THE MUSIC IS GOING WRONG?

[Conserative Morality]

This forum is too preoccupied with Metal, specifically bands formed in the late 80's but the majority from the 90's. Open your minds people. There's a whole world of music out there that isn't pretending it discovered the Drop D tuning for the first time!

Actually, my favored Metal Bands were formed in the late 70s/Early 80s.

[Nation of Quebec]

It's not just music. It's entertainment in general. The braindead masses don't want Zeppelin or Citizen Kane anymore. They want Jonas Brothers and Twilight. They want to think as little as possible so that they can spend more time twittering.

Luckily, fads like Jonas Brothers and Twilight burn fast and die fast. Unfortunately, they are like roaches. For each one you kill, there's a dozen ready to take its place.

Quality has staying power. What do people remember about the 60s and 70s? Beatles, Hendrix, Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, etc. They remember the good, the bands and people who got popular not by following the fad of the day but by making good music, sometimes even creating new genres and subgenres. Zeppelin gave us heavy metal (whether they like it or not). Metallica gave us thrash. And they are who will be remembered long after the Jonas Brothers lose their cute appeal, their post-cute sex appeal, and are quickly forgotten.

Pretty much this. Music these days seems to be nothing but fads, with the artists and producers caring more about money now more than they ever did. It's not about the music anymore. It's about selling out to the highest bidder. It's about inserting subliminal messages in the hopes to persuade the braindead fans of popular music to those opinions. That's not what music should be about. People should make music for the love of said music, regardless of the genre.

Where are the Rolling Stones, the Beatles, the Led Zeppelins, the Bruce Springsteens of our time? Instead we're stuck with popular tripe like the Jonas Brothers, Miley Cyrus, and Lady GaGa. If it weren't for the older bands still making new stuff I'd say that rock is pretty much dead. The popular bands and musicians of today can't hold a candle to the bands and musicians of the sixties and seventies.

Where will half these boy bands be remembered for once they lose their sex appeal? Will anyone even care about Miley Cyrus once she's older? If it wasn't for Disney backing them with their audience in mind and effective marketing, I seriously doubt that either of them would be what they are now.

As long as there are braindead teenagers around, there will be these terrible fads in music and entertainment out there ready to exploit them and their parents.

[Maurepas]

Youre just not looking in the right places, there have been some good bands, like Chevelle, Seether, Disturbed, etc...

You aren't helping my view here, Maurepas.

Sorry, mon frere, I actually have a fairly broad range of musical taste, but, those are some of the newer bands that I like...

Some other recently discovered good bands for me are Cage the Elephant, Five Horse Johnson, Otis Taylor, 10 Rue d'la Madeleine, Atomship, Stereohype, Fall as Well, etc...

Then there are also some older bands like Creedence Clearwater Revival, Blind Melon, Bush, Foo fighters, The Smashing Pumpkins, the White Stripes, The Seatbelts, Rage Against the Machine Massive Attack, Pantera, and of course, Led Zepplin, Sabbath, Rush, Blue Oyster Cult, Clapton, Hendrix, the Doors, the Who, etc...

All of whom come highly recommended by me,

[Pink Lillies]

It's not just music. It's entertainment in general. The braindead masses don't want Zeppelin or Citizen Kane anymore. They want Jonas Brothers and Twilight. They want to think as little as possible so that they can spend more time twittering.

Luckily, fads like Jonas Brothers and Twilight burn fast and die fast. Unfortunately, they are like roaches. For each one you kill, there's a dozen ready to take its place.

Quality has staying power. What do people remember about the 60s and 70s? Beatles, Hendrix, Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, etc. They remember the good, the bands and people who got popular not by following the fad of the day but by making good music, sometimes even creating new genres and subgenres. Zeppelin gave us heavy metal (whether they like it or not). Metallica gave us thrash. And they are who will be remembered long after the Jonas Brothers lose their cute appeal, their post-cute sex appeal, and are quickly forgotten.

Pretty much this. Music these days seems to be nothing but fads, with the artists and producers caring more about money now more than they ever did. It's not about the music anymore. It's about selling out to the highest bidder. It's about inserting subliminal messages in the hopes to persuade the braindead fans of popular music to those opinions. That's not what music should be about. People should make music for the love of said music, regardless of the genre.

Where are the Rolling Stones, the Beatles, the Led Zeppelins, the Bruce Springsteens of our time? Instead we're stuck with popular tripe like the Jonas Brothers, Miley Cyrus, and Lady GaGa. If it weren't for the older bands still making new stuff I'd say that rock is pretty much dead. The popular bands and musicians of today can't hold a candle to the bands and musicians of the sixties and seventies.

Where will half these boy bands be remembered for once they lose their sex appeal? Will anyone even care about Miley Cyrus once she's older? If it wasn't for Disney backing them with their audience in mind and effective marketing, I seriously doubt that either of them would be what they are now.

As long as there are braindead teenagers around, there will be these terrible fads in music and entertainment out there ready to exploit them and their parents.

Actually the mian "porblem" is the quite the opposite. The music industry is incredibly fragmented and there is an unprecidented volume of music available and it is far far mroe affordable than it has ever been.

Currently there is more new good music being produced than anyone can possibly imagine but as the indsutry has fragmented in to genres and cliques very little of it has the universal appeal required to be noticed beyond its defined boundaries.

Bland corporate pop isn't anything new, its been with us from the 50s and its blandness is its selling point, its safe and easy to understand and enjoy plus it will reach the widest possible market.

The sex appeal thing will always be a factor and if you cna use it to generate enough of a fan base when you are young you cna keep that fan base right up to old age i.e. Cliff Richard. For all that Sir Cliff is lauded now there were plenty of angry young men who bitched and moaned about him at the begining in the same way we bitch about Simon Cowell's latest excretion, the only difference being that they were teddy boys and greasers who listened to that terrible rebellious Rock and Roll instead of being goths and metallers who listen to that community destroying Metal

[Wikipedia and Universe]

It's not just music. It's entertainment in general. The braindead masses don't want Zeppelin or Citizen Kane anymore. They want Jonas Brothers and Twilight. They want to think as little as possible so that they can spend more time twittering.

Luckily, fads like Jonas Brothers and Twilight burn fast and die fast. Unfortunately, they are like roaches. For each one you kill, there's a dozen ready to take its place.

Quality has staying power. What do people remember about the 60s and 70s? Beatles, Hendrix, Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, etc. They remember the good, the bands and people who got popular not by following the fad of the day but by making good music, sometimes even creating new genres and subgenres. Zeppelin gave us heavy metal (whether they like it or not). Metallica gave us thrash. And they are who will be remembered long after the Jonas Brothers lose their cute appeal, their post-cute sex appeal, and are quickly forgotten.

Pretty much this. Music these days seems to be nothing but fads, with the artists and producers caring more about money now more than they ever did. It's not about the music anymore. It's about selling out to the highest bidder. It's about inserting subliminal messages in the hopes to persuade the braindead fans of popular music to those opinions. That's not what music should be about. People should make music for the love of said music, regardless of the genre.

Where are the Rolling Stones, the Beatles, the Led Zeppelins, the Bruce Springsteens of our time? Instead we're stuck with popular tripe like the Jonas Brothers, Miley Cyrus, and Lady GaGa. If it weren't for the older bands still making new stuff I'd say that rock is pretty much dead. The popular bands and musicians of today can't hold a candle to the bands and musicians of the sixties and seventies.

Where will half these boy bands be remembered for once they lose their sex appeal? Will anyone even care about Miley Cyrus once she's older? If it wasn't for Disney backing them with their audience in mind and effective marketing, I seriously doubt that either of them would be what they are now.

As long as there are braindead teenagers around, there will be these terrible fads in music and entertainment out there ready to exploit them and their parents.

I agree with you. I can't stand the culture surrounding this. Everything from so-called music artists like The Jonas Brothers, Zac Efron, Miley Cyrus, and that other douche who does You Had a Bad Day to movies like Twilight and High-School Musical to even retailers like Abercrombie and Fitch drive me up a wall. It seems as if they are taking over, I mean, they have their little bullshit rallies at Rockefeller plaza every single morning, trying to shove this shit down our throats. For some reason I seem to be immune. Douches like the Jonas Brothers seem to look cute for teenage girls, and then go wearing rings that say that they can't f*ck anybody. I don't care what they say they're reasons are, it's obviously a crappy ploy by Disney that basically says: "This is our insurance policy that our employees won't go tapping your daughters!" Pure bullshit.

[Nation of Quebec]

It's not just music. It's entertainment in general. The braindead masses don't want Zeppelin or Citizen Kane anymore. They want Jonas Brothers and Twilight. They want to think as little as possible so that they can spend more time twittering.

Luckily, fads like Jonas Brothers and Twilight burn fast and die fast. Unfortunately, they are like roaches. For each one you kill, there's a dozen ready to take its place.

Quality has staying power. What do people remember about the 60s and 70s? Beatles, Hendrix, Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, etc. They remember the good, the bands and people who got popular not by following the fad of the day but by making good music, sometimes even creating new genres and subgenres. Zeppelin gave us heavy metal (whether they like it or not). Metallica gave us thrash. And they are who will be remembered long after the Jonas Brothers lose their cute appeal, their post-cute sex appeal, and are quickly forgotten.

Pretty much this. Music these days seems to be nothing but fads, with the artists and producers caring more about money now more than they ever did. It's not about the music anymore. It's about selling out to the highest bidder. It's about inserting subliminal messages in the hopes to persuade the braindead fans of popular music to those opinions. That's not what music should be about. People should make music for the love of said music, regardless of the genre.

Where are the Rolling Stones, the Beatles, the Led Zeppelins, the Bruce Springsteens of our time? Instead we're stuck with popular tripe like the Jonas Brothers, Miley Cyrus, and Lady GaGa. If it weren't for the older bands still making new stuff I'd say that rock is pretty much dead. The popular bands and musicians of today can't hold a candle to the bands and musicians of the sixties and seventies.

Where will half these boy bands be remembered for once they lose their sex appeal? Will anyone even care about Miley Cyrus once she's older? If it wasn't for Disney backing them with their audience in mind and effective marketing, I seriously doubt that either of them would be what they are now.

As long as there are braindead teenagers around, there will be these terrible fads in music and entertainment out there ready to exploit them and their parents.

Actually the mian "porblem" is the quite the opposite. The music industry is incredibly fragmented and there is an unprecidented volume of music available and it is far far mroe affordable than it has ever been.

Currently there is more new good music being produced than anyone can possibly imagine but as the indsutry has fragmented in to genres and cliques very little of it has the universal appeal required to be noticed beyond its defined boundaries.

Bland corporate pop isn't anything new, its been with us from the 50s and its blandness is its selling point, its safe and easy to understand and enjoy plus it will reach the widest possible market.

The sex appeal thing will always be a factor and if you cna use it to generate enough of a fan base when you are young you cna keep that fan base right up to old age i.e. Cliff Richard. For all that Sir Cliff is lauded now there were plenty of angry young men who bitched and moaned about him at the begining in the same way we bitch about Simon Cowell's latest excretion, the only difference being that they were teddy boys and greasers who listened to that terrible rebellious Rock and Roll instead of being goths and metallers who listen to that community destroying Metal

I'm not denying that there aren't any good new bands coming out. My issue is that these bands and musicians aren't getting any or little recognition. All the attention does to the crap like the Jonas Brothers and Lady GaGa and all the other new crap dominating the charts. It's much harder for new talent to get recognized especially if they're in a genre that isn't pop, dance, or rap. How are they supposed to compete with the popular bands for the recognition they deserve?

[The Araucania]

all that pop singers are instruments of the state for make stupid people.
remember NWO.

[Malikov]

The bigwigs that promote these crap artists put them on the top of the charts, and the braindead masses listen to it because of it's standing. They assume that because it made the tops of the charts that it's good. The entire system is corrupt.

[Nation of Quebec]

The bigwigs that promote these crap artists put them on the top of the charts, and the braindead masses listen to it because of it's standing. They assume that because it made the tops of the charts that it's good. The entire system is corrupt.

Agreed. Popularity does not equal quality.

[The Araucania]

The bigwigs that promote these crap artists put them on the top of the charts, and the braindead masses listen to it because of it's standing. They assume that because it made the tops of the charts that it's good. The entire system is corrupt.

on accord

[Rejistania]

The bigwigs that promote these crap artists put them on the top of the charts, and the braindead masses listen to it because of it's standing. They assume that because it made the tops of the charts that it's good. The entire system is corrupt.

They don't listen to it because it because they think it must be good, but because they like it and because it does help the mood.

[Milks Empire]

Don't kill Kanye West. Tattoo the Presidential Seal on his back with the words "Official State Jackass" below it.

I endorse this plan!

[ClitorisPlant]

you don't listen to pop/mainstream music just as you wouldn't watch a romantic comedy. music is manufactured as a product much like the dog food on supermarket shelves. it has some appealing packaging and inside is some fodder that's been assembled in china. in this case, in the recording studio. that's not to say ALL big artists are devoid of meaning and all small artists must implicitly have meaning but the fact of the matter is that it is a commodified industry and not an artform. of course, even art is difficult to define. the only thing you can do is search for something that appeals to you and not worry too much about what masses consume.

[The Araucania]

you don't listen to pop/mainstream music just as you wouldn't watch a romantic comedy. music is manufactured as a product much like the dog food on supermarket shelves. it has some appealing packaging and inside is some fodder that's been assembled in china. in this case, in the recording studio. that's not to say ALL big artists are devoid of meaning and all small artists must implicitly have meaning but the fact of the matter is that it is a commodified industry and not an artform. of course, even art is difficult to define. the only thing you can do is search for something that appeals to you and not worry too much about what masses consume.

im worried because is too dangerous for a society have a 90% of stupids because they would do all that the govmernment says.

[Daistallia 2104]

Of course the pop-crap will e pop-crap. That doesn't mean all current music is pop-crap. I'm inclined to sic my little bro, the composer, on ya'll...

[Rejistania]

you don't listen to pop/mainstream music just as you wouldn't watch a romantic comedy. music is manufactured as a product much like the dog food on supermarket shelves. it has some appealing packaging and inside is some fodder that's been assembled in china. in this case, in the recording studio. that's not to say ALL big artists are devoid of meaning and all small artists must implicitly have meaning but the fact of the matter is that it is a commodified industry and not an artform. of course, even art is difficult to define. the only thing you can do is search for something that appeals to you and not worry too much about what masses consume.

im worried because is too dangerous for a society have a 90% of stupids because they would do all that the govmernment says.

You can listen to stupid music and not be stupid. I love listening to music, which has nothing special because it is uplifting to my mood, especially when writing. I don't think that this makes me stupid. (If you don't believe me, follow the link in my signature to the language I created (and be a bit lenient concerning the grammar there as English is not my first language), has a stupid person done that?) Also, even crappy music can have insight. I still use something as motto from an Ace of Base song: "Life is demanding without understanding". Songs are only as bad as your interpretation.

I think that people just call things stupid because they don't like it.

[Czardas]

you don't listen to pop/mainstream music just as you wouldn't watch a romantic comedy. music is manufactured as a product much like the dog food on supermarket shelves. it has some appealing packaging and inside is some fodder that's been assembled in china. in this case, in the recording studio. that's not to say ALL big artists are devoid of meaning and all small artists must implicitly have meaning but the fact of the matter is that it is a commodified industry and not an artform. of course, even art is difficult to define. the only thing you can do is search for something that appeals to you and not worry too much about what masses consume.

im worried because is too dangerous for a society have a 90% of stupids because they would do all that the govmernment says.

The irony of this post amuses me to no end.

Also, yes, 90% of mainstream music has always been crap, and 100% of media-manufactured kiddie pop has always been crap. People don't buy music based on quality; they buy it based on popularity, so all one has to do to ensure success is to manufacture popularity. It's worth noting that not much has changed though -- even a band like the Beatles, one of the most popular in history and one widely considered to be among the greatest, had a small handful of good, "classic" songs with the vast majority being trite, bland, boring and somewhat generic.

[The Republic of Lanos]

and then there's the 10% of the music that kicks ass.

Michael Jackson anyone?

[Rejistania]

and then there's the 10% of the music that kicks ass.

Michael Jackson anyone?

Michael Jackson made a lot of crap as well...

[Malikov]

and then there's the 10% of the music that kicks ass.

Michael Jackson anyone?

Michael Jackson made a lot of crap as well...

What? EVERYTHING Michael Jackson made was crap.

[The Republic of Lanos]

and then there's the 10% of the music that kicks ass.

Michael Jackson anyone?

Michael Jackson made a lot of crap as well...

What? EVERYTHING Michael Jackson made was crap.

No...

[Malikov]

and then there's the 10% of the music that kicks ass.

Michael Jackson anyone?

Michael Jackson made a lot of crap as well...

What? EVERYTHING Michael Jackson made was crap.

No...

Then by default i am obliged to consider you one of the ignorants, that only listens to what MTV tells them to listen to.

[Milks Empire]

and then there's the 10% of the music that kicks ass.
Michael Jackson anyone?

Michael Jackson made a lot of crap as well...

What? EVERYTHING Michael Jackson made was crap.

No...

It is possible for really good artists to make straight-up shit, you know.

[The Araucania]

and then there's the 10% of the music that kicks ass.

Michael Jackson anyone?

Michael Jackson made a lot of crap as well...

What? EVERYTHING Michael Jackson made was crap.

No...

Then by default i am obliged to consider you one of the ignorants, that only listens to what MTV tells them to listen to.

yeah! ,f***ing viacom, f***ing fox f***ing ted turner.

[Supreme Geekery]

I listen to a lot of what I consider to be "pop" music. Once upon a time, I paid no attention to the stuff because I had no idea there was a difference between what I now think of as Disneypop and good singer-songwriter pop music. There is a world of difference between Miley Cyrus (Disneypop) and, say, KT Tunstall. Tunstall writes her own stuff, plays her own instruments, and can rock a live show without gimmicks. Well, other than the loop pedal, but that's at least music-oriented.) And she has popular appeal. Maybe not as popular as Cyrus now, but she has more staying power a la Sheryl Crow. Even in the realm of Top-40 radio a few gems can be found! The rest is just a flash in the pan, and will go away soon. While it's fun to complain about the Jonas Brothers (and to participate in the complaining about the music today in general), take comfort in the fact that Disneypop is ephemeral.