Metal Genre Music Discussion

[Immoren]

I think I like Serenity. I don't give karp whether they are unoriginal or not.

[Scotovy]

I think I like Serenity. I don't give karp whether they are unoriginal or not.

Yeah, not a fan.

[Cruciland]

What does everyone think of Raubtier? They're a heavy German metal band I discovered.

[Mesoland]

What does everyone think of Raubtier? They're a heavy German metal band I discovered.

I'm a fan of Rammstein, so I might check them out.

[Demen 2]

Dat riff

[Former Wellboneland]

Dat riff

I am now a fan.

[Scotovy]

Dat riff

Good riff, but the vocals don't do it for me.

[Trollgaard]

I recently bought a cd from this band:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqPfKy4NuwY

I think they are a solid black metal band. I'm glad a picked them up.

[Oterro]

Pelican are really really good though I think they could do with a vocalist. But I guess if they're currently composing their music instrumentally adding vocals would be detrimental.

[Schwabenreich]

What does everyone think of Raubtier? They're a heavy German metal band I discovered.

They're swedish (though their band name is german).

Also, I dislike industrial greatly(if I had my way it wouldn't be associated with metal). So I think quite little of them.

What does everyone think of Raubtier? They're a heavy German metal band I discovered.

I'm a fan of Rammstein, so I might check them out.

They're better then Rammstein atleast.

Dat riff

Good riff, but the vocals don't do it for me.

Same here, though I prefer the vocals to a lot of others that come up on this topic.

[New England and The Maritimes]

What does everyone think of Raubtier? They're a heavy German metal band I discovered.

They're swedish (though their band name is german).

Also, I dislike industrial greatly(if I had my way it wouldn't be associated with metal). So I think quite little of them.

Why is it associated with metal at all? They're not similar in any way.

I'm a fan of Rammstein, so I might check them out.

They're better then Rammstein atleast.

Not saying much. Not sure how Rammstein is relevant on a metal thread, though.

Good riff, but the vocals don't do it for me.

Same here, though I prefer the vocals to a lot of others that come up on this topic.

Vocals generally don't matter to me, but whiny, nasally, clear tenors piss me off.

[Schwabenreich]

Why is it associated with metal at all? They're not similar in any way.

I guess at some point distortion and unclean vocals became synonymous with metal. Unfortunately.

Not saying much. Not sure how Rammstein is relevant on a metal thread, though.

Ideally, it wouldn't be but Raubtier is like a swedish clone with better instrumentals.

Vocals generally don't matter to me, but whiny, nasally, clear tenors piss me off.

Yeah, those are awful, somewhat unrelated to the vocals in that link but yeah, those are one of the many kinds of vocals I hate.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Why is it associated with metal at all? They're not similar in any way.

I guess at some point distortion and unclean vocals became synonymous with metal. Unfortunately.

Ridicuclous.

Not saying much. Not sure how Rammstein is relevant on a metal thread, though.

Ideally, it wouldn't be but Raubtier is like a swedish clone with better instrumentals.

So... not a metal band, then?

Vocals generally don't matter to me, but whiny, nasally, clear tenors piss me off.

Yeah, those are awful, somewhat unrelated to the vocals in that link but yeah, those are one of the many kinds of vocals I hate.

[Schwabenreich]

So... not a metal band, then?

Well, personally, I wouldn't say so.

[Former Wellboneland]

I guess at some point distortion and unclean vocals became synonymous with metal. Unfortunately.

Ridicuclous.

Ideally, it wouldn't be but Raubtier is like a swedish clone with better instrumentals.

So... not a metal band, then?

Yeah, those are awful, somewhat unrelated to the vocals in that link but yeah, those are one of the many kinds of vocals I hate.

Rammstein is metal.

If it is not I might as well say Motorhead is not metal.

[Schwabenreich]

Ridicuclous.



So... not a metal band, then?

Rammstein is metal.

If it is not I might as well say Motorhead is not metal.

The difference is that saying Rammstein is not metal is a compliment to the genre and movement (by removing its association with industrial) while saying Motorhead is not metal is sacrilege and insensitive to their contribution to its history and very identity.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Ridicuclous.



So... not a metal band, then?

Rammstein is metal.

If it is not I might as well say Motorhead is not metal.

[Former Wellboneland]

Rammstein is metal.

If it is not I might as well say Motorhead is not metal.

The difference is that saying Rammstein is not metal is a compliment to the genre and movement while saying Motorhead is not metal is sacrilege and insensitive to their contribution to its history and very identity.

Don't get me wrong, I like Motorhead.

It's just insane that you all are standing here saying Rammstein is not metal. You can just say you do not like them :/

[Schwabenreich]

The difference is that saying Rammstein is not metal is a compliment to the genre and movement while saying Motorhead is not metal is sacrilege and insensitive to their contribution to its history and very identity.

Don't get me wrong, I like Motorhead.

It's just insane that you all are standing here saying Rammstein is not metal. You can just say you do not like them :/

When you're invested in a musical genre, and it had a sound you really liked, and developed more sounds you really liked, then developed one you despise, you don't want to legitimise that because it reflects negatively on the Heavy Metal you grew up loving. This is why metal fans allow themselves to be elitist and why they group what they don't like into poser metal or 'not' metal at all.

Also, the popularity of the genres that, hijacked off of Heavy Metal makes Traditional Heavy Metal and Thrash Metal fans feel like they're losing their thing as they become less and less, what people associate with heavy metal. You can see that in this very thread. Black Metal, Death Metal, Viking Metal, Folk Metal and perhaps most depressingly, Nu Metal, are all heavily represented in this very thread, despite none of them having much in common with the traditional heavy metal movement. I despise Nu Metal, I despise Industrial, however, I like some Black, some Death, some Viking, some Folk and yet they are not what I want people to think when they hear 'metal' or 'heavy metal'.

[New England and The Maritimes]

The difference is that saying Rammstein is not metal is a compliment to the genre and movement while saying Motorhead is not metal is sacrilege and insensitive to their contribution to its history and very identity.

Don't get me wrong, I like Motorhead.

It's just insane that you all are standing here saying Rammstein is not metal. You can just say you do not like them :/

I can't see how Rammstein is metal. Let's see. Some form of distortion in their guitar work... okay. That's all they've got.

[Former Wellboneland]

Don't get me wrong, I like Motorhead.

It's just insane that you all are standing here saying Rammstein is not metal. You can just say you do not like them :/

When you're invested in a musical genre, and it had a sound you really liked, and developed more sounds you really liked, then developed one you despise, you don't want to legitimise that because it reflects negatively on the Heavy Metal you grew up loving. This is why metal fans allow themselves to be elitist and why they group what they don't like into poser metal or 'not' metal at all.

Also, the popularity of the genres that, hijacked off of Heavy Metal makes Traditional Heavy Metal and Thrash Metal fans feel like they're losing their thing as they become less and less, what people associate with heavy metal. You can see that in this very thread. Black Metal, Death Metal, Viking Metal, Folk Metal and perhaps most depressingly, Nu Metal, are all heavily represented in this very thread, despite none of them having much in common with the traditional heavy metal movement. I despite Nu Metal, I despite Industrial, however, I like some Black, some Death, some Viking, some Folk and yet there not what I want people to think when they hear 'metal' or 'heavy metal'.

I can agree with you when you say that Thrash and Heavy Metal are the best, and I like some nu-metal, but I respect your opinion, and can see why you hate it. I can also see why you think Thrash and Heavy metal are becoming less and less, and agree with you there. I consider Metallica dead because they became sellouts with "St. Anger."

Still, I accept all genres. Even Djent, and I hate that with a passion.

[Schwabenreich]

Don't get me wrong, I like Motorhead.

It's just insane that you all are standing here saying Rammstein is not metal. You can just say you do not like them :/

I can't see how Rammstein is metal. Let's see. Some form of distortion in their guitar work... okay. That's all they've got.

Well to be fair, the vocalists vocals seem like they're derived from the thrash metal snarls that Dave Mustaine and other artists pioneered, and they do use some riffs and rythyms with a likeness similar to hard rock and heavy metal, that were once synonomous however they managed to muck them up and put on gimmicky sounds that make it sound more like a synthesizer then an instrument.

I can agree with you when you say that Thrash and Heavy Metal are the best

=D

and I like some nu-metal

many years ago, when I was like fourteen I actually liked Linkin Park and System of a Down and Korn and all that stuff that I've come to hate, I think its a phase people go through.

but I respect your opinion, and can see why you hate it.

I wish everyone was as civil as you =D

I can also see why you think Thrash and Heavy metal are becoming less and less, and agree with you there. I consider Metallica dead because they became sellouts with "St. Anger."

I think we all do, even Death Magnetic couldn't wash away what St Anger and the albums between did to their reputation.

Still, I accept all genres. Even Djent, and I hate that with a passion.

Well, I have no love of Djent, but I certainly don't accept all genres and I guess we're going to have to disagree there.

[Oterro]

ITT we talk about how trve we are

the NWOBHM isn't that good, to be honest.

Speed metal's gnaff, as is thrash, ''traditional heavy metal'' is pretty boring and samey.

really you should be honoured to be associated with the grim kvlt north yo.

If you're seriously basing your argument that Rammstein aren't metal around ''damn smh they don't sound like motorhead ):'' well motorhead sound nothing like Black Sabbath, bub, step up to the true doom plate.

[Schwabenreich]

ITT we talk about how trve we are

Unfortunately.

the NWOBHM isn't that good, to be honest.

I loved it. I still do love it. I wish it never declined.

Speed metal's gnaff, as is thrash, ''traditional heavy metal'' is pretty boring and samey.

Thats an awful thing to say. Some bands sounded similar, some were diverse. As a movement in general I'd say its more innovative then many others.

really you should be honoured to be associated with the grim kvlt north yo.

That is an cruel and hurtful to say, and not what a true metalhead with any respect for Heavy Metal would say.

If you're seriously basing your argument that Rammstein aren't metal around ''damn smh they don't sound like motorhead ):'' well motorhead sound nothing like Black Sabbath, bub, step up to the true doom plate.

Black Sabbath and Motorhead also rocked more. Neither of which sounded like growls to a techno track. They both had fast paced riffs (by the standards of their time) and were both tied to the respective hard rock movements of their time. As far as Black Sabbath is concerned though, their first few albums I'd say earn more brownie points for pioneering a metal sound then being one. What with them breaking away from that 60s rock and trying to play a little less uppity and going with a darker theme. They weren't the first heavy metal, but they were one of the first to firmly disassociate themselves from the proto-metal sound, and they pioneered a rougher distortion by plugging guitar into bass jacks before it was hip to have less clean guitar.

Motorhead played better, harder and faster then Black Sabbath so if they differentiated themselves from Black Sabbath it was in positive ways, a compliment I would not pay to the metal genres I've condemned in this thread.

Also I liked Serial Experiments Lain.

[Former Wellboneland]

I can't see how Rammstein is metal. Let's see. Some form of distortion in their guitar work... okay. That's all they've got.

Well to be fair, the vocalists vocals seem like they're derived from the thrash metal snarls that Dave Mustaine and other artists pioneered, and they do use some riffs and rythyms with a likeness similar to hard rock and heavy metal, that were once synonomous however they managed to muck them up and put on gimmicky sounds that make it sound more like a synthesizer then an instrument.

I can agree with you when you say that Thrash and Heavy Metal are the best

=D

and I like some nu-metal

many years ago, when I was like fourteen I actually liked Linkin Park and System of a Down and Korn and all that stuff that I've come to hate, I think its a phase people go through.

but I respect your opinion, and can see why you hate it.

I wish everyone was as civil as you =D

I can also see why you think Thrash and Heavy metal are becoming less and less, and agree with you there. I consider Metallica dead because they became sellouts with "St. Anger."

I think we all do, even Death Magnetic couldn't wash away what St Anger and the albums between did to their reputation.

Still, I accept all genres. Even Djent, and I hate that with a passion.

Well, I have no love of Djent, but I certainly don't accept all genres and I guess we're going to have to disagree there.

Linkin Park are sellouts, SOAD are sellouts by accident, and Korn is best nu-metal band.
Death Magnetic is cool. Metallica got so bad that Evile, a band that copies Old Metallica, just made a song better than all new Metallica albums combined.