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by Orham » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:09 pm
by The Shia Califate » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:28 pm
Universal Socialism wrote:The Shia Califate wrote:This is the most closed-minded, ignorant, and altogether poorly made post I have ever read. Let me rebute.
First of all, you are not an atheist because you do not believe in the Christian God. That much is clear.
1. He did a whole lot for mankind. Actually, he created mankind. And the universe. And you know, everything. Nobody is testing you, he's just asking that you love and respect him as a father and obey some simple laws. Like you know, not killing people and not being a general idiot. You know, simple stuff.
2. Theologians have decided long ago that if don't have a chance to be saved you will be forgiven. Next.
3. "Harsh punishments for minor crimes"... It wasn't a simple theft, they unleashed evil upon the world forever. They turned people from a blissful state of frolicking and happiness to sin and evil. Rather than revert them back, he decided to punish them forever by kicking them out of the garden.
4. Well, go ahead. Debunk them.
1. If were not being tested then how do you justify the fact that he lets tons of crap go on in the world, and since he's all powerful and all knowing it should be effortless for him to fix many of these problems like maybe not giving so many christian people disabilities. Also just because he apparently created us doesn't mean he's very loving, for example an abusive father may have created his kids but that doesn't make him a loving father.
2. Then it seems believing in god wasn't necessary.
3. How is intelligence a bad thing, just because we question our position as organic robots. By the way not only did he punish them but the entire human species when we have done nothing, for you cannot blame someone for the actions of their ancestors.
4. Considering I did that means you have no evidence to prove that god exists now.
Oh yeah and if I wasn't clear enough I don't believe in any god so I'm an atheist, now lets stop talking about what I am and continue the more pressing debate.
by Libertechie » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:28 pm
by Frisivisia » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:30 pm
by Menassa » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:31 pm
by The Shia Califate » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:31 pm
by The Nuclear Fist » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:32 pm
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
by Frisivisia » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:33 pm
by Libertechie » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:26 am
by Ceannairceach » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:27 am
by Ceannairceach » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:28 am
by Ceannairceach » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:33 am
Empire of Narnia wrote:Yes. It should be obvious.
by Libertechie » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:38 am
Ceannairceach wrote:Libertechie wrote:
*evades insult* I don't know, I just believe it is, because that's what I have faith in. The morals don't invade other people's privacy either.
I have faith in the idea that Lucifer, like Prometheus before him, liberated humanity from the tyranny of the gods that would punish him for this "crime." That does not make my story real.
by Menassa » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:38 am
Ceannairceach wrote:Libertechie wrote:
*evades insult* I don't know, I just believe it is, because that's what I have faith in. The morals don't invade other people's privacy either.
I have faith in the idea that Lucifer, like Prometheus before him, liberated humanity from the tyranny of the gods that would punish him for this "crime." That does not make my story real.
by Estado Paulista » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:39 am
by Ceannairceach » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:41 am
by Menassa » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:42 am
by Ceannairceach » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:43 am
by Menassa » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:43 am
Libertechie wrote:Ceannairceach wrote:I have faith in the idea that Lucifer, like Prometheus before him, liberated humanity from the tyranny of the gods that would punish him for this "crime." That does not make my story real.
I have faith in a God, I know that. I believe it is most likely that God actually came to his own world in the flesh, and performed miracles, and redeemed the people who left him. Mohammed wasn't God, he was a prophet. Neither was Moses, nor Abraham, nor others. Jesus actually came as God in the flesh, and was betrayed by his government when trying to spread the message of righteousness. He is a God who came back to save a people He created out of His own will, His own love and grace, the same people that fell into sin, and betrayed the God whom created them. God had so much love for His people, that He sent Jesus to save them. This is the God that I have faith, what I believe is God, the most impressive of all Gods, and to me, the holiest God. No other God has come to Earth with such grace, for a people so fallen.
by Ceannairceach » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:44 am
Menassa wrote:Ceannairceach wrote:I do not claim biblical authority. That story is my own metaphor. I don't actually even believe any of it. No need to pull out your Torah against me, Menassa
I pull out my Torah against everyone, even Jews.
But I like your connection between the Christian Satan and Prometheus, it's one I've thought of myself.
by Estado Paulista » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:45 am
Menassa wrote:Libertechie wrote:I have faith in a God, I know that. I believe it is most likely that God actually came to his own world in the flesh, and performed miracles, and redeemed the people who left him. Mohammed wasn't God, he was a prophet. Neither was Moses, nor Abraham, nor others. Jesus actually came as God in the flesh, and was betrayed by his government when trying to spread the message of righteousness. He is a God who came back to save a people He created out of His own will, His own love and grace, the same people that fell into sin, and betrayed the God whom created them. God had so much love for His people, that He sent Jesus to save them. This is the God that I have faith, what I believe is God, the most impressive of all Gods, and to me, the holiest God. No other God has come to Earth with such grace, for a people so fallen.
Ya ever wonder why it took God around 2000 years to come to earth since the fall of man?
by Ceannairceach » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:47 am
Libertechie wrote:Ceannairceach wrote:I have faith in the idea that Lucifer, like Prometheus before him, liberated humanity from the tyranny of the gods that would punish him for this "crime." That does not make my story real.
I have faith in a God, I know that. I believe it is most likely that God actually came to his own world in the flesh, and performed miracles, and redeemed the people who left him. Mohammed wasn't God, he was a prophet. Neither was Moses, nor Abraham, nor others. Jesus actually came as God in the flesh, and was betrayed by his government when trying to spread the message of righteousness. He is a God who came back to save a people He created out of His own will, His own love and grace, the same people that fell into sin, and betrayed the God whom created them. God had so much love for His people, that He sent Jesus to save them. This is the God that I have faith, what I believe is God, the most impressive of all Gods, and to me, the holiest God. No other God has come to Earth with such grace, for a people so fallen.
by Menassa » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:48 am
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