Lincoltshire wrote:Many of these examples (as in, the ones I've heard before) are about gang violence.
N.W.A were gangsta rap and that means absolutely nothing because they were a fantastic group of artists who made fantastic music.
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by Oterro » Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:56 pm
Lincoltshire wrote:Many of these examples (as in, the ones I've heard before) are about gang violence.
by Zaras » Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:59 pm
Lincoltshire wrote:Zaras wrote:
Okay, shut up and go listen to Public Enemy right now.
RIGHT NOW.
CURE YOUR IGNORANCE IMMEDIATELY.
Then Paris, X-Clan, Beastie Boys, Wu-Tang Clan, De La Soul, NWA, Ice Cube, Ice-T, A Tribe Called Quest, Common, Tupac's first album.
Then try to tell me rap is all about fucking bitches and getting high.
TRY telling me that "Fight the Power", "Night of the Living Baseheads", "911 Is a Joke", "Dead Homiez", "Straight Outta Compton", "Fuck da Police", "Say No Go", "Ghetto Thang", "High Plains Drifter", "A Year and a Day", "They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.)" and countless are other songs are only about "sex, drugs and women".
Many of these examples (as in, the ones I've heard before) are about gang violence.
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
by Zaras » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:00 pm
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
by Corrian » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:13 pm
Kazarogkai wrote:Personally I hate pop music because it has little to no artistic depth it sounds nice but that's it it has little to know story and in Rap particular case it just sounds like they are bragging about stuff. So maybe I am an asshole, I dont mind I get that a lot. I want something that when i listen there is actually a story, you cant do that in just 2 minutes. It doesn't even have to have lyrics I want It to tell me a story and have meaning to me, I want to hear the emotion coursing through their voice, modern music has little to no emotion just auto tune and stuff no depth. Also to elaborate on the point of meaning something to me, all rap talks about are sex, drugs, and women those things have little to no importance to me their about as important as a grain of sand for me, I want something that I can relate to. Also I hate dancing and such so those dance songs are completely useless for me.
by Zaras » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:17 pm
Corrian wrote:I'm sorry if we are all getting on your case, but if there's one thing that irk's me, it's people generalizing all modern music as bad.
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
by Forsher » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:46 pm
Zaras wrote:Kazarogkai wrote:all rap talks about are sex, drugs, and women those things have little to no importance to me their about as important as a grain of sand for me.
Okay, shut up and go listen to Public Enemy right now.
RIGHT NOW.
CURE YOUR IGNORANCE IMMEDIATELY.
Then Paris, X-Clan, Beastie Boys, De La Soul, Wu-Tang Clan, NWA, Ice Cube, Ice-T, A Tribe Called Quest, Common, Tupac's first album.
Then try to tell me rap is all about fucking bitches and getting high.
TRY telling me that "Fight the Power", "Night of the Living Baseheads", "911 Is a Joke", "Dead Homiez", "Straight Outta Compton", "Fuck da Police", "Say No Go", "Ghetto Thang", "High Plains Drifter", "A Year and a Day", "They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.)", "Brenda's Got a Baby" and countless are other songs are only about "sex, drugs and women".
Corrian wrote:Britannic Realms wrote:I started out only liking classical music but then I just kept pilling other genres on top, but then I only listen to certain bands. Basically I used to like classical music, but now I like bands like ABBA, Queen, the Beatles, A-ha, Eurythmics. I like people like Paul McCartney and David Bowie.
So now you like Classic Rock
I actually have no idea what A-ha and Erythymics is.
Zaras wrote:Lincoltshire wrote:
Many of these examples (as in, the ones I've heard before) are about gang violence.
Which ones?
"Fight the Power" is about fighting the power.
"Night of the Living Baseheads" and "Say No Go" are about how Drugs Are Bad.
"911 Is a Joke" is about racist ambulances.
"Dead Homiez" is about how families are affected by gang violence.
"Straight Outta Compton" and "Ghetto Thang" are largely about how the inner city sucks.
"Fuck da Police" and "Sound of tha Police" are about police brutality. (DAMN, I forgot KRS-One?! The man even put out an album called Edutainment! And a song called "You Must Learn"!)
"High Plains Drifter" is an intentionally comically exaggerated tale of violence (I mean, it's named after a movie!)
"A Year and a Day" is about personal growth.
"They Reminisce Over You" is about coping with someone's death.
"Brenda's Got a Baby" is about teenage pregnancy in the inner city.
But, damn, massive oversight to correct! Listen to everything Boogie Down Productions made starting with By All Means Necessary, and KRS-One solo. KRS is all about not being aboutsex and drugs and rock'n'rollbitches, drugs and hip-hop.
by RumasaLand » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:51 am
by Kazarogkai » Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:03 am
RumasaLand wrote:I dont like listening to songs that have lyrics really all i like are soundtrack songs and instrumentals(especially jazz ones), I like them when they are very long to me they feel like a story of sorts one that you have to use your imagination to create, kinda like those old "create you own adventure" books. I dont want the guy to tell me what its about I want my mind to do that so that means lyrics would not be good for that.
examples
MOTHER 3 + : Bon Voyage Amigo(one of my personal favorites, it brings tears to my eyes the beauty of it goes to my heart because it reminds me and brings back memories. Its kinda like a good bye song to good times and that may we meet again in the end.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI0_SHpO-nU&feature=BFa&list=PLED9BAC36B05551F5
Howl's Moving Castle Main Theme(Nice and Positive)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owddukdxFv4&feature=BFa&list=PLED9BAC36B05551F5
Classic VGM 278: Final Fantasy VI - Dancing Mad (Full Song)(nice long and a little random, plenty of time to develop a story in the head)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbXVNKtmWnc&feature=BFa&list=PLED9BAC36B05551F5
Ace Combat: Joint Assault OST - Sulejmani(the emotion that courses through me when i hear this, Mere words cant explain)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbI-0Udwhio&list=PLED9BAC36B05551F5&index=27&feature=plpp_video
Zelda: Majora's Mask - Song of Healing Orchestral
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIiWGZ7wTK0&feature=BFa&list=PLED9BAC36B05551F5
RumasaLand wrote:Classic VGM 278: Final Fantasy VI - Dancing Mad (Full Song)(nice long and a little random, plenty of time to develop a story in the head)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbXVNKtmWnc&feature=BFa&list=PLED9BAC36B05551F5
by Zaras » Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:29 am
Forsher wrote:That Eminem song about that fan who crashes his car would be better. Funnil;y enough I encountered that the same way I came acorss Take on Me or Walkie-Talkie Man... UChoose40.
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
by Person012345 » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:43 am
Kazarogkai wrote:Personally I hate pop music because it has little to no artistic depth it sounds nice but that's it it has little to know story
by Oterro » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:49 am
I'm still unsure as to why it's bad to write music about corporeal matters.Forsher wrote:The title of the last example is a bad choice. To have a baby sex is almost certainly involved, the same for some sort of drug and a woman is required. The fifth title is also a bad choice whatever the actual content of the song.
Person012345 wrote:Double edit: That's a generalisation. I don't mean that all rap sounds bad, but as a genre I don't like it.
by Partybus » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:35 pm
by Forsher » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:32 pm
Oterro wrote:I'm still unsure as to why it's bad to write music about corporeal matters.Forsher wrote:The title of the last example is a bad choice. To have a baby sex is almost certainly involved, the same for some sort of drug and a woman is required. The fifth title is also a bad choice whatever the actual content of the song.
by Zaras » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:09 am
Oterro wrote:I'm still unsure as to why it's bad to write music about corporeal matters.
It's how they're written and the message they send. That's why I had to be needlessly pedantic with those examinations of the titles, I'm pretty sure Zaras chose "songs" with messages contrary to expectations.
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
by Forsher » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:20 am
Zaras wrote:Forsher wrote:
So many typos... hmm. I think it's called Stan?
Yeah.
It's how they're written and the message they send. That's why I had to be needlessly pedantic with those examinations of the titles, I'm pretty sure Zaras chose "songs" with messages contrary to expectations.
My first thought was to make the list 100% political rap, but then I realised I should probably broaden it a bit.
by Zaras » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:24 am
Forsher wrote:The complaints about rap, which you must remember I hate, that start with sex, drugs and women are about when it glorifies such things. It all comes down to the sentiments of each individual piece.
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
by Forsher » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:36 am
Zaras wrote:Forsher wrote:The complaints about rap, which you must remember I hate, that start with sex, drugs and women are about when it glorifies such things. It all comes down to the sentiments of each individual piece.
That's the fault of the Misaimed Fandom that grew around gangsta rap, and missed its social commentary in favour of its glorification. (Hi, Dr. Dre.) I doubt songs like "I'm Your Pusher" and basically everything Ice-T wrote up until 1992 glorify drugs.
Plus, there's plenty of fucking rock songs that glorify sex, drugs and women. Why don't people complain about those instead of rap?
by Zaras » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:45 am
Forsher wrote:Zaras wrote:
That's the fault of the Misaimed Fandom that grew around gangsta rap, and missed its social commentary in favour of its glorification. (Hi, Dr. Dre.) I doubt songs like "I'm Your Pusher" and basically everything Ice-T wrote up until 1992 glorify drugs.
Plus, there's plenty of fucking rock songs that glorify sex, drugs and women. Why don't people complain about those instead of rap?
I believe rap's original fans would prefer it return to a level of popularity where it's pretty much restricted to the likes of them.
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
by Forsher » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:48 am
Zaras wrote:Forsher wrote:
I believe rap's original fans would prefer it return to a level of popularity where it's pretty much restricted to the likes of them.
Not new: Ice Cube was saying that as far back as 1991, followed by A Tribe Called Quest, Common in 1994, De La Soul in 1996...
And really, considering how hip-hop's been exploited and flanderised, they have a point.
by Zaras » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:52 am
Forsher wrote:Zaras wrote:
Not new: Ice Cube was saying that as far back as 1991, followed by A Tribe Called Quest, Common in 1994, De La Soul in 1996...
And really, considering how hip-hop's been exploited and flanderised, they have a point.
I'd rather it returned as well... obviously for a different reason.
Yo, home to Bel-air.
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
by Oterro » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:17 am
Forsher wrote:It's how they're written and the message they send. That's why I had to be needlessly pedantic with those examinations of the titles, I'm pretty sure Zaras chose "songs" with messages contrary to expectations.
by Cannot think of a name » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:17 pm
by Corrian » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:24 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:26 pm
Zaras wrote:
Plus, there's plenty of fucking rock songs that glorify sex, drugs and women. Why don't people complain about those instead of rap?
by Corrian » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:34 pm
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