22 year old commits suicide because the bible told him to

[Laerod]

He made a conscious decision that he knew would end his life. How is that not suicide?

Your own post says he wasn't suicidal.

There's more than one definition of suicide. One is the active attempt to end your own life, the other is to engage in behavior that will result in death sooner or later. The use in the title fits the latter.

[Tubbsalot]

If the man wanted to live, why refuse the blood transfusion?

I would guess he just felt so bound by religious dogma that he felt like he didn't actually have a choice.

Or maybe he just didn't want a blood transfusion?

I'd hate to see you when someone decides they don't want a sandwich. "You don't want a sandwich??? Don't worry, I'll protect you! Who's threatening you?! Is it the terrorists? The cannibals? The time-travelling Hitlers?! They won't get past me, you can eat all the sandwiches you like!"

[Sideonia]

Has also happened to someone from Denmark...

[Farnhamia]

Has also happened to someone from Denmark...

I'm sure it happens more often than we think. This person just happened to make the news.

[Samuraikoku]

There's more than one definition of suicide. One is the active attempt to end your own life, the other is to engage in behavior that will result in death sooner or later. The use in the title fits the latter.

Isn't the second one a little too broad? (Smoking being suicidal comes to mind).

I don't necessarily disagree, but there's a contradiction in the OP. If as a result of being a Jehovah Witness he chose to accept his fate over his own life, then he didn't really want to live (without sacrificing his faith).

[Sideonia]

Has also happened to someone from Denmark...

I'm sure it happens more often than we think. This person just happened to make the news.

Thats rigth.

[Laerod]

There's more than one definition of suicide. One is the active attempt to end your own life, the other is to engage in behavior that will result in death sooner or later. The use in the title fits the latter.

Isn't the second one a little too broad? (Smoking being suicidal comes to mind).

I don't necessarily disagree, but there's a contradiction in the OP. If as a result of being a Jehovah Witness he chose to accept his fate over his own life, then he didn't really want to live (without sacrificing his faith).

It's not a legal term. The point of the matter is that it isn't completely incorrect to refer to behavior (like smoking) that will likely result in death as suicidal.

[Khadgar]

There's more than one definition of suicide. One is the active attempt to end your own life, the other is to engage in behavior that will result in death sooner or later. The use in the title fits the latter.

Isn't the second one a little too broad? (Smoking being suicidal comes to mind).

I don't necessarily disagree, but there's a contradiction in the OP. If as a result of being a Jehovah Witness he chose to accept his fate over his own life, then he didn't really want to live (without sacrificing his faith).

I like the discworld definition. Being too stupid to live is a suicide.

Murder was in fact a fairly uncommon event in Ankh-Morpork, but there were a lot of suicides. Walking in the night-time alleyways of the Shades was suicide. Asking for a short beer in a dwarf bar was suicide. Saying "Got rocks in your head?" to a troll was suicide. You could commit suicide very easily, if you weren't careful.
— Men at Arms

[Call to power]

commits suicide

Mate, you're being a bit of a cock ent ya?

This is what happens when cults religions go too far. This man wasn't suicidal, he wanted to live, but because his religion told him he couldn't have a simple blood transfusion, he's now dead. I'm not questioning a persons right to refuse treatment, for whatever reasons, but I can't help but wonder about the mental state of a man who let himself die for no reason on the say-so of a book.

He probably had some convictions he was willing to risk dying for.

He was pretty much brainwashed by the community into which he was born.

Please stop being so edgy, we have minors visiting this site.

There's more than one definition of suicide. One is the active attempt to end your own life, the other is to engage in behavior that will result in death sooner or later. The use in the title fits the latter.

Only the latter is absolutely absurd and not in any dictionary you will find. Don't get me wrong it is used but its utterly incorrect.

[Terruana]

He made a conscious decision that he knew would end his life. How is that not suicide?

Your own post says he wasn't suicidal.

You don't have to be suicidal to commit suicide.

So, if the Bible says that all men are equal, does it means we have to act the opposite or what?

Huh? I'm not sure I understand.

Quote for me the chapter and verse wherein the Bible says no transfusions.

I'm not a Jehovah's witness, so I really don't know why you're asking me.
According to wikipedia, it's Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:10, and Acts 15:29.

[Laerod]

There's more than one definition of suicide. One is the active attempt to end your own life, the other is to engage in behavior that will result in death sooner or later. The use in the title fits the latter.

Only the latter is absolutely absurd and not in any dictionary you will find. Don't get me wrong it is used but its utterly incorrect.

Challenge accepted:

suicide, n.
1. the intentional taking of one's own life.
2. destruction of one's own interests or prospects: Buying that house was financial suicide.
3. a person who intentionally takes his or her own life.

[Terruana]

I would guess he just felt so bound by religious dogma that he felt like he didn't actually have a choice.

Or maybe he just didn't want a blood transfusion?

I'd hate to see you when someone decides they don't want a sandwich. "You don't want a sandwich??? Don't worry, I'll protect you! Who's threatening you?! Is it the terrorists? The cannibals? The time-travelling Hitlers?! They won't get past me, you can eat all the sandwiches you like!"

Laugh all you like, but time-travelling Hitlers are a real threat to the sandwich eating community.

Anyways, he wanted to live, but he refused the blood transfusion that would have saved his life. Unless you can give me a plausible reason, other than religious dogma, as to why he would refuse treatment if he didn't want to die, then I'm gonna stick with what I said.

[Big Jim P]

There are so many people in the world willing to kill innocents in the name of religion, can we not let rest someone who simply died for his?

[Radiatia]

That's unfortunate, but it's his fault.

I don't agree with that. Cults and religions can be very convincing and deceptive, so I blame the cult not the victim.

[Farnhamia]

Isn't the second one a little too broad? (Smoking being suicidal comes to mind).

I don't necessarily disagree, but there's a contradiction in the OP. If as a result of being a Jehovah Witness he chose to accept his fate over his own life, then he didn't really want to live (without sacrificing his faith).

I like the discworld definition. Being too stupid to live is a suicide.

Murder was in fact a fairly uncommon event in Ankh-Morpork, but there were a lot of suicides. Walking in the night-time alleyways of the Shades was suicide. Asking for a short beer in a dwarf bar was suicide. Saying "Got rocks in your head?" to a troll was suicide. You could commit suicide very easily, if you weren't careful.
— Men at Arms

Who uses the phrase "short beer" anymore?

[Laerod]

There are so many people in the world willing to kill innocents in the name of religion, can we not let rest someone who simply died for his?

It's not wrong to desire to prevent preventable deaths.

[Terruana]

commits suicide

Mate, you're being a bit of a cock ent ya?

Well aren't you a charmer

This is what happens when cults religions go too far. This man wasn't suicidal, he wanted to live, but because his religion told him he couldn't have a simple blood transfusion, he's now dead. I'm not questioning a persons right to refuse treatment, for whatever reasons, but I can't help but wonder about the mental state of a man who let himself die for no reason on the say-so of a book.

He probably had some convictions he was willing to risk dying for.

He probably did. And suicide bombers have convictions that they are willing to kill for, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to criticise them for doing it.

[Khadgar]

Quote for me the chapter and verse wherein the Bible says no transfusions.

I'm not a Jehovah's witness, so I really don't know why you're asking me.
According to wikipedia, it's Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:10, and Acts 15:29.

The point I was making is that the Bible never says anything about blood transfusions. Blaming the Bible is disingenuous.

29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

“‘I will set my face against any Israelite or any foreigner residing among them who eats blood, and I will cut them off from the people.

“But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.

The Bible is against eating blood, very clearly. It never even hints at blood transfusions being forbidden. Blame the cult, not the book. There's plenty to blame the Bible for, this isn't one of those things.

[Greed and Death]

His body his choice. Forcing someone to accept a foreign substance into them against their will is tantamont to rape.

[Farnhamia]

Mate, you're being a bit of a cock ent ya?

Well aren't you a charmer

He probably had some convictions he was willing to risk dying for.

He probably did. And suicide bombers have convictions that they are willing to kill for, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to criticise them for doing it.

Criticize away. You shouldn't be surprised when people look askance at you (I'm sure you weren't).

[Terruana]

I'm not a Jehovah's witness, so I really don't know why you're asking me.
According to wikipedia, it's Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:10, and Acts 15:29.

The point I was making is that the Bible never says anything about blood transfusions. Blaming the Bible is disingenuous.

29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

“‘I will set my face against any Israelite or any foreigner residing among them who eats blood, and I will cut them off from the people.

“But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.

The Bible is against eating blood, very clearly. It never even hints at blood transfusions being forbidden. Blame the cult, not the book. There's plenty to blame the Bible for, this isn't one of those things.

Then your point is redundant. Whether or not the bible does prohibit blood transfusions, this guy believed it did, therefore he was killing himself because the bible was telling him to. I'm not blaming the bible, I'm blaming the belief that blood transfusions are evil.

[Big Jim P]

There are so many people in the world willing to kill innocents in the name of religion, can we not let rest someone who simply died for his?

It's not wrong to desire to prevent preventable deaths.

Nor is it wrong to let someone live and die by their beliefs. You would deny this man his belief and keep him alive? Why? You would trade your "I feel good, I saved a life" and make someone live even if that life was a denial of what he believed?

[Big Jim P]

His body his choice. Forcing someone to accept a foreign substance into them against their will is tantamont to rape.

Worse than rape.

[Terruana]

It's not wrong to desire to prevent preventable deaths.

Nor is it wrong to let someone live and die by their beliefs. You would deny this man his belief and keep him alive? Why? You would trade your "I feel good, I saved a life" and make someone live even if that life was a denial of what he believed?

Like I said, I'm not questioning his right to refuse treatment. I'm questioning the morals of the community that gave him that belief.

[Khadgar]

The point I was making is that the Bible never says anything about blood transfusions. Blaming the Bible is disingenuous.





The Bible is against eating blood, very clearly. It never even hints at blood transfusions being forbidden. Blame the cult, not the book. There's plenty to blame the Bible for, this isn't one of those things.

Then your point is redundant. Whether or not the bible does prohibit blood transfusions, this guy believed it did, therefore he was killing himself because the bible was telling him to. I'm not blaming the bible, I'm blaming the belief that blood transfusions are evil.

He killed himself because his preacher told him to. If he'd read the bible, he'd know better. Your OP is blaming the wrong source.