Does the (Christian) God Exist?

[Resawa]

Can I have a link please?

For what?

I was just asking for you to find an article on the fossil bunnies as I've never heard of it before, it all good though, you have successively proven my ignorance, thank you and good job
However, I do I have to say that it didn't have be so rude

[Conkerials]

Abrahamic*... Don't be selfish.

[Menassa]

The Christian god = the muslim god = the jewish god = pretty much all gods.

Hint: There is only one God.

Haha.... no...

[Universal Socialism]

No I do not believe he exists (I also don't believe in any divine being at all making me an atheist), and I shall provide a brief explanation why he doesn't exist.

1. He does absolutely nothing to care for mankind he even does weird things like making people like me atheist. The argument against this is that god is testing us however everything that happens is supposed to be decided by him, and if that's the case he decided to make people like me atheist and fail the test making the test biased. It even means all the bad things are decided by him.
2. Theirs some people who never hear of Christianity so they don't get a chance to be believers in god, and according to the rules they shouldn't go to heaven unless they believe in god. We also should take into consideration the people who are good but don't believe in god meaning despite the fact their good people they aren't allowed in heaven, and if their let into heaven anyway that means believing in god wasn't even necessary in the first place being a good person was. By the way to get to heaven theirs actually a lot more in the bible you must do.
3. Following up on item 1 god is not very loving. His aid is totally lopsided, and he harshly punishes people for minor crimes. The best example of his harsh punishments is the garden of Eden incident. Before they ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge humans were practically biological robots that were tending to the garden. By not letting us eat the fruit god practically wanted us to stay slaves by keeping us from becoming sentient (which i doubt anyone wants to be), and when they did eat it he punished the entire human race for something he probably could have just undone I mean he made humans can't he just erase that intelligence just gained. He also once committed global genocide just because we were becoming "evil" which is loosely defined. This means he did worse things then Hitler and Stalin combined. This proves that god is equivalent to a fascist dictator.
4. I can even debunk any evidence of god like you know all those near-death-experiences well guess what we can simulate all of those with modern technology. As for the thing about the creation of the universe theirs a flaw in the god theory, and that is that if god made the universe who create god? Also just because we don't know what the cause of something is doesn't mean its automatically some magical being in the sky. By the way not knowing things is totally normal for science just because we don't know what created the universe now doesn't mean we won't know in the future.

All-in-all god doesn't exist. Their are even more things then this that debunk god. Now those who try to respond please don't spam a bunch of arguments of how "god cannot be tested/questioned" or "god is beyond nature" for if you don't provide serious arguments that can be proven then theirs no reason to take your arguments seriously. Besides this is supposed to be a debate not a cheer-leading contest, nor do I desire to have things dissolve into such. Also please look at my arguments, for that is the important part of this message.

[Menassa]

Prediction: Christians, Jews, and Muslims will say yes; everyone else will say no.

You won't find many Jews or Muslims saying the God understood by Christians exists.

[The New Sea Territory]

The Christian god = the muslim god = the jewish god = pretty much all gods.

Hint: There is only one God.

The Abrahamic God....also the God of a few other offset religions.

[Ifreann]

No I do not believe he exists (making me an atheist)

False.

[Sun Wukong]

For what?

I was just asking for you to find an article on the fossil bunnies as I've never heard of it before, it all good though, you have successively proven my ignorance, thank you and good job
However, I do I have to say that it didn't have be so rude

Well, first of all I haven't rude to you. Secondly that was an example of something that would disprove Darwinian evolution, which you said couldn't be disproved. It can be disproved (it just hasn't), and anyone familiar with it could name a dozen things that would instantly disprove it were they found, that is why it is falsifiable.

Gods are unfalsifiable. There is nothing that could ever be found that would disprove their existence. That is how they differ fundamentally from a scientific idea.

[Conkerials]

No I do not believe he exists (making me an atheist)

False.

Indeed. That would mean he simply does not believe in the Abrahamic god.

[Sun Wukong]

Abrahamic*... Don't be selfish.

Judaic.* Don't eat shellfish.

[Libertechie]

The Christian god = the muslim god = the jewish god = pretty much all gods.

Hint: There is only one God.

There is only one God, but only one proper way to worship Him, the biblical one

[Trezchoix]

let the shitstorm of religious fight begin

(Image)

You got that right want some of my popcorn I mixed it with pork rinds.

yea sure *grabs a handful*

[Imperia Mlytoria]

The Christian god = the muslim god = the jewish god = pretty much all gods.

Hint: There is only one God.

There is only one God, but only one proper way to worship Him, the biblical one

...

*furrows brow*

I don't like you.

[Sun Wukong]

The Christian god = the muslim god = the jewish god = pretty much all gods.

Hint: There is only one God.

There is only one God, but only one proper way to worship Him, the biblical one

Indeed.

Let us observe the feast of unleavened bread and sacrifice a bull at the temple.

[Universal Socialism]

No I do not believe he exists, and I shall provide a brief explanation why he doesn't exist.

1. He does absolutely nothing to care for mankind he even does weird things like making people like me atheist. The argument against this is that god is testing us however everything that happens is supposed to be decided by him, and if that's the case he decided to make people like me atheist and fail the test making the test biased. It even means all the bad things are decided by him.
2. Theirs some people who never hear of Christianity so they don't get a chance to be believers in god, and according to the rules they shouldn't go to heaven unless they believe in god. We also should take into consideration the people who are good but don't believe in god meaning despite the fact their good people they aren't allowed in heaven, and if their let into heaven anyway that means believing in god wasn't even necessary in the first place being a good person was. By the way to get to heaven theirs actually a lot more in the bible you must do.
3. Following up on item 1 of the list god is not very loving. His aid is totally lopsided, and he harshly punishes people for minor crimes. The best example of his harsh punishments is the garden of Eden incident. Before they ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge humans were practically biological robots that were tending to the garden. By not letting us eat the fruit god practically wanted us to stay slaves by keeping us from becoming sentient (which i doubt anyone wants to be), and when they did eat it he punished the entire human race for something he probably could have just undone I mean he made humans can't he just erase that intelligence just gained. He also once committed global genocide just because we were becoming "evil" which is loosely defined. This means he did worse things then Hitler and Stalin combined. This proves that god is equivalent to a fascist dictator.
4. I can even debunk any evidence of god like you know all those near-death-experiences well guess what we can simulate all of those with modern technology. As for the thing about the creation of the universe theirs a flaw in the god theory, and that is that if god made the universe who create god? Also just because we don't know what the cause of something is doesn't mean its automatically some magical being in the sky. By the way not knowing things is totally normal for science just because we don't know what created the universe now doesn't mean we won't know in the future.

All-in-all god doesn't exist. Their are even more things then this that debunk god. Now those who try to respond please don't spam a bunch of arguments of how "god cannot be tested/questioned" or "god is beyond nature" for if you don't provide serious arguments that can be proven then theirs no reason to take your arguments seriously. Besides this is supposed to be a debate not a cheer-leading contest, nor do I desire to have things dissolve into such. Also please look at my arguments, for that is the important part of this message.

Please stop complaining about how I call myself an atheist. That's not the important part of this message. By the way I am an atheist for I don't believe in any divine being and it seems I must specify and say that exactly.

[The Shia Califate]

No I do not believe he exists (I also don't believe in any divine being at all making me an atheist), and I shall provide a brief explanation why he doesn't exist.

1. He does absolutely nothing to care for mankind he even does weird things like making people like me atheist. The argument against this is that god is testing us however everything that happens is supposed to be decided by him, and if that's the case he decided to make people like me atheist and fail the test making the test biased. It even means all the bad things are decided by him.
2. Theirs some people who never hear of Christianity so they don't get a chance to be believers in god, and according to the rules they shouldn't go to heaven unless they believe in god. We also should take into consideration the people who are good but don't believe in god meaning despite the fact their good people they aren't allowed in heaven, and if their let into heaven anyway that means believing in god wasn't even necessary in the first place being a good person was. By the way to get to heaven theirs actually a lot more in the bible you must do.
3. Following up on item 1 god is not very loving. His aid is totally lopsided, and he harshly punishes people for minor crimes. The best example of his harsh punishments is the garden of Eden incident. Before they ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge humans were practically biological robots that were tending to the garden. By not letting us eat the fruit god practically wanted us to stay slaves by keeping us from becoming sentient (which i doubt anyone wants to be), and when they did eat it he punished the entire human race for something he probably could have just undone I mean he made humans can't he just erase that intelligence just gained. He also once committed global genocide just because we were becoming "evil" which is loosely defined. This means he did worse things then Hitler and Stalin combined. This proves that god is equivalent to a fascist dictator.
4. I can even debunk any evidence of god like you know all those near-death-experiences well guess what we can simulate all of those with modern technology. As for the thing about the creation of the universe theirs a flaw in the god theory, and that is that if god made the universe who create god? Also just because we don't know what the cause of something is doesn't mean its automatically some magical being in the sky. By the way not knowing things is totally normal for science just because we don't know what created the universe now doesn't mean we won't know in the future.

All-in-all god doesn't exist. Their are even more things then this that debunk god. Now those who try to respond please don't spam a bunch of arguments of how "god cannot be tested/questioned" or "god is beyond nature" for if you don't provide serious arguments that can be proven then theirs no reason to take your arguments seriously. Besides this is supposed to be a debate not a cheer-leading contest, nor do I desire to have things dissolve into such. Also please look at my arguments, for that is the important part of this message.

This is the most closed-minded, ignorant, and altogether poorly made post I have ever read. Let me rebute.

First of all, you are not an atheist because you do not believe in the Christian God. That much is clear.

1. He did a whole lot for mankind. Actually, he created mankind. And the universe. And you know, everything. Nobody is testing you, he's just asking that you love and respect him as a father and obey some simple laws. Like you know, not killing people and not being a general idiot. You know, simple stuff.

2. Theologians have decided long ago that if don't have a chance to be saved you will be forgiven. Next.

3. "Harsh punishments for minor crimes"... It wasn't a simple theft, they unleashed evil upon the world forever. They turned people from a blissful state of frolicking and happiness to sin and evil. Rather than revert them back, he decided to punish them forever by kicking them out of the garden.

4. Well, go ahead. Debunk them.

[Universal Socialism]

No I do not believe he exists (I also don't believe in any divine being at all making me an atheist), and I shall provide a brief explanation why he doesn't exist.

1. He does absolutely nothing to care for mankind he even does weird things like making people like me atheist. The argument against this is that god is testing us however everything that happens is supposed to be decided by him, and if that's the case he decided to make people like me atheist and fail the test making the test biased. It even means all the bad things are decided by him.
2. Theirs some people who never hear of Christianity so they don't get a chance to be believers in god, and according to the rules they shouldn't go to heaven unless they believe in god. We also should take into consideration the people who are good but don't believe in god meaning despite the fact their good people they aren't allowed in heaven, and if their let into heaven anyway that means believing in god wasn't even necessary in the first place being a good person was. By the way to get to heaven theirs actually a lot more in the bible you must do.
3. Following up on item 1 god is not very loving. His aid is totally lopsided, and he harshly punishes people for minor crimes. The best example of his harsh punishments is the garden of Eden incident. Before they ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge humans were practically biological robots that were tending to the garden. By not letting us eat the fruit god practically wanted us to stay slaves by keeping us from becoming sentient (which i doubt anyone wants to be), and when they did eat it he punished the entire human race for something he probably could have just undone I mean he made humans can't he just erase that intelligence just gained. He also once committed global genocide just because we were becoming "evil" which is loosely defined. This means he did worse things then Hitler and Stalin combined. This proves that god is equivalent to a fascist dictator.
4. I can even debunk any evidence of god like you know all those near-death-experiences well guess what we can simulate all of those with modern technology. As for the thing about the creation of the universe theirs a flaw in the god theory, and that is that if god made the universe who create god? Also just because we don't know what the cause of something is doesn't mean its automatically some magical being in the sky. By the way not knowing things is totally normal for science just because we don't know what created the universe now doesn't mean we won't know in the future.

All-in-all god doesn't exist. Their are even more things then this that debunk god. Now those who try to respond please don't spam a bunch of arguments of how "god cannot be tested/questioned" or "god is beyond nature" for if you don't provide serious arguments that can be proven then theirs no reason to take your arguments seriously. Besides this is supposed to be a debate not a cheer-leading contest, nor do I desire to have things dissolve into such. Also please look at my arguments, for that is the important part of this message.

This is the most closed-minded, ignorant, and altogether poorly made post I have ever read. Let me rebute.

First of all, you are not an atheist because you do not believe in the Christian God. That much is clear.

1. He did a whole lot for mankind. Actually, he created mankind. And the universe. And you know, everything. Nobody is testing you, he's just asking that you love and respect him as a father and obey some simple laws. Like you know, not killing people and not being a general idiot. You know, simple stuff.

2. Theologians have decided long ago that if don't have a chance to be saved you will be forgiven. Next.

3. "Harsh punishments for minor crimes"... It wasn't a simple theft, they unleashed evil upon the world forever. They turned people from a blissful state of frolicking and happiness to sin and evil. Rather than revert them back, he decided to punish them forever by kicking them out of the garden.

4. Well, go ahead. Debunk them.

1. If were not being tested then how do you justify the fact that he lets tons of crap go on in the world, and since he's all powerful and all knowing it should be effortless for him to fix many of these problems like maybe not giving so many christian people disabilities. Also just because he apparently created us doesn't mean he's very loving, for example an abusive father may have created his kids but that doesn't make him a loving father.

2. Then it seems believing in god wasn't necessary.

3. How is intelligence a bad thing, just because we question our position as organic robots. By the way not only did he punish them but the entire human species when we have done nothing, for you cannot blame someone for the actions of their ancestors.

4. Considering I did that means you have no evidence to prove that god exists now.

Oh yeah and if I wasn't clear enough I don't believe in any god so I'm an atheist, now lets stop talking about what I am and continue the more pressing debate.

[The Antartic Colonies]

My take on this question is this:

First, you need to define what you mean by (The Christian) God. I grew up in a Methodist (Christian) church and I found that everyone had their own description of who they worshipped. Some say God is a "He", or "She", or argued God was neither/both genders - and so on. Most arguments like this break down because people argue from different stances based upon their own convictions. So, I'd like to answer the question by first defining what I mean when I refer to (any) GOD:

A sentient consciousness who possesses the following 5 characteristics:
1) Omnipotence - he/she is all-powerful
2) Omniscient - he/she is all-knowing
3) Omnipresent - he/she is everywhere, all the time
4) Good or Just - he/she only supports what is Right, and never what is Wrong
5) Perfect - he/she never makes mistakes

From this definition, it doesn't take long before you find a contradiction in logic. How do you explain, for example, infanticide, or abortion, or other acts where innocent life is untimely killed? Why does an all-powerful being find it OK or logical to allow insane practices or events like this to happen unless there is, on some divine level, justification that it is *GOOD* for these things to happen? Can this make sense, without having to invoke the "God Knows Best" argument - which as far as I can tell is a cop-out for an actual debate of God's sense of ethics.

Where does the value of prayer come in? Why ask for something God already knows, or have a conversation when God has already ordained the present and future (like what will happen to you when you die)? Is it just a means for people to "feel like they are important"? The Christian Bible states that God needs you to pray for guidance - can't God choose your fate through action/inaction, and if something bad happens then it is because God determined it to be the best thing for you, however bad? And on that note, why are some of us doomed to go to Hell? Why did God make me (for example) such a skeptic if the "treasures of Heaven" were really meant for me as well as everyone who wants "Eternal Salvation"?

What is the value of giving money to a church? Can't God support the faithful? Wouldn't that be a good thing? Wouldn't a magical storm of gold coins on Chrisitian churches encourage a hoarde of new followers to Church - and being Saved *is* a fundumental tenant of the (Protestant Chrisitian) God, isn't it? Why isn't God making the answer to this question totally obvious by performing miracles like this?

So, arguments like these show that there can be a contradiction of logic as God is defined above. So, I'd argue by definition (The Christian) God doesn't exist. If you don't agree with my definition of (The Christian) God, then my argument may not hold weight with you.

Finally, let me state this: it would be nice if he did - scientists would have an easy answer for any pesky Physics question (e.g. "Oh, that's because of God - no math is required there."). It'd also make Life much easier to live knowing that the smartest, wisest, and kindest intelligence in the Cosmos is actually watching out for you. But, it simply isn't so - not because I want it that way, but because it just is. Personally, I'd like to see that a God (of any kind) exists, but Life just isn't that simple. All we have in this world is each other, and the vast machinery called Physics that science has partially uncovered so far. Personally, one of the reasons why so many people believe in God is because they don't clearly define or understand what God is, nor question what they have been told as children.

I hope this answer was helpful.

[Sun Wukong]

The "Christian God" is so vague a concept as to have a potentially infinite number of meanings.

Even if one of these described a real entity, indeed even if several did, any finite value divided by infinity yields zero. The Christian God does not exist. QED.

[Terra Gymnos]

The one thing I am sure of without a doubt. Every human being that has ever lived arrives at a time when they know God exists. There is no exception everyone will stand before Him and be held accountable.

[Sun Wukong]

The one thing I am sure of without a doubt. Every human being that has ever lived arrives at a time when they know God exists. There is no exception everyone will stand before Him and be held accountable.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."

[Imperia Mlytoria]

This is the most closed-minded, ignorant, and altogether poorly made post I have ever read. Let me rebute.

First of all, you are not an atheist because you do not believe in the Christian God. That much is clear.

1. He did a whole lot for mankind. Actually, he created mankind. And the universe. And you know, everything. Nobody is testing you, he's just asking that you love and respect him as a father and obey some simple laws. Like you know, not killing people and not being a general idiot(1). You know, simple stuff.

2. Theologians have decided long ago that if don't have a chance to be saved you will be forgiven. Next.(2)

3. "Harsh punishments for minor crimes"... It wasn't a simple theft, they unleashed evil upon the world forever. They turned people from a blissful state of frolicking and happiness to sin and evil.(3) Rather than revert them back, he decided to punish them forever by kicking them out of the garden. (4)

4. Well, go ahead. Debunk them.

1: ... and have absolute faith and belief in him, -- even though one can not control their faith or beliefs, they are a product of how one makes sense of the world, and if one can not make sense of the world with a god in it they necessarily won't believe or have faith in such a concept -- and not have sex before marriage or masturbate, -- which every sane teenager is smart enough to tell you is impossible, implausible, or at least severely psychologically damaging -- and kill all people that don't share your belief in him in exactness and rape their virgin women--!! Wait, what!? Oh yeah, that's in those "holy" books too! Those demands are hardly simple, or particularly sensible or moral for that matter.

2: Sauce? And "theologians"? As in, to imply all of them just magickally agree? Ahaha, haha... no. Theologians as a whole have never agreed on anything. The bastards can't even agree on things that are written down, black and white, clear as crystal, in the books they're meant to study and interpret. But if even one theologian has ever spewed that idea I want a source, because I've honestly not heard this one before.

3: You're talking about the garden of eden, right? So, obtaining free will and the ability to think logically and critially -- i.e. the ability to become more than a mere thought slave -- is an affront to god. ... Seems legit.

4: So, this perfect and all-loving god, when faced with an imperfect creation, decided that instead of making it perfect again he would torment it and all of its billions of descendants. That doesn't particularly sound all-loving to me. Or perfect for that matter. Actually, a god that can make something that even has the potential to become overtly imperfect has made something that is in a more subtle way imperfect, thereby making his own designs imperfect in nature, thereby making him imperfect.

[Gauthier]

Has anyone discovered an actual Babel Fish yet?

[Menassa]

The one thing I am sure of without a doubt. Every human being that has ever lived arrives at a time when they know God exists. There is no exception everyone will stand before Him and be held accountable.

This is the Christian God, correct?

[Imperia Mlytoria]

Has anyone discovered an actual Babel Fish yet?

As I have noted, there are arguments that would have the same effect as a Babel Fish. However, a quite curious fish that can translate anything has yet to be found.

Yet. The universe is a big place, though...