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Postby DesAnges » Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:03 pm

The Outer Isles wrote:


After looking/skimming through these I stand by my statement that most music is mass produced trash.

Fuck it, I give up. Music is dying.
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Postby Immoren » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:19 pm

The Outer Isles wrote:


After looking/skimming through these I stand by my statement that most music is mass produced trash.


Like it always was and always will be.
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Postby Azrael » Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:16 pm

The Outer Isles wrote:
After looking/skimming through these I stand by my statement that most music is mass produced trash.

After looking at pictures you conclude that sounds are garbage?
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Postby San » Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:21 pm

Azrael wrote:
The Outer Isles wrote:
After looking/skimming through these I stand by my statement that most music is mass produced trash.

After looking at pictures you conclude that sounds are garbage?

their auditory perception is so refined that mere pixels can inform them of a work's sonic quality.
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Postby DesAnges » Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:43 pm

Azrael wrote:
The Outer Isles wrote:
After looking/skimming through these I stand by my statement that most music is mass produced trash.

After looking at pictures you conclude that sounds are garbage?

It took me two and a half hours to do the whole year and that was at a very brief glance.
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:43 pm

Nah, it's just selection bias. People only remember the good music from years past...for example, the works of the great classical composers are pretty small in number compared to the amount of time, something like a good 400 years. There's a whole lot of mediocre, forgettable, or downright terrible music from that period that hasn't survived to the present.
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Postby Corrian » Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:31 pm

The Outer Isles wrote:I do not enjoy looking for a needle in a hay stack or in this case 2-3 'okay' songs in a pile of trash.

The problem here is the fact that you think there's only 2 to 3 okay songs in a pile of trash in...the entire world?

There's thousands of good songs and if you give me a type of music you like I can probably give you suggestions, and it would really take you not much time at all to find yourself if you tried.

For example, I have found tons and tons of bands with a bit of exploration, from my dad, from pages, including this page, you name it. It really isn't that hard. The only reason it is hard is because you're not trying.

If you're not that into listening to music, that's okay, but there's an abundance of good music out there that isn't as hard to find as you think it is.
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Postby Corrian » Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:37 pm

Prime Mountains wrote:I mean, I can find good music after I go through tons and tons of "Party all night and have sex and drink" music, Lorde is one of the better artists. Maroon 5 is great, honestly. But it depends on the person.

If you have to go through tons and tons of that kind of music you're clearly looking in the wrong spots. I rarely ever hear any of those whatsoever and I've discovered thousands of songs in the last few years.

Lorde is definitely a stand out. Her videos are interesting and her music as far as mainstream pop music goes I find to be actually generally enjoyable.

Maroon 5 I think personally is crap, though. They don't have anything interesting about them for me.

And even if Lorde interests me more there's still a pop album of this year that I like leagues better.

Or a sort of synthpop/avant-garde/ambient album.

Vetalia wrote:Nah, it's just selection bias. People only remember the good music from years past...for example, the works of the great classical composers are pretty small in number compared to the amount of time, something like a good 400 years. There's a whole lot of mediocre, forgettable, or downright terrible music from that period that hasn't survived to the present.

There's a lot of good modern classical composers, as well.

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After looking/skimming through these I stand by my statement that most music is mass produced trash.

:palm: I don't think I should even bother anymore.
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Postby Eternal hills » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:22 am

Yep,I really see what you mean
Is Music, as a genre, dying?

Now, when I say dying, I'm talking about the quality of music, really. With a saturation of mainstream* artists resorting to using autotune and phasing out of actual instruments, I feel music, as a genre and the quality of it, is dying.

Perhaps this is just the ramblings of a musically-inclined teen, but when I see the music that is produced today, what I don't see is the Beatles, the Jimi Hendrixes, the Elvises, etc.

What do you think, NS? Is the quality of music slacking as of late
..I used to think so too,probably for the same reasons as you-basically the era of great music is long gone,which is something you'll notice seeing how almost all the members of great bands are either dead or in serious "decay",eg. George Harrison,Robert Plant etc. Now of course I don't know what genre of music you prefer but in my opinion good music reached its zenith in the '70s and since then it has slowly but surely lost a lot of quality. My primary solution to this is really to just listen to the good old stuff,with as many variations as possible-and if you're lucky occasionally you'll find some awesome song by a contemporary artist(!)

If you told me what music you're into I could perhaps recommend something to "keep you going"..
(Btw,I'm also a girl ;) ..)
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Postby Decanect » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:54 am

I'm pretty sure 14 year old boys have been saying that since the dawn of time itself.

Mainstream chart music has always been pretty mediocre, it's just that the crap stuff just gets (for the most part) forgotten about through the decades. Pink Floyd weren't dominating the radio in 1973, even with strong album sales.

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Postby Fortitudinem » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:02 pm

Music? Music in no longer good, leave the world with the few good bands left and we've got less than 2% of the total.

Music IS dying.
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:04 pm

Fortitudinem wrote:Music? Music in no longer good, leave the world with the few good bands left and we've got less than 2% of the total.

Music IS dying.


Ermmm yeah, sure. I'm still enjoying my musics. Are you one of those quantity over quality people?

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Postby Frihetskommunen » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:18 pm

Fortitudinem wrote:Music? Music in no longer good, leave the world with the few good bands left and we've got less than 2% of the total.

Music IS dying.

The same would happen if you would have done this 50 years ago, or 300 years ago. The reason people look back at the old days and only see good music is that that is the only music that has survived. There is little point in preserving mediocre or bad music. So when people see all the good music from the 60's or 70's, they are only seeing a small fraction of all the music there was back then. Most music back then was garbage too, doesn't mean music is dying.
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Postby Corrian » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:22 pm

Eternal hills wrote: ..I used to think so too,probably for the same reasons as you-basically the era of great music is long gone,which is something you'll notice seeing how almost all the members of great bands are either dead or in serious "decay",eg. George Harrison,Robert Plant etc. Now of course I don't know what genre of music you prefer but in my opinion good music reached its zenith in the '70s and since then it has slowly but surely lost a lot of quality. My primary solution to this is really to just listen to the good old stuff,with as many variations as possible-and if you're lucky occasionally you'll find some awesome song by a contemporary artist(!)

If you told me what music you're into I could perhaps recommend something to "keep you going"..
(Btw,I'm also a girl ;) ..)

I listen to hundreds of good bands and thousands of good songs and most of them are from the 2000's.

The great era of music was not specifically the 70's.

JUST listening to old music would be boring as well.

I'll listen to many variations of music in all generations, thanks.

Fortitudinem wrote:Music? Music in no longer good, leave the world with the few good bands left and we've got less than 2% of the total.

Music IS dying.

If you think music is no longer good then you're not even trying to look.
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Postby Fortitudinem » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:53 am

Luveria wrote:
Fortitudinem wrote:Music? Music in no longer good, leave the world with the few good bands left and we've got less than 2% of the total.

Music IS dying.


Ermmm yeah, sure. I'm still enjoying my musics. Are you one of those quantity over quality people?


No, I'm one of those people who hates rap and all those stupid celebrities. Instead I prefer interesting stuff like an instrumental or Pat Benetar. Not the low-quality music today's popular "musicians" produce.
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One ring to rule them all and in the darkness bind them,
In the land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
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Postby Person012345 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:59 am

Fortitudinem wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Ermmm yeah, sure. I'm still enjoying my musics. Are you one of those quantity over quality people?


No, I'm one of those people who hates rap and all those stupid celebrities. Instead I prefer interesting stuff like an instrumental or Pat Benetar. Not the low-quality music today's popular "musicians" produce.

Almost all the singles I have bought recently come with an instrumental version of each song (standard to have the main song + another song or 2 then an instrumental version of each).

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Postby DesAnges » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:59 am

Fortitudinem wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Ermmm yeah, sure. I'm still enjoying my musics. Are you one of those quantity over quality people?


No, I'm one of those people who hates rap and all those stupid celebrities. Instead I prefer interesting stuff like an instrumental or Pat Benetar. Not the low-quality music today's popular "musicians" produce.

Why do you profess to hate an entire, sprawling, nuanced genre?
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Postby Fortitudinem » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:43 am

Person012345 wrote:
Fortitudinem wrote:
No, I'm one of those people who hates rap and all those stupid celebrities. Instead I prefer interesting stuff like an instrumental or Pat Benetar. Not the low-quality music today's popular "musicians" produce.

Almost all the singles I have bought recently come with an instrumental version of each song (standard to have the main song + another song or 2 then an instrumental version of each).


Cool.

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Fortitudinem wrote:
No, I'm one of those people who hates rap and all those stupid celebrities. Instead I prefer interesting stuff like an instrumental or Pat Benetar. Not the low-quality music today's popular "musicians" produce.

Why do you profess to hate an entire, sprawling, nuanced genre?


Tell me what music is without instruments.
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One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne,
In the land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One ring to rule them all, One ring to find them,
One ring to rule them all and in the darkness bind them,
In the land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
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Postby Person012345 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:11 am

Fortitudinem wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Almost all the singles I have bought recently come with an instrumental version of each song (standard to have the main song + another song or 2 then an instrumental version of each).


Cool.


Therefore your assertion that music is dying because you like instrumentals is just silly. See?

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Postby Fortitudinem » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:25 am

Person012345 wrote:
Fortitudinem wrote:
Cool.


Therefore your assertion that music is dying because you like instrumentals is just silly. See?


I wish I could listen to some C418 right now...
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One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne,
In the land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One ring to rule them all, One ring to find them,
One ring to rule them all and in the darkness bind them,
In the land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
"

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Postby Person012345 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:35 am

Fortitudinem wrote:
Person012345 wrote:
Therefore your assertion that music is dying because you like instrumentals is just silly. See?


I wish I could listen to some C418 right now...

By what measure is C418 not current music? How can you claim music is dying then cite (in a positive manner) someone who released soundtracks in 2011 and 2013 as an example of this? :?
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Postby The REAL Glasers » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:36 am

Fortitudinem wrote:
DesAnges wrote:Why do you profess to hate an entire, sprawling, nuanced genre?


Tell me what music is without instruments.


What it's always been: sound.
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Postby Person012345 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:40 am

Do you like Yiruma, Forti?

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Postby DesAnges » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:02 am

Fortitudinem wrote:
DesAnges wrote:Why do you profess to hate an entire, sprawling, nuanced genre?


Tell me what music is without instruments.

I forgot that in a wide, vastly varying genre that homogeneity rules.

You could make an argument that they are just poets speaking over random noises, which is fine by me.
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Not as long as we have Slowhand.

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