moment of conception, towards the end of life, they are humans. The fetus, and babies are the most innocent members of society. It puts me in tears that some ass would kill the poor citizens. However, in special cases, such as rape THAT CANT BE PREVENTED, and maternal health, is when the human can be murded.
by Old Hope » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:51 pm
Mavorpen wrote:Old Hope wrote:Ask yourself: Why is there any unborn inside the mother, needing her body?
Because the mother had chosen to perform an act potentially resulting in exactly that. She is responsible for the child.
And bodily integrity is not really a strong argument- because it has ceased to be exclusively the womans body.
Ask yourself:why is here a penis inside of the woman?
Because the woman had chosen to consent to to an act leading to exactly that. She is responsible for pleasing the man to the end. What a fantastic argument for rape you have there.
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by Hebalobia » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:54 pm
by Mavorpen » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:56 pm
Old Hope wrote:Mavorpen wrote:Ask yourself:why is here a penis inside of the woman?
Because the woman had chosen to consent to to an act leading to exactly that. She is responsible for pleasing the man to the end. What a fantastic argument for rape you have there.
The man can go away. The unborn can't.
Old Hope wrote: The man doesn't have to do that(and shouldn't, ofc). The unborn cannot do anything else.
Old Hope wrote: The man is also responsible for not harming the woman. The unborn... well, it isn't able to do anything else.
by Old Hope » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:57 pm
So women have to put up with shared bodily integrity, whether they agree to it or not, but men don't?
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by Ashmoria » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:59 pm
Old Hope wrote:So women have to put up with shared bodily integrity, whether they agree to it or not, but men don't?
After birth, you mean? Men have to, if they share the body with someone else... but that is just rare, that is all....
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:02 pm
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by Betoni » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:05 pm
by Old Hope » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:19 pm
Mavorpen wrote:Old Hope wrote:The man can go away. The unborn can't.
He apparently doesn't have to.Old Hope wrote: The man doesn't have to do that(and shouldn't, ofc). The unborn cannot do anything else.
The man doesn't have to stop raping her?Old Hope wrote: The man is also responsible for not harming the woman. The unborn... well, it isn't able to do anything else.
She consented. He has no responsibility to do anything. According to you if you consent to sex you consent to any consequences, including pregnancy and being beaten by the man. Why the magical exception for the latter?
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by Old Hope » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:25 pm
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Ashmoria wrote:what did YOU mean?
men never share their body with someone else.
and its not really SHARING its one person making another person from scratch.
Besides, other than sperm, what else does a man brings to a pregnancy? His body isn't the one doing the job of feeding and incubating a fetus. His body isn't the one deforming for 9 months. His life is not the one that could be in peril if the pregnancy and labor become complicated.
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by Mavorpen » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:28 pm
Old Hope wrote:Mavorpen wrote:He apparently doesn't have to.
The man doesn't have to stop raping her?
She consented. He has no responsibility to do anything. According to you if you consent to sex you consent to any consequences, including pregnancy and being beaten by the man. Why the magical exception for the latter?
No. You don't consent! You just have to take the responsibility if you cause something unavoidable by others.
The woman can tell the man "Please stop" and the man can do it, and live on. The man can avoid that...
The woman can say to the unborn" Please go away"... but the unborn isn't able to go away.
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:30 pm
Old Hope wrote:Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Besides, other than sperm, what else does a man brings to a pregnancy? His body isn't the one doing the job of feeding and incubating a fetus. His body isn't the one deforming for 9 months. His life is not the one that could be in peril if the pregnancy and labor become complicated.
You never heard of conjoined twins, did you, Ashmoria?
And Nanatsu- that is a strawman.
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by Bottle » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:31 pm
Old Hope wrote:Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Besides, other than sperm, what else does a man brings to a pregnancy? His body isn't the one doing the job of feeding and incubating a fetus. His body isn't the one deforming for 9 months. His life is not the one that could be in peril if the pregnancy and labor become complicated.
You never heard of conjoined twins, did you, Ashmoria?
And Nanatsu- that is a strawman.
by Old Hope » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:40 pm
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by Old Hope » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:00 pm
Mavorpen wrote:Old Hope wrote:No. You don't consent! You just have to take the responsibility if you cause something unavoidable by others.
The woman can tell the man "Please stop" and the man can do it, and live on. The man can avoid that...
The woman can say to the unborn" Please go away"... but the unborn isn't able to go away.
And she takes responsibility and makes the fetus go away by getting an abortion, just as I would do the same for a parasitic worm residing in my intestines.
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by Ifreann » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:02 pm
by Mavorpen » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:04 pm
Old Hope wrote: And because there is another possibility to end this with both living...
Old Hope wrote: And that worm is a not a human. The fetus is.
by Old Hope » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:19 pm
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by Mavorpen » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:24 pm
Old Hope wrote:Mavorpen wrote:Just like if a woman is being raped she can just allow the man to rape her rather than use lethal force, right?
The man had the ability not to do that in the first place. He chose to get into that situation.
It is the combination:To cause the fetus to exist in the body, dependant, without being able to go elsewhere living for a period of time, without choosing that situation, and to kill it for your own personal gain,
by Novsvacro » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:28 pm
by Russels Orbiting Teapot » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:30 pm
Novsvacro wrote:I think if it's before the third trimester, it's rape, or it's incest, abortion is acceptable.
by Old Hope » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:34 pm
Mavorpen wrote:Old Hope wrote:The man had the ability not to do that in the first place. He chose to get into that situation.
It is the combination:To cause the fetus to exist in the body, dependant, without being able to go elsewhere living for a period of time, without choosing that situation, and to kill it for your own personal gain,
Just like I would do the same for a parasitic worm. Women aren't property and they have every right to make personal medical decisions. It's between their doctor and them. No one else.
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by The Five Galaxies » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:35 pm
Novsvacro wrote:I think if it's before the third trimester, it's rape, or it's incest, abortion is acceptable.
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