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Postby Bandwagon » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:15 am

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Risottia wrote:There's a sniper around! QUICK! SCRAMBLE THE INTERCEPTORS! SCRAMBLE THE BOMBERS!

:palm: The sheer idiocy of it...


Its to protect aviation, apparently. you'll never know.

Why don't they just close Ottawa Airport altogether and take measures at other Canadian Airports.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:16 am

The balkens wrote:
Risottia wrote:There's a sniper around! QUICK! SCRAMBLE THE INTERCEPTORS! SCRAMBLE THE BOMBERS!

:palm: The sheer idiocy of it...


Its to protect aviation, apparently. you'll never know.

I doubt that one or more snipers in a city centre could pose any serious threat to a bloody air force base or to a bloody airplane, fer cryin' out loud.
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Postby The balkens » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:16 am

Bandwagon wrote:
The balkens wrote:
Its to protect aviation, apparently. you'll never know.

Why don't they just close Ottawa Airport altogether and take measures at other Canadian Airports.


Don't know. But they probably are not taking any chances.

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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:16 am

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Tyrygia wrote:The guy who ran down two Canadian soldiers was convert to islam. I am willing to bet that muslims are responsible for this attack. ISIS has convinced muslims across the world to commit acts of terrorism against countries that oppose ISIS. The Canadian parliament just voted to join the US led coalition against ISIS, so this is probably a reprisal for that.


How do you know this? Racist's intuition?

No by probability. If Canada was going through a wave of violent incidences with Quebec separatists (ie like in the late 60's to early 70's) then you'd place your bet on a Quebec sovereignty group. Recently we've had threats levelled against Canada by ISIS, reports of radicalised Canadian Muslims going to or attempting to go to Syria to join ISIS, an incident yesterday involving Canadian soldiers and a radicalised Canadian Muslim and iirc the terrorism threat level had been raised back home. Also Canada recently voted to join the military intervention against ISIS and have been supporting groups like the Iraqi military and Peshmerga for some time. So probability goes to a radicalised Canadian Muslim, though there is also the chance it could be some dickheads doing it for who knows what reason.
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The balkens wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2014/oct/22/canadian-parliament-lockdown-shooting


No idea what is going on, but the shooter apparently still at large.

EDIT: sorry about the lack of a fleshed out OP, i will try to find more Info.

Let us bet it was done by children of Muslim immigrants. But no, Islam is peacefull, say the liberals.

It was probably because Canada joined the war against ISIS.
Because the actions of a few reflect that of 1.5 billion people obviously. :roll:

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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:17 am

Shooting in Montreal too, confirmed but cant bring a source, I can hear the fucking shooting from where I am here in Ottawa

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Postby Bandwagon » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:17 am

Risottia wrote:
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Its to protect aviation, apparently. you'll never know.

I doubt that one or more snipers in a city centre could pose any serious threat to a bloody air force base or to a bloody airplane, fer cryin' out loud.

I thought Canada was a model nation.
I'm not that sure now.
But it could happen in about half of the world.
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Postby The balkens » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:18 am

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:Shooting in Montreal too, confirmed but cant bring a source, I can hear the fucking shooting from where I am here in Ottawa


MONTREAL!?

Christ, what is going on?

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Postby Insaeldor » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:18 am

The balkens wrote:NORAD is also increasing its alert posture, which means that more planes are going to be in the air.

Why? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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Buse wrote:Let us bet it was done by children of Muslim immigrants. But no, Islam is peacefull, say the liberals.

It was probably because Canada joined the war against ISIS.

Who knows. It could be by some group of mentally ill people who play lots of COD and think COD is like real life.
But that has hasn't happened before.
Wait................................


Police report is coming up soon. Until than we won't really know who is the perpetrators. It is likely it is of Islamist origin just given the events of the last 48 hours but for all we know these men could be radicals from any sort of ideological base from Québécois-nationalist, Anarchist, or just a small group of men with a vendetta against the government (for whatever reason)
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Postby Sanctissima » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:19 am

For God's sake this is Canada! This kind of shit doesn't happen here.

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Postby The balkens » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:19 am

Sanctissima wrote:For God's sake this is Canada! This kind of shit doesn't happen here.


It could happen anywhere.

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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:19 am

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:Shooting in Montreal too, confirmed but cant bring a source, I can hear the fucking shooting from where I am here in Ottawa

Is it sure to be somehow related though? Could be one of the gangs just going at one another again. After all the Rizzuto family's civil war ended only a year ago iirc.

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Postby Insaeldor » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:20 am

Bandwagon wrote:
Risottia wrote:I doubt that one or more snipers in a city centre could pose any serious threat to a bloody air force base or to a bloody airplane, fer cryin' out loud.

I thought Canada was a model nation.
I'm not that sure now.
But it could happen in about half of the world.

This could happen in virtually any nation on earth. The relaxed nature of the Canadian capital just makes it an easier target.
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Postby Kouralia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:20 am

Risottia wrote:
The balkens wrote:
Its to protect aviation, apparently. you'll never know.

I doubt that one or more snipers in a city centre could pose any serious threat to a bloody air force base or to a bloody airplane, fer cryin' out loud.

For the same reason that Eurofighters were scrambled earlier after a bomb threat on a plane in the UK. To escort, and if necessary destroy a hijacked civilian airliner.

While, yes, there is no visible link or evidence of this attack (and the potentially linked shooting in a shopping centre) being the precursor to something bigger (obvious bogeyman is 9/11), it's better to have more planes in the air just in case a previously highly successful terrorist tactic is used again.
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Postby Bandwagon » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:21 am

Sanctissima wrote:For God's sake this is Canada! This kind of shit doesn't happen here.

I thought that four hours ago, less.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:21 am

Bandwagon wrote:I thought Canada was a model nation.
I'm not that sure now.
But it could happen in about half of the world.

Similar stuff has happened in recent times in Italy, some years ago in Switzerland, and an extremely worse variant of it happened in Norway.
Really, it's horrible, but nothing that cannot be managed and nothing to lose your mind about. Keep calm and carry on.
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Postby Sacred United Rome » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:21 am

Why have guards if they flee if one guard gets shot?
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Postby Sanctissima » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:21 am

Good point, but still, we tend to be considered one of the more peaceful nations.

The balkens wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:For God's sake this is Canada! This kind of shit doesn't happen here.


It could happen anywhere.

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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:21 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:Shooting in Montreal too, confirmed but cant bring a source, I can hear the fucking shooting from where I am here in Ottawa

Is it sure to be somehow related though? Could be one of the gangs just going at one another again. After all the Rizzuto family's civil war ended only a year ago iirc.

Shooting at some soldiers I think (Montreal), but here in Ottawa the army has taken the streets.

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Postby Risottia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:22 am

Kouralia wrote:
Risottia wrote:I doubt that one or more snipers in a city centre could pose any serious threat to a bloody air force base or to a bloody airplane, fer cryin' out loud.

For the same reason that Eurofighters were scrambled earlier after a bomb threat on a plane in the UK. To escort, and if necessary destroy a hijacked civilian airliner.

While, yes, there is no visible link or evidence of this attack (and the potentially linked shooting in a shopping centre) being the precursor to something bigger (obvious bogeyman is 9/11), it's better to have more planes in the air just in case a previously highly successful terrorist tactic is used again.

Meh... since there's no bomb-on-plane threat currently, seems like overreacting to me.
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Postby Dewhurst-Narculis » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:23 am

Sanctissima wrote:For God's sake this is Canada! This kind of shit doesn't happen here.


I live in the literal middle of nowhere and we had an incident of a youth with strong ties to ISIL stabbing a policeman, before being shot, about 20 min away, It can happen anywhere where there are disgruntled and impressionable people about. (Regardless of ethnicity, religion and gender)
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Postby Risottia » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:23 am

Sacred United Rome wrote:Why have Guards if they flee if one Guard falls?

Rule #1 for police, guards, armed forces, firefighters, paramedics etc: FIRST check that YOU are safe yourself. THEN proceed to help others.
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Postby Digital Planets » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:23 am

I wonder whoever killed one of the gunmen said sorry after he shot them.
So you decide to open it anyway? What the heck, man?

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Postby Sanctissima » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:23 am

Bandwagon wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:For God's sake this is Canada! This kind of shit doesn't happen here.

I thought that four hours ago, less.


I know. Last time this happened was back when the FLQ existed. Since then, it's just been isolated incidents, but this one looks planned.

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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:23 am

Sanctissima wrote:For God's sake this is Canada! This kind of shit doesn't happen here.

As a Canadian, this stereotype fucking annoys me. It can happen anywhere. One of the worst school massacres was in Montreal (Ecole Polytechnic), we've had other types of bad events. Does it happen less frequently? Yes. But it's not something that doesn't happen at all.

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Postby Insaeldor » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:24 am

Sacred United Rome wrote:Why have Guards if they flee if one Guard falls?

Because there were only two and their both ceremonial in nature. They aren't meant to take on well armed shooters. So far the Police and Police Paramilitants have the city under control for the most part.
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