The Star Wars vs. WH40K Debate

[Immoren]

Why I have this mental image of orks herding pure forms into combat.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Why I have this mental image of orks herding pure forms into combat.

Because they would do that.

[Maurepas]

Star trek

Only because Q would fuck everything up,

[Maurepas]

Why I have this mental image of orks herding pure forms into combat.

Because they would do that.

It's not all that unfounded, in the older editions Squigs were said to be Tyranids taken as pets.

[Hurdegaryp]

Why I have this mental image of orks herding pure forms into combat.

Because they would do that.

Perfectly legitimate Ork tactic, yes. And while they're at it, they'll probably improvise a few tanks by using whatever wreckage, machinery and material is around.

[Immoren]

Covenants face when their fancy scarabs are cut in half by ram shackle steam gargants

[Hurdegaryp]

Covenants face when their fancy scarabs are cut in half by ram shackle steam gargants

Choo-choo!

[Neo Art]

Star trek

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html

Star Trek does get wiped out techwise, though.

i've seen this page. It's bullshit. It presumes an honest portrayal of certain technological aspects from the EU which basically amounts to "sure, their weapons have a higher energy output then the sun, why the fuck not?" while handwaving certain major technological advances that star trek universe has, namely replicators, transporters, and cloaking. The issue is, people forget, Star Trek universe is generally told through the perspective of a peaceful, diplomatic government, where as Start Wars is an imperalisitic, military one.

the flagship of star fleet isn't a hulking military vessle precisely BECAUSE it's the flag ship, and is meant to explore, interact, and negotiate with other species. Not obliterate them.

If you want to see what the star trek universe is capable of militarily, you have to extrapolate existing technology used in a combat situation. And I contend that a cloaked ship using tactical transporters and zero point energy quantum torpedos can pretty much fuck with whatever they threw at it. And mass produced to boot, because of replicator technology.

[Octogots]

so what about star trek
Or Galactic Civilisations ? (all from the game )

[Hurdegaryp]

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html

Star Trek does get wiped out techwise, though.

i've seen this page. It's bullshit. It presumes an honest portrayal of certain technological aspects from the EU which basically amounts to "sure, their weapons have a higher energy output then the sun, why the fuck not?" while handwaving certain major technological advances that star trek universe has, namely replicators, transporters, and cloaking. The issue is, people forget, Star Trek universe is generally told through the perspective of a peaceful, diplomatic government, where as Start Wars is an imperalisitic, military one.

the flagship of star fleet isn't a hulking military vessle precisely BECAUSE it's the flag ship, and is meant to explore, interact, and negotiate with other species. Not obliterate them.

If you want to see what the star trek universe is capable of militarily, you have to extrapolate existing technology used in a combat situation. And I contend that a cloaked ship using tactical transporters and zero point energy quantum torpedos can pretty much fuck with whatever they threw at it. And mass produced to boot, because of replicator technology.

And that's nice and impressive, but it doesn't negate the fact that Star Trek is not one of the universes we're talking about in this thread.

[Neo Art]

And that's nice and impressive, but it doesn't negate the fact that Star Trek is not one of the universes we're talking about in this thread.

True, though the topics actually listed are generally beaten in one thread.

40k based purely on the numbers, unless someone activates a halo ring, in which case, everybody's dead.

[Coherent Imbeciles]

Remind me again as to why 40K is losing in the polls?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

And that's nice and impressive, but it doesn't negate the fact that Star Trek is not one of the universes we're talking about in this thread.

True, though the topics actually listed are generally beaten in one thread.

40k based purely on the numbers, unless someone activates a halo ring, in which case, everybody's dead.

Except the necrons and daemons.

[Yes Im Biop]

True, though the topics actually listed are generally beaten in one thread.

40k based purely on the numbers, unless someone activates a halo ring, in which case, everybody's dead.

Except the necrons and daemons.

No, The Halo cannon's would probably destroy them to

[United Dependencies]

Remind me again as to why 40K is losing in the polls?

Everyone has heard of Star Wars and Halo. 40k is (relatively) unkown.

[Immoren]

Except the necrons and daemons.

No, The Halo cannon's would probably destroy them to

...Wat?

[United Dependencies]

The Halo Array

[Yes Im Biop]

O yeah. Cannon where did i get that...

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Except the necrons and daemons.

No, The Halo cannon's would probably destroy them to

The Halo installation does not kill everything; just sentient life. The neurons are not living, and the daemons are in the warp.

[Yes Im Biop]

No, The Halo cannon's would probably destroy them to

The Halo installation does not kill everything; just sentient life. The neurons are not living, and the daemons are in the warp.

So no worries about ether of em.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

The Halo installation does not kill everything; just sentient life. The neurons are not living, and the daemons are in the warp.

So no worries about ether of em.

Right*sarcasm*.

[Yes Im Biop]

So no worries about ether of em.

Right*sarcasm*.

Well everyone is dead after the Array's fire so There is no need to worry about em

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Right*sarcasm*.

Well everyone is dead after the Array's fire so There is no need to worry about em

The Necrons are already robots, not alive. And so long as there is human thought there shall be Chaos. And then there's the trillions of Tyranids that aren't in the galaxy.

[Yes Im Biop]

Well everyone is dead after the Array's fire so There is no need to worry about em

The Necrons are already robots, not alive. And so long as there is human thought there shall be Chaos. And then there's the trillions of Tyranids that aren't in the galaxy.

Meaning?

[Priory Academy USSR]

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html

Star Trek does get wiped out techwise, though.

i've seen this page. It's bullshit. It presumes an honest portrayal of certain technological aspects from the EU which basically amounts to "sure, their weapons have a higher energy output then the sun, why the fuck not?" while handwaving certain major technological advances that star trek universe has, namely replicators, transporters, and cloaking. The issue is, people forget, Star Trek universe is generally told through the perspective of a peaceful, diplomatic government, where as Start Wars is an imperalisitic, military one.

the flagship of star fleet isn't a hulking military vessle precisely BECAUSE it's the flag ship, and is meant to explore, interact, and negotiate with other species. Not obliterate them.

If you want to see what the star trek universe is capable of militarily, you have to extrapolate existing technology used in a combat situation. And I contend that a cloaked ship using tactical transporters and zero point energy quantum torpedos can pretty much fuck with whatever they threw at it. And mass produced to boot, because of replicator technology.

I know the numbers are completely over the top. Of course they are, because they can pull whatever numbers they like out of their asses, use them for plot devices (like with the whole asteroid thing) and really not care since it's all made up anyway. Comparing two sci-fi shows on their techs is fairly redundant, but nonetheless there as one of the few unbiased (I don't think people created the specs with the idea of making sure they outdid Star Trek) options since 'which is best' is purely subjective, and at least tech gives you values, however varied.

Anyway, I'd disagree with you on some of your points. Replicators, presumably fairly high energy guzzling machines because a) Voyager has a replicator food ration throughout it's entire trip, despite the fact that food is fairly small size wise, and post season 1 and 2 they don't suffer many supply shortages, or make many references anyway, and b) I presume the Federation would have used replicator technology on a massive scale during the Dominion War, given the huge attrition rate they had. Either they didn't, as it has a too high energy cost as I previously suggested, or they did and it simply didn't produce enough ships.
Transporters are pretty much useless while shields are still up, if SW shields are taken to have the same effect. There are some non-Federation exceptions to this rule, however.

Cloaking? I suppose I'll have to give you that. Nonetheless, ships have to decloak to fire, which gives the SW ships ample time to counterattack (and if tech values are taken to be real) destroy the ship. And with the exception of the Scimitar, most ships in fleet engagements seem to turn their cloaking devices off for the entirety of the engagement; that many, however, be due to the fact that the Dominion can detect cloaked ships anyway.