The Star Wars vs. WH40K Debate

[Emperial Canada]

If you take the Halo Universe as a whole, then Halo might win. Sure the UNSC and the Covinent would get stomped, but so far no one seems to remember the Flood or the Forerunners.

The Flood reproduce like the Orcs in Warhammer, so they might be able to hold their own. Most importantly though, are the Halo rings. A massive super weapon designed to wipe out all life in the galaxy. I don't recall Star Wars or Warhammer having a weapon that can wipe out all life in the galaxy.

Provided you can get to them, of course. And then you still have to deal with Chaos, the Necrons, and whoever was in the warp or web way to deal with. Also, if it wipes out all sentient life in the galaxy, then how would you win if you're in the galaxy? Shield worlds? That's actually a viable option though. Of course, Warhammer can just blow up the shield world.

Yes but it's hard to blow through one of the many shield worlds assuming that the Halo rings go off killing the attacking fleet, and all the Necrons, Chaos, Tau, etc.... I will admit though that it is a long shot, that mostly requires the Warhammer and Starwars universes to remain ignorant of the Halo Rings and the shield worlds, and instead focusing on stomping the Flood, Covinent and UNSC's planets. However it is feasible for a story line that is constantly taking the long shot. Imperial Intelligence and the Warhammer universe are't known for their intelligence gathering skills.

[Yes Im Biop]

If you take the Halo Universe as a whole, then Halo might win. Sure the UNSC and the Covinent would get stomped, but so far no one seems to remember the Flood or the Forerunners.

The Flood reproduce like the Orcs in Warhammer, so they might be able to hold their own. Most importantly though, are the Halo rings. A massive super weapon designed to wipe out all life in the galaxy. I don't recall Star Wars or Warhammer having a weapon that can wipe out all life in the galaxy.

Provided you can get to them, of course. And then you still have to deal with Chaos, the Necrons, and whoever was in the warp or web way to deal with. Also, if it wipes out all sentient life in the galaxy, then how would you win if you're in the galaxy? Shield worlds? That's actually a viable option though. Of course, Warhammer can just blow up the shield world.

I don't think you can blow up a Shield world. They are just Pocket holes into slip space, Untouchable, In Onyx 2 Nukes went off a few feet from one and did absolutely nothing.

At Above: And ONI is know for being sneaky bastards

[Socialist States Owen]

Bit of a silly debate really; the UNSC are underpowered compared to the other two. Not particularly fair. (It's a shame really, because its a cool universe.)

[Yes Im Biop]

Bit of a silly debate really; the UNSC are underpowered compared to the other two. Not particularly fair. (It's a shame really, because its a cool universe.)

Yeah, They are. But the Spartan 4 Legion may make up for it

[Maurepas]

Warhammer 40k, there's no Disney, there's no Mary Sue(well, unless you're Matt Ward, but fuck him), and most importantly, there's ORKS!!!!

WAAAAAAGGGHHH!!!!!!!

[Maurepas]

If you take the Halo Universe as a whole, then Halo might win. Sure the UNSC and the Covinent would get stomped, but so far no one seems to remember the Flood or the Forerunners.

The Flood reproduce like the Orcs in Warhammer, so they might be able to hold their own. Most importantly though, are the Halo rings. A massive super weapon designed to wipe out all life in the galaxy. I don't recall Star Wars or Warhammer having a weapon that can wipe out all life in the galaxy.

Meh, Orks would probably end up adapting the Flood to their own biology, just like they did the Tyrannids.

In fact, I don't even know how the flood would handle Tyrannids, I'm pretty sure 'Nids would just eat them and move on.

[North Calaveras]

If you take the Halo Universe as a whole, then Halo might win. Sure the UNSC and the Covinent would get stomped, but so far no one seems to remember the Flood or the Forerunners.

The Flood reproduce like the Orcs in Warhammer, so they might be able to hold their own. Most importantly though, are the Halo rings. A massive super weapon designed to wipe out all life in the galaxy. I don't recall Star Wars or Warhammer having a weapon that can wipe out all life in the galaxy.

Meh, Orks would probably end up adapting the Flood to their own biology, just like they did the Tyrannids.

In fact, I don't even know how the flood would handle Tyrannids, I'm pretty sure 'Nids would just eat them and move on.

Flood reproduce much faster than Orks and with all the humans in 40k an attack on a hive world would be devastating as the Flood would spread retard fast.

[Maurepas]

Meh, Orks would probably end up adapting the Flood to their own biology, just like they did the Tyrannids.

In fact, I don't even know how the flood would handle Tyrannids, I'm pretty sure 'Nids would just eat them and move on.

Flood reproduce much faster than Orks and with all the humans in 40k an attack on a hive world would be devastating as the Flood would spread retard fast.

Do they reproduce faster? The Flood have to get into a host body, but an Ork is constantly reproducing through spores like a human sheds skin flakes. And then not to mention every time one dies it releases a massive burst of such spores.

And that doesn't even talk about the 'Nids, which basically are Flood, save for the fact that they just eat their victims and are mindless killing machines.

And on top of that, a Space Marine already is a Spartan in just about every way and then some. I think that's probably part of the point with 40k, when you try to take any particular race on, there is no hope of success,

[North Calaveras]

Flood reproduce much faster than Orks and with all the humans in 40k an attack on a hive world would be devastating as the Flood would spread retard fast.

Do they reproduce faster? The Flood have to get into a host body, but an Ork is constantly reproducing through spores like a human sheds skin flakes. And then not to mention every time one dies it releases a massive burst of such spores.

And that doesn't even talk about the 'Nids, which basically are Flood, save for the fact that they just eat their victims and are mindless killing machines.

And on top of that, a Space Marine already is a Spartan in just about every way and then some. I think that's probably part of the point with 40k, when you try to take any particular race on, there is no hope of success,

No that's just 40k wanking

Flood are more dangerous as it only takes a few seconds to have a fully functional combat form, they can also use ships and technology. Orks take time to become a remnant, the flood are like wildfire.

[Maurepas]

Do they reproduce faster? The Flood have to get into a host body, but an Ork is constantly reproducing through spores like a human sheds skin flakes. And then not to mention every time one dies it releases a massive burst of such spores.

And that doesn't even talk about the 'Nids, which basically are Flood, save for the fact that they just eat their victims and are mindless killing machines.

And on top of that, a Space Marine already is a Spartan in just about every way and then some. I think that's probably part of the point with 40k, when you try to take any particular race on, there is no hope of success,

No that's just 40k wanking

Flood are more dangerous as it only takes a few seconds to have a fully functional combat form, they can also use ships and technology. Orks take time to become a remnant, the flood are like wildfire.

On a different note though, we already know one Spartan can take on an entire facility of the things and come out on top. A Legion of Space Marines contains tens of thousands of that Spartan.

[Hurdegaryp]

Do they reproduce faster? The Flood have to get into a host body, but an Ork is constantly reproducing through spores like a human sheds skin flakes. And then not to mention every time one dies it releases a massive burst of such spores.

And that doesn't even talk about the 'Nids, which basically are Flood, save for the fact that they just eat their victims and are mindless killing machines.

And on top of that, a Space Marine already is a Spartan in just about every way and then some. I think that's probably part of the point with 40k, when you try to take any particular race on, there is no hope of success,

No that's just 40k wanking

Flood are more dangerous as it only takes a few seconds to have a fully functional combat form, they can also use ships and technology. Orks take time to become a remnant, the flood are like wildfire.

Tyranids grow effective alternatives for ships and technology. They're also more than just mindless killing machines, they're a hive. You know, a collective entity. Also they will happily integrate your DNA into their genetic code. That charming little detail makes for great adaptability.

[Sovnia]

One thing that most people are forgetting:

Halo consists of just more than the UNSC and the covies. If it was strictly every faction from halo, than they would win. A combination of the UNSC, Covies, Forerunners, and flood would be a land-slide victory. The Flood spans over multiple galaxies, with trillions of spores that could engulf both their species. Not to mention the Forerunners have a trillion some sentinel drones that could also be a good side on that. Don't forget if they were losing the FR could just RQ and blow up the entire galaxy

EDIT: Derp, I didn't look at the posts above mine. I saw some other people saying stuff about the flood and FR that I didn't see on the first three or so pages, so, sorry if this seems like a copy.

[Hurdegaryp]

One thing that most people are forgetting:

Halo consists of just more than the UNSC and the covies. If it was strictly every faction from halo, than they would win. A combination of the UNSC, Covies, Forerunners, and flood would be a land-slide victory. The Flood spans over multiple galaxies, with trillions of spores that could engulf both their species. Not to mention the Forerunners have a trillion some sentinel drones that could also be a good side on that. Don't forget if they were losing the FR could just RQ and blow up the entire galaxy

What people tend to forget (or deliberately ignore) is that this thread is NOT about which universe would win. It's about why people have an affinity with certain fictional universes. But given the fact that all these universes tend to be rather violent, it's not strange people are happily organizing fictional dick measuring contests. Boys tend to do those things.

[North Calaveras]

No that's just 40k wanking

Flood are more dangerous as it only takes a few seconds to have a fully functional combat form, they can also use ships and technology. Orks take time to become a remnant, the flood are like wildfire.

Tyranids grow effective alternatives for ships and technology. They're also more than just mindless killing machines, they're a hive. You know, a collective entity. Also they will happily integrate your DNA into their genetic code. That charming little detail makes for great adaptability.

They are also slow as shit, as soon as Flood reach grave mind status(which given the amount of Humans in the 40k galaxy shouldn't take long at all) they will have extreme intelligence that isn't based around hunger, so smart they can make a sentient A.I go rogue.

[Hurdegaryp]

Tyranids grow effective alternatives for ships and technology. They're also more than just mindless killing machines, they're a hive. You know, a collective entity. Also they will happily integrate your DNA into their genetic code. That charming little detail makes for great adaptability.

They are also slow as shit, as soon as Flood reach grave mind status(which given the amount of Humans in the 40k galaxy shouldn't take long at all) they will have extreme intelligence that isn't based around hunger, so smart they can make a sentient A.I go rogue.

But if they're so smart, why do they resort to war in order to interact with other intelligent species?

[North Calaveras]

They are also slow as shit, as soon as Flood reach grave mind status(which given the amount of Humans in the 40k galaxy shouldn't take long at all) they will have extreme intelligence that isn't based around hunger, so smart they can make a sentient A.I go rogue.

But if they're so smart, why do they resort to war in order to interact with other intelligent species?

Cause it's easy for them, they can and have allied at times when needed(with chief for instance to stop the prophet)

[Hurdegaryp]

But if they're so smart, why do they resort to war in order to interact with other intelligent species?

Cause it's easy for them, they can and have allied at times when needed(with chief for instance to stop the prophet)

Hm. Convenience is an awful reason to start conflicts, but I can see why they would do it.

[North Calaveras]

Cause it's easy for them, they can and have allied at times when needed(with chief for instance to stop the prophet)

Hm. Convenience is an awful reason to start conflicts, but I can see why they would do it.

You have to also consider they are incapable of diplomacy at first because they are at feral stages attacking everyone without choice.

[Yes Im Biop]

They are also slow as shit, as soon as Flood reach grave mind status(which given the amount of Humans in the 40k galaxy shouldn't take long at all) they will have extreme intelligence that isn't based around hunger, so smart they can make a sentient A.I go rogue.

But if they're so smart, why do they resort to war in order to interact with other intelligent species?

Because they can, And probably they have an inbuilt instint to Use everything

[Sovnia]

Also, I'm fairly certain at this point the "last" Precursor would come out and give their knowledge of their technology, which was the reason why it took the Forerunners so long to defeat the Humans.

[Hurdegaryp]

Hm. Convenience is an awful reason to start conflicts, but I can see why they would do it.

You have to also consider they are incapable of diplomacy at first because they are at feral stages attacking everyone without choice.

Intelligence without free will. That's a bit sad, actually. That actually makes the Flood more like Orks in full Waaagh! mode, even though Orks actually have more fun while staging invasions.

[Neo Art]

Star trek

[Hurdegaryp]

Star trek

You broke the thread.

[Priory Academy USSR]

Star trek

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html

Star Trek does get wiped out techwise, though.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Star trek

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html

Star Trek does get wiped out techwise, though.

The problem is not tech; it's how Star Trek always fails to use it to its fullest extent.