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by Ruskyet » Tue May 07, 2013 7:21 pm
by The USOT » Tue May 07, 2013 7:21 pm
Natapoc wrote:The USOT wrote:See its interesting to see you say that last little bit because I found what you just said to sound silly. There is no inherrant link between an updated brain and a custom virus either working or being desirable. My television for instance can be enhanced by adding a computer to it, but without the computer it cannot be hacked, and furthermore I can fix/repair the computer without the tv being damadged.
You will be assimilated, Resistance is futile.
by DuThaal Craftworld » Tue May 07, 2013 7:24 pm
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by Alekera » Tue May 07, 2013 7:30 pm
DuThaal Craftworld wrote:Let's go! Mechanical, scientific, genetic- what's the downside?
by Natapoc » Tue May 07, 2013 7:33 pm
Olivaero wrote:Natapoc wrote:
Yes it's very unreasonable because the way the technology works is just totally different from the optic nerve implant you are proposing. This is not a step in the direction of sending "visual signals" directly to the optic nerve without the eye.
This is only slightly different than what you're doing right now by staring at your computer.
One of the things that frustrates me about transhumanists is their frequent inability to distinguish between some incremental improvements and refinements and an incredible leap in technology.
Just because Google glass is physically close to your eye does not mean it's a path to artificial eye replacement (that would require a totally different technology, rather than a refinement or clever use of existing technology)
EDIT: never mind that was a dumb point. a more general question then, why do you consider it unlikely we will be able to understand how our brains work in the near future?
by DuThaal Craftworld » Tue May 07, 2013 7:34 pm
Alekera wrote:DuThaal Craftworld wrote:Let's go! Mechanical, scientific, genetic- what's the downside?
I have some beefs with transhumanism... not moral (OK, maybe a little) beefs but philosophical beefs.
1) Like at what point are you no longer human?
2) Or who design the implant/genetics? Cause I really don't trust corporation nor government...
3) And furthermore, would this create an elitism class between transhumanists and naturalists? Would there be strife?
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by Natapoc » Tue May 07, 2013 7:39 pm
DuThaal Craftworld wrote:Let's go! Mechanical, scientific, genetic- what's the downside?
by Alekera » Tue May 07, 2013 7:40 pm
DuThaal Craftworld wrote:Alekera wrote:
I have some beefs with transhumanism... not moral (OK, maybe a little) beefs but philosophical beefs.
1) Like at what point are you no longer human?
2) Or who design the implant/genetics? Cause I really don't trust corporation nor government...
3) And furthermore, would this create an elitism class between transhumanists and naturalists? Would there be strife?
1) When your conscious is no longer human.
2) Doctors? Not corporations, of course not, neither the government, but perhaps a special medical profession?
3) Of course. We, as Homo Sapiens, will always create strife over every issue. Should we allow this to block a very valuable medical and scientific breakthrough?
by DuThaal Craftworld » Tue May 07, 2013 7:41 pm
Natapoc wrote:DuThaal Craftworld wrote:Let's go! Mechanical, scientific, genetic- what's the downside?
Absolutely nothing.
I'm going to "hack" the transhumans and turn them all into my little slaves except they will enjoy it because I'll activate the pleasure centers of their artificial brains every time they do what I say. With my army of drones I'll build an empire, controlled via wifi or 4G if out of range!
It would be absolutely hilarious if someone made the argument that they would liberate the transhumans by getting them out of 4g and wifi range or blocking my signal.
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by Antares XII » Tue May 07, 2013 7:43 pm
Trotskylvania wrote:Antares XII wrote:
Again, you are a radically different person from who you were at the age of one. I don't see the problem here.
If you had read the post, you'd have seen exactly what the problem is. I said as much. The point is that we don't know how we'll change. Growing up, we become a mature version of the person we were, barring mishaps that fuck us up. But right now, we really don't know the pitfalls of how people might change.
If brain uploading or assimilation makes me the Ubermensch, then I am cool with it. But if it turns out that I might become a sociopath, or a manic-depressive android, then I'm out.
Natapoc wrote:It's just as likely attempts at assimilation would result in retardation at best, or a boost in intelligence for a year or so followed by irreversible failure and death or disability.
Alekera wrote:trans-humanism, at least to me is a double edged blade. It can be both good and bad...
Frisbeeteria wrote:"The community" has the ability, if not the strength, to simply not respond to trolls. I'm sure there are plenty of players who quietly sit back without responding and go on to other threads. We don't hear from them very often. They're the quiet 99%. Mostly we hear from people like the OP and a small group of discontented players about our many and various failures. I truly think that most of "the community" probably thinks we're doing a good job, or simply doesn't think about it at all.
by Natapoc » Tue May 07, 2013 7:44 pm
DuThaal Craftworld wrote:Natapoc wrote:
Absolutely nothing.
I'm going to "hack" the transhumans and turn them all into my little slaves except they will enjoy it because I'll activate the pleasure centers of their artificial brains every time they do what I say. With my army of drones I'll build an empire, controlled via wifi or 4G if out of range!
It would be absolutely hilarious if someone made the argument that they would liberate the transhumans by getting them out of 4g and wifi range or blocking my signal.
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Yes, because there's no way there would be a built in failsafe to someone doing that, or just, you know, not replacing your brain. Supplementing it? Maybe. Replacing it? Stupid, no?
by Natapoc » Tue May 07, 2013 7:47 pm
Alekera wrote:DuThaal Craftworld wrote:1) When your conscious is no longer human.
2) Doctors? Not corporations, of course not, neither the government, but perhaps a special medical profession?
3) Of course. We, as Homo Sapiens, will always create strife over every issue. Should we allow this to block a very valuable medical and scientific breakthrough?
*Allows Google to monitor all movement and information related to movement to get sent to third parties
To follow up:
1. good enough...
2. I know doctors would be doing the implanting/genetic alteration? But who would design the implants or alterations? If its Monsanto, I wouldn't since they can practically patent life. I also wouldn't trust Facebook or Google for their GPS chip*
3. Well if it comes to transhumanists being the majority and naturalists being the minority.... And lets say certain legislation passes making have some kind of chip in you. Yeah, things could get hairly which shouldn't need to....
by Phocidaea » Tue May 07, 2013 7:53 pm
Trotskylvania wrote:Transhumanists' central philosophical problem, which seems to be quite typified by this thread, is the inherent problem of extrapolating future conditions based on present trends.
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Absent a serious understanding of the complete mechanics of the speculative technologies they propose, and the long litany of necessary steps needed to reach there, the extrapolation argument amounts to a lot of handwaving.
Moore's Law is a casual observation about the capabilities of integrated circuits in the consumer products market. It is not a scientific law. And the technology it seeks to track has likely already begun reaching diminishing returns. Which is why computing has required an overwhelming turn to parellelization and neural networks to squeeze more juice out of conventional silicon computers. And absent a radical paradigm shift to a different method of computing, silicon will reach fundamental physical limits in the near future, and it will no longer be possible to further miniaturize transistors.
by Alekera » Tue May 07, 2013 7:59 pm
Natapoc wrote:Alekera wrote:
*Allows Google to monitor all movement and information related to movement to get sent to third parties
To follow up:
1. good enough...
2. I know doctors would be doing the implanting/genetic alteration? But who would design the implants or alterations? If its Monsanto, I wouldn't since they can practically patent life. I also wouldn't trust Facebook or Google for their GPS chip*
3. Well if it comes to transhumanists being the majority and naturalists being the minority.... And lets say certain legislation passes making have some kind of chip in you. Yeah, things could get hairly which shouldn't need to....
Denying your child a cerebral implant is child abuse! They will never be able to compete in the workplace, let alone graduate elementary school without augmented intelligence.
If you refuse, your child will be taken away from you by social services.
by Norstal » Tue May 07, 2013 8:00 pm
NVADF wrote:What do you guys think of transhumanism?
Personally, I think it sounds great.
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by AETEN II » Tue May 07, 2013 8:07 pm
"Quod Vult, Valde Valt"
Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P.
Nationstatelandsville wrote:"Why'd the chicken cross the street?"
"Because your dad's a whore."
"...He died a week ago."
"Of syphilis, I bet."
by Trollgaard » Tue May 07, 2013 8:10 pm
AETEN II wrote:Phocidaea wrote:
And here's another point where we disagree.
How the hell is the Culture not awesome? They're immortal technological gods that construct godly AI to create a perfect society where crime is rare if not unheard of, those wonderful simulation, lulzy body substitution. Oh, yeah, and orgies everywhere.
Isn't that the definition of heaven in most religions?
by Antares XII » Tue May 07, 2013 8:10 pm
AETEN II wrote:Phocidaea wrote:
And here's another point where we disagree.
How the hell is the Culture not awesome? They're immortal technological gods that construct godly AI to create a perfect society where crime is rare if not unheard of, those wonderful simulation, lulzy body substitution. Oh, yeah, and orgies everywhere.
Isn't that the definition of heaven in most religions?
Frisbeeteria wrote:"The community" has the ability, if not the strength, to simply not respond to trolls. I'm sure there are plenty of players who quietly sit back without responding and go on to other threads. We don't hear from them very often. They're the quiet 99%. Mostly we hear from people like the OP and a small group of discontented players about our many and various failures. I truly think that most of "the community" probably thinks we're doing a good job, or simply doesn't think about it at all.
by Regnum Dominae » Tue May 07, 2013 8:12 pm
Antares XII wrote:AETEN II wrote:How the hell is the Culture not awesome? They're immortal technological gods that construct godly AI to create a perfect society where crime is rare if not unheard of, those wonderful simulation, lulzy body substitution. Oh, yeah, and orgies everywhere.
Isn't that the definition of heaven in most religions?
Replace "orgies" with "scientific breakthroughs, technological advancements, and furtherment of knowledge and understanding", and it is in mine.
by Antares XII » Tue May 07, 2013 8:15 pm
Frisbeeteria wrote:"The community" has the ability, if not the strength, to simply not respond to trolls. I'm sure there are plenty of players who quietly sit back without responding and go on to other threads. We don't hear from them very often. They're the quiet 99%. Mostly we hear from people like the OP and a small group of discontented players about our many and various failures. I truly think that most of "the community" probably thinks we're doing a good job, or simply doesn't think about it at all.
by Norstal » Tue May 07, 2013 8:22 pm
Toronto Sun wrote:Best poster ever. ★★★★★
New York Times wrote:No one can beat him in debates. 5/5.
IGN wrote:Literally the best game I've ever played. 10/10
NSG Public wrote:What a fucking douchebag.
by AETEN II » Tue May 07, 2013 8:39 pm
Antares XII wrote:AETEN II wrote:How the hell is the Culture not awesome? They're immortal technological gods that construct godly AI to create a perfect society where crime is rare if not unheard of, those wonderful simulation, lulzy body substitution. Oh, yeah, and orgies everywhere.
Isn't that the definition of heaven in most religions?
Replace "orgies" with "scientific breakthroughs, technological advancements, and furtherment of knowledge and understanding", and it is in mine.
"Quod Vult, Valde Valt"
Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P.
Nationstatelandsville wrote:"Why'd the chicken cross the street?"
"Because your dad's a whore."
"...He died a week ago."
"Of syphilis, I bet."
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