Annihilation April/May Massacre: Cybersexing Deletions

[Rioghachd na h-Alba]

If a friend of mine broke a rule on NS, I wouldn't defend the, because they're my friend, I'd defend them if I thought the punishment was unjust. I don't think it is this case.

I think the announcement was delivered in a bad manner.

Well the punishment is unjust to some people. The ones that have already received warnings I can accept, but the ones who are first time offender it is uncalled for.

In my case, I wasn't involved in any ERPing other than one particular instance a few months ago, which is what I'd assume got me in trouble. Being warned or banned for a bit, fine, the lesson is learned and a punishment is carried out. Being deleted and losing so much work it's not even funny, because of one foolish mistake on my behalf? Seems quite excessive.

[Esternial]

That's likely an impression you're getting because of Reppy's phrasing, but I strongly doubt it. Reppy thought this and that was icky but she's been around long enough not to give someone a harsher punishment because they went with a fetish she's disgusted by.

I think I can have at least that much faith in the Moderation staff, and they all know I'm not someone who keeps his complaints to himself.

Thanks for the explanation, I understand the reasoning much more now.
My only annoyance is that this was made public. Yeah, people should know what happened, but honestly, that phrasing needed to stay out. If I were one of the people affected, I'd feel miserable. A post naming people with subjectively icky fetishes isn't that... okay, in my opinion.

'Hey, look at these ewwy people!'

I agree, it was too specific. I recall Luna stating "we don't owe deleted players and DOS'ers any favours" regarding a different subject and I'm kinda worried that mindset is common with site staff, on this issue as well. It gives off the impression that there was little thought given for the punished players' situation.

While I kinda feel these punished players do deserve some more diplomatic phrasing. A short post stating they were punished for cybersex without any details would have sufficed. I don't even disagree with posting names, because I feel that's kind of important. It just got a little too...specific.

[New Grestin]

if she was around long enough not to let it influence her judgements. why did she keep the 'it's icky' thought aroud long enough to write that post? because while I sincerely hope that the judgement was made 'fairly', her phrasing and word play 'mod most in need of a brain bleach right now'. indicate that she clearly felt it important to get out there just how bad people we were in HER eyes. and her eyes only.
I had faith in the moderation staff. this is what crashed that faith. the deletion was fair. the post here, was not written fairly.

I think you're reading too much into what Reppy said because you're looking for something to be outraged about.

She wrote the entire post somewhat informally, yes. You can be mad at her for that, but saying that her personal opinions significantly influenced her judgement is purely conjecture. You're blaming her for something you imagine she did, something people here have also been doing to the people that were punished here.

This.

I can only speculate, but perhaps the harshness of the decision was not simply because the content was NSFW, but because Moderation hadn't caught it for this long. People having prior warnings was just more red on an already pretty red ledger.

The Mods don't cast down judgements from on-high just for shits and giggles. There were obviously more mods than Rep involved, and the sheer volume of punishments indicates to me that this was a much larger issue than was initially thought.

[Souseiseki]

That's likely an impression you're getting because of Reppy's phrasing, but I strongly doubt it. Reppy thought this and that was icky but she's been around long enough not to give someone a harsher punishment because they went with a fetish she's disgusted by.

I think I can have at least that much faith in the Moderation staff, and they all know I'm not someone who keeps his complaints to himself.

Thanks for the explanation, I understand the reasoning much more now.
My only annoyance is that this was made public. Yeah, people should know what happened, but honestly, that phrasing needed to stay out. If I were one of the people affected, I'd feel miserable. A post naming people with subjectively icky fetishes isn't that... okay, in my opinion.

'Hey, look at these ewwy people!'

The post mentions a cross-section of things that were found. Individual posters are not tied to any specific offence. Can you actually determined who is into incest from that post alone?

[Italios]

Well the punishment is unjust to some people. The ones that have already received warnings I can accept, but the ones who are first time offender it is uncalled for.

In my case, I wasn't involved in any ERPing other than one particular instance a few months ago, which is what I'd assume got me in trouble. Being warned or banned for a bit, fine, the lesson is learned and a punishment is carried out. Being deleted and losing so much work it's not even funny, because of one foolish mistake on my behalf? Seems quite excessive.

I wasn't aware they DEATed people from infractions that happened a while ago, like some bizarre delayed reaction warning. The repeated offenses sort of had it coming though.

[Souseiseki]

Well the punishment is unjust to some people. The ones that have already received warnings I can accept, but the ones who are first time offender it is uncalled for.

In my case, I wasn't involved in any ERPing other than one particular instance a few months ago, which is what I'd assume got me in trouble. Being warned or banned for a bit, fine, the lesson is learned and a punishment is carried out. Being deleted and losing so much work it's not even funny, because of one foolish mistake on my behalf? Seems quite excessive.

That said the idea of a DEAT for one thing months ago does seem particularly egregious.

[Neu Engollon]

Thank you mods for doing your jobs, as distasteful as it might have been and continue to be.

All you people that are whining about unfairness will have some more rude awakening in the years to come. The scale of depravity aside, what happened was well within the right of Max Barry and his administrators to do. They are on the hook for any legal troubles that might arise from such activity. In the professional realm, it's pretty commonly known that you can't use work place email for anything that is inappropriate and puts your place of employment at risk, legal or not. Illegal activity conducted on servers or ISPs are subjected to subpoenas, even if they are not work related. You are liable for what you do, real world or cyber world, and you should consider yourselves lucky that all that happened at most was a ban from using a free RP site. Move on and conduct yourselves elsewhere if you can't deal with the well deserved judgment.

[Ymir ridge]

Thanks for the explanation, I understand the reasoning much more now.
My only annoyance is that this was made public. Yeah, people should know what happened, but honestly, that phrasing needed to stay out. If I were one of the people affected, I'd feel miserable. A post naming people with subjectively icky fetishes isn't that... okay, in my opinion.

'Hey, look at these ewwy people!'

I agree, it was too specific. I recall Luna stating "we don't owe deleted players and DOS'ers any favours" regarding a different subject and I'm kinda worried that mindset is common with site staff, on this issue as well. It gives off the impression that there was little thought given for the punished players' situation.

While I kinda feel these punished players do deserve some more diplomatic phrasing. A short post stating they were punished for cybersex without any details would have sufficed. I don't even disagree with posting names, because I feel that's kind of important. It just got a little too...specific.

thank you. that was all I have been trying to get acros since i started this morning.

[Esternial]

Thanks for the explanation, I understand the reasoning much more now.
My only annoyance is that this was made public. Yeah, people should know what happened, but honestly, that phrasing needed to stay out. If I were one of the people affected, I'd feel miserable. A post naming people with subjectively icky fetishes isn't that... okay, in my opinion.

'Hey, look at these ewwy people!'

The post mentions a cross-section of things that were found. Individual posters are not tied to any specific offence. Can you actually determined who is into incest from that post alone?

The problem is that, because of that, some people might think their friend was into particularly weird stuff while in their case they just did some vanilla stuff.

People having their "image" dirtied like this can be pretty serious. Don't forget some are probably teenagers and getting burnt like this in high school is the equivalent of one's world ending to some people.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Well the punishment is unjust to some people. The ones that have already received warnings I can accept, but the ones who are first time offender it is uncalled for.

In my case, I wasn't involved in any ERPing other than one particular instance a few months ago, which is what I'd assume got me in trouble. Being warned or banned for a bit, fine, the lesson is learned and a punishment is carried out. Being deleted and losing so much work it's not even funny, because of one foolish mistake on my behalf? Seems quite excessive.

Well, like I said before, if it was only once, you should appeal.

[Rikatan]

I agree, it was too specific. I recall Luna stating "we don't owe deleted players and DOS'ers any favours" regarding a different subject and I'm kinda worried that mindset is common with site staff, on this issue as well. It gives off the impression that there was little thought given for the punished players' situation.

While I kinda feel these punished players do deserve some more diplomatic phrasing. A short post stating they were punished for cybersex without any details would have sufficed. I don't even disagree with posting names, because I feel that's kind of important. It just got a little too...specific.

Anyone deserves respect, honestly. I didn't know these guys, but I'd treat them the exact same way after today as before, if I ever met them, no questions asked.

The post mentions a cross-section of things that were found. Individual posters are not tied to any specific offence. Can you actually determined who is into incest from that post alone?

I cannot do such a thing, but I do believe that people will tend to be associated with everything that happened instead of none of it.

[The Imperial Citizens Alliance]

Still alive!! Then again, I've only been around for a few hours. Well my other nations Aterria and Aterrian Union are still fine!

[The Serbian Empire]

In my case, I wasn't involved in any ERPing other than one particular instance a few months ago, which is what I'd assume got me in trouble. Being warned or banned for a bit, fine, the lesson is learned and a punishment is carried out. Being deleted and losing so much work it's not even funny, because of one foolish mistake on my behalf? Seems quite excessive.

Well, like I said before, if it was only once, you should appeal.

Appeals once the DEATing has happened don't work. It's past the point of no return.

[Esternial]

I cannot do such a thing, but I do believe that people will tend to be associated with everything that happened instead of none of it.

Aye, that's what worries me, too. I've seen a couple "disgusting" comments in regard to these people and in some cases it can be entirely unjustified.

I know a couple of people on that list and I wouldn't want them being discriminated against like some bunch of sexual offenders.

So I do hope Moderation takes this thread down soon.

[Italios]

Well, like I said before, if it was only once, you should appeal.

Appeals once the DEATing has happened don't work. It's past the point of no return.

Not really. A couple of people were DEATed for "concealing" the identity of a returning DOS player - remember that? They made appeals, iirc, and had their nations restored.

[The Ben Boys]

I've said this before, many, many times – I'm not arguing no punishment should be doled out, I'm arguing the punishments are too harsh when compared to posting such material publicly.


Right, but DoSes for this seems excessive.

DoS for something that gets people into jail isn't excessive.

I don't know why it's so hard for people to grasp. A particularly driven litigator could cause NS a lot of grief, maybe even lead to a shutdown.

[New Grestin]

So I do hope Moderation takes this thread down soon.

I'm shocked they haven't yet.

I mean, it's what, May now? Aren't we in the early throes of NS Summer?

I'm shocked the thread isn't filled with pony-bashers and white knights.

[Rikatan]

I cannot do such a thing, but I do believe that people will tend to be associated with everything that happened instead of none of it.

Aye, that's what worries me, too. I've seen a couple "disgusting" comments in regard to these people and in some cases it can be entirely unjustified.

I know a couple of people on that list and I wouldn't want them being discriminated against like some bunch of sexual offenders.

I actually own an extensive collection of fetishes so I can't help but cringe reading some of these reactions.
But to be serious, I was aware of the act of using TGs for this kind of roleplay already, just never had actual names. I've actually had to refuse several offers of sexual roleplay before. I honestly don't understand why NS is such a good place for people to get to that level. You rarely get to the 'wow, you're into [...] too? pm me' on a normal website, you know.

So I do hope Moderation takes this thread down soon.

The harm is done, I'm sure. And word spreads around anyway. But I doubt anything major will happen. No one comes to you in any thread and starts blabbering about how much of a horrible person you are. You generally separate your identity from what you're discussing in most NS threads.

Also, for me, this thread is technically half-down. All posts here are constantly unseen, clicking it from 'latest forum topics' brings up the 'this topic doesn't exist' message, and the thread doesn't appear in the My Posts section. Ghost thread confirmed?

[Todd McCloud]

...How long has this stuff been going on? Apologies in advance if this was asked prior.

Also, another question, does moderation have the ability to look at telegrams like in a list form? Perhaps if there were certain words that when sent out it in a telegram would flag said telegram? I don't know if something like that is in place already, but it'd be really helpful in my opinion.

[Litorea]

I cannot do such a thing, but I do believe that people will tend to be associated with everything that happened instead of none of it.

Aye, that's what worries me, too. I've seen a couple "disgusting" comments in regard to these people and in some cases it can be entirely unjustified.

I know a couple of people on that list and I wouldn't want them being discriminated against like some bunch of sexual offenders.

So I do hope Moderation takes this thread down soon.

Agreed. This thing needs to end.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

...How long has this stuff been going on? Apologies in advance if this was asked prior.

Also, another question, does moderation have the ability to look at telegrams like in a list form? Perhaps if there were certain words that when sent out it in a telegram would flag said telegram? I don't know if something like that is in place already, but it'd be really helpful in my opinion.

The 'investigation' was done during a four-month period.

[RiderSyl]

Between Predator and this, "Annihilation April" should be the permanent nickname for April 2016.

[Bycrest]

...How long has this stuff been going on? Apologies in advance if this was asked prior.

Also, another question, does moderation have the ability to look at telegrams like in a list form? Perhaps if there were certain words that when sent out it in a telegram would flag said telegram? I don't know if something like that is in place already, but it'd be really helpful in my opinion.

The 'investigation' was done during a four-month period.

And it originally wasn't even looking for this stuff, they were looking for something else and just "happened" to find all of the cybersex.

[New Neros]

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[New Rob Halfordia]

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