The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra Thread

[IshCong]

Well, the hate for Azula comes from the simple fact that she's a massive bitch. Pretty simple to figure out.

No it's not very simple to figure out. Ozai is a bitch, Ursa is a bitch, Zuko is a bitch (initially). Azula....not really.

She tortures friends and family for giggles.
She betrays almost everyone around her, save maybe her father, by the end.
She's complicit in a plot to unleash a literal holocaust of destruction against most of the world's populace.
She's kinda a bitch.

No it's not very simple to figure out. Ozai is a bitch, Ursa is a bitch, Zuko is a bitch (initially). Azula....not really.

Zuko's initially kinda bitchy/assholeish, but he has the issues of "My dad burnt half my face off for speaking and banished me from my homeland to go on a snipe hunt", and he gets over that. Azula embraces the bitch side.

The whole thing about Zuko's character is that he redeems himself. He starts out whiny and bitchy and grows up past that. He starts out serving his cruel and evil father and grows up past that.
All the central characters have some issue or another. Aang's initial inability to face his duties as the Avatar being the most prominent. The reason we love them is because they mature and tackle their issues and overcome them.
Azula just goes crazy at the end and overcomes nothing. She never gets the redemption that makes Zuko admirable, she just wallows in Season-One-Zuko-ness until the end. Only even bitchier and with added cruelty for giggles.

[Constaniana]

Are you serious? I could point out the long list of betrayals, the treatment of her 'friends' and family, her role in the Fire Nation, but really, I think the fact that she was complicit in a plan to wipe out the majority of the population of the world should say it all for me.
She's blatantly villainous and she takes a sadistic pleasure out of being cruel for the sake of being cruel. That's not tragic. That's just evil.

I don't hate her, though I don't like her. I just don't think she's particularly intelligent, and she's certainly not the most intelligent person in the show, by any metric. Even if you want to focus solely on martial knowledge there are smarter individuals.

"Complicit"? Hell, isn't she the one that comes up with the whole idea of exterminating the Earth Kingdom?

[Mavorpen]

The fuck is happening in this thread.

[IshCong]

Are you serious? I could point out the long list of betrayals, the treatment of her 'friends' and family, her role in the Fire Nation, but really, I think the fact that she was complicit in a plan to wipe out the majority of the population of the world should say it all for me.
She's blatantly villainous and she takes a sadistic pleasure out of being cruel for the sake of being cruel. That's not tragic. That's just evil.

I don't hate her, though I don't like her. I just don't think she's particularly intelligent, and she's certainly not the most intelligent person in the show, by any metric. Even if you want to focus solely on martial knowledge there are smarter individuals.

"Complicit"? Hell, isn't she the one that comes up with the whole idea of exterminating the Earth Kingdom?

Believe so. Now to use wiki to check a fact!

"[Zuko] tells them of the day before the eclipse when he attended a war meeting... The people in the meeting discuss rebellions inside the Earth Kingdom that must be stopped. Zuko explains the nature of the Earth Kingdom's people; they are strong and proud as long as they have hope. Hearing Zuko's words, Ozai believes that they must destroy their hope, and Azula suggests burning down the Earth Kingdom. Ozai accepts this idea and decides to use the power of the comet to crush the Earth Kingdom, just as Sozin himself used its power to wipe out the Air Nomads one hundred years ago. With this last piece of resistance gone, he could rule the world unopposed."

http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Sozin%27s_ ... oenix_King

[Alaizia]

You have right. A wiki sometimes can be unreliable. That's why there are usually sources at the end of phrases or paragraphs. And in the paragraphs I posted, and you chose only to comment on the credibility of a wiki and not them, there are.

Dai Li had lost their initial power in the sence that they had now to operate secretly. An enemy can still be under your nose while you thought you dealt with him.

Yes the Dai Li followed Azula from terror, but also from respect and impression. That's also clear with the Head of Dai Li. I posted the exact comment of his, showing his true respect and impression for Azula to Long Feng, and you keep disclaim the man's words. He hadn't anything to gain by confessing it to Long Feng. On the contrary. Thus, it's sincere.

Azula is crazy in the end. But she didn't became like that because she was a perfectionist. Pharaohs also had a devine right to rule. And lost battles during their reign. They didn't end up batshit insane because of that. No, the reasons stem not from Azula herself, but from the events in her life.

You generalize again intelligence. Manipulation doesn't show I.Q. It shows E.Q. Another thing.
The point I said before, is how Azula has this E.Q. (understanding and manipulating the feelings of others) and still be so socially inept. There are some theories for that.

Regarding the treatment of her friends, Azula was always a bit snobbish and selfish. That's all. As for her family, better ask what they did to her. She just had to rely solely on her talent and surviving skills to stay on top of the situation. You still don't get that the Azula we see in the series especially towards the end isn't the exact her. It's what a lack of a normal family and the burden of the expectations her tyrant father put to her shoulders to tool her to become like this. While your precious little Zuko had the support of his b*tch mother and uncle to guide him and nurture his morals, Azula had no one. No one other than her monster father who didn't know what true unconditional love was. So don't tell me things like "aw she's evil, insane and the female embodiement of Hitler".

I can write more, but I don't really like long posts.

[Ameriganastan]

...My God, this guys blindly loves Azula like I hate Korra. It's astounding.

[Mavorpen]

...My God, this guys blindly loves Azula like I hate Korra. It's astounding.

No no, your hatred for Korra is at least ground in reality. This... I don't know what this is.

[New haven america]

The fuck is happening in this thread.

Someone for some unknown reason, idolizes Azula.

[The Tarantara Dominion]

This feels like a really boring discussion now. I am slightly surprised by the hate towards Korra, but she kind of deserves it. And if they make another film keep M. Night Sham away from them!! To laugh about them go to youtube and search Honest Trailers ATLA

Why does she deserve it?

e.e

[New haven america]

This feels like a really boring discussion now. I am slightly surprised by the hate towards Korra, but she kind of deserves it. And if they make another film keep M. Night Sham away from them!! To laugh about them go to youtube and search Honest Trailers ATLA

Why does she deserve it?

e.e

She's: Stupid, believes everyone should just bow down to her, LOST THE 10,000 YEAR CONNECTION TO ALL THE AVATARS.

[The Tarantara Dominion]

Why does she deserve it?

e.e

She's: Stupid, believes everyone should just bow down to her, LOST THE 10,000 YEAR CONNECTION TO ALL THE AVATARS.

;-;

And that's why I need to catch up with the series.

Korra, I hate you.

[Feroxi]

Korra is kind of... blunt and stubborn. I think her mindset is more of that of an earth bender. I like how there's a female avatar, it does give quite a nice perspective from Aang- but she's so... blegh. First off, she steals Mako from Asami- which is quite a no-no. That, and has such a temper that it's annoying as fuck.

[Alaizia]

The fuck is happening in this thread.

Someone for some unknown reason, idolizes Azula.

I idolize Azula as much as you guys idolize your favourites. That's it none.

I just tell the truth and unfold her character from a much more honest and clear percpective than yours.

You guys even think she is evil. Sozin was initially noble in his intentions. Azulon was militarist but still held a certain amount of dignity and justice. Azula is just a problematic child in her emotions, coming from a f*cked up family as hers. You wanna know who was evil? Ozai. No excuses for him whatsoever.

So get your facts straight people.

[Reploid Productions]

Why does she deserve it?

e.e

She's: Stupid, believes everyone should just bow down to her, LOST THE 10,000 YEAR CONNECTION TO ALL THE AVATARS.

She's also: a hormonal teenage girl (aka one of the least rational creatures in existence, trust me, I used to be one,) been incredibly sheltered from the real world and its various problems for most of her life, somewhat spoiled by said sheltering over the whole OMG AVATAR thing, and quite often stuck trying to make important decisions in ignorance or based on incomplete or completely fabricated information.

Yes, the story and character development in the series is not flawless, but then it wasn't perfect in ATLA either. Frankly, I find the hate-on for Korra some folks have to be baffling and completely overblown. TVTropes says it rather neatly. And no, I am not sorry for anyone who loses the next several hours after clicking the link.

[IshCong]

You have right. A wiki sometimes can be unreliable. That's why there are usually sources at the end of phrases or paragraphs. And in the paragraphs I posted, and you chose only to comment on the credibility of a wiki and not them, there are.

The sources here are going to be episodes, which makes sense. The Wiki is, as I said, great for fact checking. But conjectural topics, like character traits which are far more open to individual interpretation unless we go the Informed Attribute route.

Dai Li had lost their initial power in the sence that they had now to operate secretly. An enemy can still be under your nose while you thought you dealt with him.

I'm not saying otherwise? My whole point is that they had two choices, obey orders or stage a coup. The first option means they lose their power to the Earth King, the latter involves 'operating under their nose', at least briefly.

Yes the Dai Li followed Azula from terror, but also from respect and impression. That's also clear with the Head of Dai Li. I posted the exact comment of his, showing his true respect and impression for Azula to Long Feng, and you keep disclaim the man's words. He hadn't anything to gain by confessing it to Long Feng. On the contrary. Thus, it's sincere.

He's sincerely saying she's terrifying and inspirational. But the main point here is that she's terrifying and has power. Long Feng was inspirational in his way too, but lacked the power Azula's birth gave her. What the leader isn't sincerely saying is precisely why he betrays Long Feng, which both Long Feng and Azula concede (in the clip you linked) has everything to do with the power imbalance between the two. The Dai Li were waiting to see who would win in a contest between Azula and Long Feng and Azula, by virtue of having something besides the Dai Li to fall back on, won. That convinced the Dai Li to betray Long Feng.

Azula is crazy in the end. But she didn't became like that because she was a perfectionist.

I didn't say that's why she went insane...

Pharaohs also had a devine right to rule. And lost battles during their reign. They didn't end up batshit insane because of that. No, the reasons stem not from Azula herself, but from the events in her life.

The reasons stem from how Azula reacted to the events in her life, and her reactions are governed by her personality. As such, she went insane because of who she was as a person.
I mean, if she went insane due to something like prolonged torture, sure, that could drive anyone insane. But Azula's descent into madness is due to causes very specific to Azula.

You generalize again intelligence. Manipulation doesn't show I.Q. It shows E.Q. Another thing.
The point I said before, is how Azula has this E.Q. (understanding and manipulating the feelings of others) and still be so socially inept. There are some theories for that.

She's socially inept because the only way she socializes with people, the only way she knows how to socialize with people is based around manipulation and coercion. Why those are the only ways she knows how to socialize goes back to her father.

Regarding the treatment of her friends, Azula was always a bit snobbish and selfish. That's all.

There's snobbish, there's selfish, and then there's threatening your 'friend's' life during her acrobatics routine so she'll do what you want.

As for her family, better ask what they did to her.

Zuko and Iroh didn't do shit to her. Neither did Ursa. The only one who could be said to have done anything was her father, who she idolized. I wasn't referring to Ozai when I said she tortured her family.

She just had to rely solely on her talent and surviving skills to stay on top of the situation.

Pfft. Her father's blatant favoritism more like.
Sure, she won that through fire-bending talent, cruelty, and manipulation, but it's not like she wasn't in a uniquely advantageous position almost all her life. She's been the personal favorite of the Fire Lord for most of her life for crying out loud.

You still don't get that the Azula we see in the series especially towards the end isn't the exact her. It's what a lack of a normal family and the burden of the expectations her tyrant father put to her shoulders to tool her to become like this.

It is 'the exact her'. That's what her life, her actions, led her to. Everyone is a product of their life, Azula's no different, regardless of what sort of life she had. You could say it isn't what she would have been if her life had been different, but that's true of everyone. I wouldn't be who I am if I had been born into a different family either.

While your precious little Zuko had the support of his b*tch mother and uncle to guide him and nurture his morals, Azula had no one. No one other than her monster father who didn't know what true unconditional love was. So don't tell me things like "aw she's evil, insane and the female embodiement of Hitler".

I can write more, but I don't really like long posts.

Azula was a bitch to Zuko as far back as the flash-backs go. After Ursa was forced to leave Zuko was left trapped with a father who loathed him and a sister who delighted in torturing him daily. He's far less pampered than Azula. (He's also not precious to me, I've only pointed out that he got past his bitchiness and redeemed himself whereas Azula dived head-first into the Crazy Pool.)
It's not like people didn't reach out to Azula. Iroh included. She had options, and she consistently refused to even consider them. Zuko initially rebuffed Iroh as well, but later changed. Azula refused to even contemplate such.

You can blame Ozai for her bad upbringing, sure, but she's ultimately responsible for her own actions.

(Also, pretty sure recommending the destruction of the entire Earth Kingdom actually makes her worse than Hitler if you figure based on body count.)

[IshCong]

Someone for some unknown reason, idolizes Azula.

I idolize Azula as much as you guys idolize your favourites. That's it none.

I just tell the truth and unfold her character from a much more honest and clear percpective than yours.

You guys even think she is evil. Sozin was initially noble in his intentions. Azulon was militarist but still held a certain amount of dignity and justice. Azula is just a problematic child in her emotions, coming from a f*cked up family as hers. You wanna know who was evil? Ozai. No excuses for him whatsoever.

So get your facts straight people.

Ozai's evil. This is true.
Recommending genocide to Ozai? That makes Azula evil as well. Among an extended list of other things.

She's: Stupid, believes everyone should just bow down to her, LOST THE 10,000 YEAR CONNECTION TO ALL THE AVATARS.

She's also: a hormonal teenage girl (aka one of the least rational creatures in existence, trust me, I used to be one,) been incredibly sheltered from the real world and its various problems for most of her life, somewhat spoiled by said sheltering over the whole OMG AVATAR thing, and quite often stuck trying to make important decisions in ignorance or based on incomplete or completely fabricated information.

Yes, the story and character development in the series is not flawless, but then it wasn't perfect in ATLA either. Frankly, I find the hate-on for Korra some folks have to be baffling and completely overblown. TVTropes says it rather neatly. And no, I am not sorry for anyone who loses the next several hours after clicking the link.

I've said it before, but there's nothing fundamentally wrong with Korra being the way she is. She is, in many ways, a foil to Aang, both demonstrating different problems youth have when maturing into adulthood. Aang isn't ready to face his responsibilities, whereas Korra is too eager to jump into them, for example. It was brilliant and had so much potential to be truly amazing.

The problem, to me, is that in ATLA I felt like when the characters moved forward it was because they had learned something and grown as individuals. I feel like with Korra we get her doing the same stupid things repeatedly, only it works in the end, or is treated like it worked, despite reason. In ATLA I felt more like when the characters did something stupid multiple times in a row, they tended to get punished for it and learned as as result.

It's not that the character development in ATLA was perfect by any means, just....significantly better imho. =T

[Ameriganastan]

This feels like a really boring discussion now. I am slightly surprised by the hate towards Korra, but she kind of deserves it. And if they make another film keep M. Night Sham away from them!! To laugh about them go to youtube and search Honest Trailers ATLA

Why does she deserve it?

e.e

Cause she's an obnoxious, petulant, self-involved, contradictory, incompetent annoyance.

[New haven america]

She's: Stupid, believes everyone should just bow down to her, LOST THE 10,000 YEAR CONNECTION TO ALL THE AVATARS.

She's also: a hormonal teenage girl (aka one of the least rational creatures in existence, trust me, I used to be one,) been incredibly sheltered from the real world and its various problems for most of her life, somewhat spoiled by said sheltering over the whole OMG AVATAR thing, and quite often stuck trying to make important decisions in ignorance or based on incomplete or completely fabricated information.

Yes, the story and character development in the series is not flawless, but then it wasn't perfect in ATLA either. Frankly, I find the hate-on for Korra some folks have to be baffling and completely overblown. TVTropes says it rather neatly. And no, I am not sorry for anyone who loses the next several hours after clicking the link.

Aang learned from his mistakes and grew as a person, Korra did: "Fuck you, I'm the Avatar, do what I say"

[Ameriganastan]

Aang learned from his mistakes and grew as a person, Korra did: "Fuck you, I'm the Avatar, do what I say"

Or, when someone calls her on that shit, pulls out the "Why won't you let me be the Avatar!?" excuse.

[Alaizia]

You know, regarding Azula's character, when you all label her as sociopathic and such, you have to consider that both her and Zuko grew up with the same influences.The same forces of abuse that transformed Zuko (almost literally) were also at work on Azula. For that matter, Zuko himself could be described as having characterization as inconsistent as Azula, if one overlooks two things:
a) that unlike Azula, we do get to see Zuko's internal processes, creating more sympathy for him when he's inconsistent, and
b) that the inconsistency is somewhat resolved if one puts both in the context of being raised in an abusive family.

Also, Zuko is the clear victor in the struggle for their mother's affection, even if Azula pretends she doesn't want it. Ursa regularly expresses her love for Zuko, supporting him even in his failures. Ultimately, she demonstrates the extent of this love by killing the Fire Lord and accepting banishment in order to save Zuko's life. To her son, she is the ideal mother, sacrificing herself to protect him. Her treatment of Azula is markedly different. This is at least partially because Azula is the kind of kid who ponders aloud the number of people her father would have to kill to succeed his own father as Fire Lord. Ursa reacts to these comments by asking what is wrong with her. While Zuko is "darling", Azula is "that child."

To one person, however, she is "my dear", and therein lies the problem. Her father, raised Azula to be his heir, and he uses her to gain the approval of Azulon. He has her demonstrate both her extensive knowledge of military campaigns and her advanced firebending ability, calling her "a true prodigy" etc. The problem is that Ozai is evil. He is willing to have Zuko killed to appease his father, and he jumps at the opportunity to become Fire Lord when Ursa kills Azulon.

In addition to this, he uses Azula to gain favour for himself, nurturing both her natural talents and her tendency toward cruelty to make her into his perfect heir. Even her name marks her as Ozai's weapon in the fight for his father's favour. While Zuko has the more obvious abuse narrative, Azula is just as thoroughly messed up by Ozai, if not more so.

Zuko also has the benefit of Iroh's love. During the flashbacks, Iroh is laying siege to Ba Sing Se, and he sends gifts for his niece and nephew from the Earth Kingdom. To Zuko, he gives a pearl dagger from a general who surrendered to the invading Fire Nation forces; it is inscribed with the words, "Never give up without a fight". It’s a perfect gift, tailored to Zuko's personality in a way that demonstrates Iroh's profound understanding of him. The gift that Iroh sends for Azula is "a new friend": a doll who "wears the latest fashion for Earth Kingdom girls". Azula burns it.
Based on everything we know about Azula, even by this point in the series, Iroh could not have picked a less suitable gift if he'd tried. He gives Zuko a present that speaks to him as an individual, he gives Azula a present that acknowledges that she’s a girl. And all girls like dolls, right?

While Ursa is an ideal maternal figure, Iroh is basically the moral centre of the show. He spends years helping Zuko become a decent person, supporting his nephew through a difficult, painful identity crisis. Yet he spends no time at all trying to understand Azula.

Zuko enjoys the support of two people who allow him to fail and love him regardless of his abilities. Azula gets validation from a power-hungry monster while these same two people appear to put very little effort into understanding her. They want her to conform to certain societal standards of femininity and decency, but Ozai encourages her to embrace her difference.

This is why I told before that Azula is f*cked up at least the same as her brother. She didn't met the love of her mother and turned her head to her father. Sadly the latter the cold monster that shaped her to become mostly what we met at the show. It's sad really. She never met unconditional love like Zuko. She is a tragic villain.

[Ameriganastan]

I can write more, but I don't really like long posts.

Quoted for relevance.

[Alaizia]

I can write more, but I don't really like long posts.

Quoted for relevance.

I had to.

[New haven america]

You know, regarding Azula's character, when you all label her as sociopathic and such, you have to consider that both her and Zuko grew up with the same influences.The same forces of abuse that transformed Zuko (almost literally) were also at work on Azula. For that matter, Zuko himself could be described as having characterization as inconsistent as Azula, if one overlooks two things:
a) that unlike Azula, we do get to see Zuko's internal processes, creating more sympathy for him when he's inconsistent, and
b) that the inconsistency is somewhat resolved if one puts both in the context of being raised in an abusive family.

Also, Zuko is the clear victor in the struggle for their mother's affection, even if Azula pretends she doesn't want it. Ursa regularly expresses her love for Zuko, supporting him even in his failures. Ultimately, she demonstrates the extent of this love by killing the Fire Lord and accepting banishment in order to save Zuko's life. To her son, she is the ideal mother, sacrificing herself to protect him. Her treatment of Azula is markedly different. This is at least partially because Azula is the kind of kid who ponders aloud the number of people her father would have to kill to succeed his own father as Fire Lord. Ursa reacts to these comments by asking what is wrong with her. While Zuko is "darling", Azula is "that child."

To one person, however, she is "my dear", and therein lies the problem. Her father, raised Azula to be his heir, and he uses her to gain the approval of Azulon. He has her demonstrate both her extensive knowledge of military campaigns and her advanced firebending ability, calling her "a true prodigy" etc. The problem is that Ozai is evil. He is willing to have Zuko killed to appease his father, and he jumps at the opportunity to become Fire Lord when Ursa kills Azulon.

In addition to this, he uses Azula to gain favour for himself, nurturing both her natural talents and her tendency toward cruelty to make her into his perfect heir. Even her name marks her as Ozai's weapon in the fight for his father's favour. While Zuko has the more obvious abuse narrative, Azula is just as thoroughly messed up by Ozai, if not more so.

Zuko also has the benefit of Iroh's love. During the flashbacks, Iroh is laying siege to Ba Sing Se, and he sends gifts for his niece and nephew from the Earth Kingdom. To Zuko, he gives a pearl dagger from a general who surrendered to the invading Fire Nation forces; it is inscribed with the words, "Never give up without a fight". It’s a perfect gift, tailored to Zuko's personality in a way that demonstrates Iroh's profound understanding of him. The gift that Iroh sends for Azula is "a new friend": a doll who "wears the latest fashion for Earth Kingdom girls". Azula burns it.
Based on everything we know about Azula, even by this point in the series, Iroh could not have picked a less suitable gift if he'd tried. He gives Zuko a present that speaks to him as an individual, he gives Azula a present that acknowledges that she’s a girl. And all girls like dolls, right?

While Ursa is an ideal maternal figure, Iroh is basically the moral centre of the show. He spends years helping Zuko become a decent person, supporting his nephew through a difficult, painful identity crisis. Yet he spends no time at all trying to understand Azula.

Zuko enjoys the support of two people who allow him to fail and love him regardless of his abilities. Azula gets validation from a power-hungry monster while these same two people appear to put very little effort into understanding her. They want her to conform to certain societal standards of femininity and decency, but Ozai encourages her to embrace her difference.

This is why I told before that Azula is f*cked up at least the same as her brother. She didn't met the love of her mother and turned her head to her father. Sadly the latter the cold monster that shaped her to become mostly what we met at the show. It's sad really. She never met unconditional love like Zuko. She is a tragic villain.

Azula had no hope, she was her dad's favorite and he passed his crazy on to her.(Ursa loved Azula, she even questioned how Azula got like that, there was really no hope)

[Reploid Productions]

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That Iroh is as stable and... well, functional as he is given how utterly fucked up that entire family situation seems to be is pretty damn incredible. And Ursa does contribute plenty to that family dysfunction, though if you take the comics as canon, she really did not have much choice in the matter. Given Zuko seems to take more after his mother, while Azula clearly takes after Ozai, I could see that reminder of Ursa's forced marriage leading to her playing favorites, even if she didn't really mean to, y'know?

[IshCong]

-snip

Azula had opportunities. She had people reach out to her. In part because she took after Ozai from the beginning she dismissed those people with scorn. After a point she has to accept responsibility for that.
Besides, we actually know very little about her early life. We have a couple of flash-backs to go off of, but in those Azula's already acting like her bitchy self which means her interactions at that time tell us very little about how she got to be that way in the first place.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'tragic villain', since when I think of 'tragic villain' I think of someone who is doing wrong for certain reasons but who isn't actually irredeemably evil. They either think they're doing right or feel they don't have a choice or something.
Azula's a sadist bordering on sociopathy who suggested her father should commit genocide, and has been acting like that for as far back as the flash-backs have gone. She really doesn't have any redeeming qualities.

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That Iroh is as stable and... well, functional as he is given how utterly fucked up that entire family situation seems to be is pretty damn incredible. And Ursa does contribute plenty to that family dysfunction, though if you take the comics as canon, she really did not have much choice in the matter. Given Zuko seems to take more after his mother, while Azula clearly takes after Ozai, I could see that reminder of Ursa's forced marriage leading to her playing favorites, even if she didn't really mean to, y'know?

I imagine Ursa's relationship with Azula is rather self-perpetuating. Azula starts off gravitating towards Ozai (who quickly favors her) while Ursa sympathizes with Zuko due to the constant abuse rained down on his head. Azula then becomes increasingly bitchy and piles even more abuse onto Zuko which drives Ursa away from Azula and towards Zuko even more.

Disclaimer: Haven't actually read comics.