And then we'd declare victory when we find some bomb casings and leftover pepper spray.
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by Jocabia » Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:33 am
by Maineiacs » Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:22 am
The Greater Aryan Race wrote:Glorious Freedonia wrote:When you overthrow the dictatorship and give the people control over there government that is liberation. Liberation means giving liberty it is what we did and should do more often.
*cough*Pinochet*cough*
*cough*Suharto*cough*
*cough*American-backed dictators*cough*Glorious Freedonia wrote:If you are opposed to liberty you are un American. Liberty is an American ideal.
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by Murkwood » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:39 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Murkwood wrote:Ummm...stopping the spread of the Soviets kinda was our business back then.
you made it your business. The Soviets didn't threaten North America with nuclear missiles until you tried to threaten them with missiles in Turkey.
It didn't need to be that way. American foreign interventionism was wrong-headed. And no, NOT sending people to die in Vietnam would not mean that today we would all be speaking Russian.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o
Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.
Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.
by Glorious Freedonia » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:52 pm
Maineiacs wrote:Glorious Freedonia wrote:A dictatorship is not a legitimate government. When you overthrow the dictatorship and give the people control over there government that is liberation. Liberation means giving liberty it is what we did and should do more often.
If you are opposed to liberty you are un American. Liberty is an American ideal.
Tell me, what countries should we not invade; oh, sorry -- I meant liberate? I have a feeling that list for you would be shorter than the list of ones you think we should. BTW, last time I checked a dictionary the definition of "un-American" was not "dares to disagree with Glorious Freedonia".
by Benuty » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:23 pm
Murkwood wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
you made it your business. The Soviets didn't threaten North America with nuclear missiles until you tried to threaten them with missiles in Turkey.
It didn't need to be that way. American foreign interventionism was wrong-headed. And no, NOT sending people to die in Vietnam would not mean that today we would all be speaking Russian.
The Cold War wasn't something we could turn our back on.
by The New Sea Territory » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:24 pm
Glorious Freedonia wrote:Nonsense. Also the us does not invade anyone. We liberate the oppressed. Take your anti Americanism somewhere else like North Korea perhaps.
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by Murkwood » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:28 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o
Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.
Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.
by Benuty » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:29 pm
by The New Sea Territory » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:29 pm
Glorious Freedonia wrote:A dictatorship is not a legitimate government. When you overthrow the dictatorship and give the people control over there government that is liberation. Liberation means giving liberty it is what we did and should do more often.
If you are opposed to liberty you are un American. Liberty is an American ideal.
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Solntsa Roshcha --- Postmodern Poyltheist
"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore
by The New Sea Territory » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:29 pm
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Solntsa Roshcha --- Postmodern Poyltheist
"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore
by Glorious Freedonia » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:44 pm
The New Sea Territory wrote:Glorious Freedonia wrote:A dictatorship is not a legitimate government. When you overthrow the dictatorship and give the people control over there government that is liberation. Liberation means giving liberty it is what we did and should do more often.
If you are opposed to liberty you are un American. Liberty is an American ideal.
Why? American Corporations are governed in a totalitarian manner.
So when the the Partisans took control of Yugoslavia and created a socialist state, you would applaud them?
No, America has never given liberty. Name any intervention, it gives no one liberty. War gives no liberty, ever.
You are opposed to liberty yourself, as I take it you support American intervention. Un-American!
Liberty is an ideal. America is an imaginary, arbitrary set of lines drawn on a map that is enforced by the state.
by Glorious Freedonia » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:48 pm
by Murkwood » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:09 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o
Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.
Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.
by Kravanica » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:13 pm
by Benuty » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:46 pm
Murkwood wrote:Benuty wrote: How exactly was supporting the Khmer rouge a testament to the "ends justifying the means"?
The US fought aginst Khmer Rouge. We bombed them. Read about Operation Freedom Deal and Operation Menu.
by The Lithuanian-Surinamese Caliphate » Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:05 pm
Kravanica wrote:I generally favor it. Small government, a free market, individual liberty and a strong military are necessary for us to succeed.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Way to go for SUPPRESSING my opinion.
by Prezelly » Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:26 pm
by District XIV » Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:29 pm
Kravanica wrote:I generally favor it. Small government, a free market, individual liberty and a strong military are necessary for us to succeed.
by The New Sea Territory » Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:26 pm
Glorious Freedonia wrote:The New Sea Territory wrote:
No we didn't, and no end justifies genocide.
I almost agree with you on this. The only exception is when The Lord may have commanded the Israelites to kill everyone in one or more cities. The Lord also may have slain cities without our help. Since human life is under his control it is not Wong for him o do Hess things or have us do Hess things. I kind of have my doubts that he Lord actually commanded this and I am not sure that killing off a city is in fact genocide, but these are rather exceptional situations.
Glorious Freedonia wrote:American corporations are democratic fashion. Shareholders elect the board. The board is as active as it pleases. Why would you say that they act in a totalitarian way?
Violence in support of socialism is bad just like anything in support of socialism.
Wars that brought liberty include but are not limited to: Korean War, second Iraq war, both world wars, aid to Afghanistan against the soviets, aid to Israel, Spanish American war, Mexican war, Barbary coast war (freedom of the seas), some aspects of the Vietnam war such as regarding the Hmong, panama.
Other wars that brought or upheld liberty include the American and French revolutions, the afghan war vs ussr, various Israeli wars, and arguably the Boer War.
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"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore
by The New Sea Territory » Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:27 pm
Murkwood wrote:Benuty wrote: How exactly was supporting the Khmer rouge a testament to the "ends justifying the means"?
The US fought aginst Khmer Rouge. We bombed them. Read about Operation Freedom Deal and Operation Menu.
| Ⓐ ☭ | Anarchist Communist | Heideggerian Marxist | Vegetarian | Bisexual | Stirnerite | Slavic/Germanic Pagan | ᚨ ᛟ |
Solntsa Roshcha --- Postmodern Poyltheist
"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore
by Kravanica » Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:36 pm
The Lithuanian-Surinamese Caliphate wrote:Kravanica wrote:I generally favor it. Small government, a free market, individual liberty and a strong military are necessary for us to succeed.
Because we deserve liberty from our government while foreigners don't.
Something about that seems a bit...backwards to me.
by Kravanica » Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:36 pm
by The Lithuanian-Surinamese Caliphate » Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:39 pm
Kravanica wrote:The Lithuanian-Surinamese Caliphate wrote:Because we deserve liberty from our government while foreigners don't.
Something about that seems a bit...backwards to me.
Uh... Yeah. The actual citizens of this country deserve more liberty from its government than foreigners do.
That's how basically every country is.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Way to go for SUPPRESSING my opinion.
by The New Sea Territory » Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:40 pm
Kravanica wrote:The Lithuanian-Surinamese Caliphate wrote:Because we deserve liberty from our government while foreigners don't.
Something about that seems a bit...backwards to me.
Uh... Yeah. The actual citizens of this country deserve more liberty from its government than foreigners do.
That's how basically every country is.
Kravanica wrote:How, exactly?
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"Christianity had brutally planted the poisoned blade in the healthy, quivering flesh of all humanity; it had goaded a cold wave
of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore
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