Annihilation April/May Massacre: Cybersexing Deletions

[West Chesapeake]

Really not a good idea. The site would shut down in an hour.
Mods are really doing (some) good work here. It's not their fault that NS is pg-13.

Yeah, and its not their fault that ns has over-restrictive scripting rules. Or a nonsensical flag policy. Or any other such crap.

They still enforce it though.

So why not start your own site?

At the very least please stop whining about his site's policies. Your posts are becoming tedious and repetitive.

The rules of this site are clearly posted and widely known. If you don't Ike them then perhaps it is not the site for you.

[New Grestin]

The Nation names were put here so that there wouldn't be any other threads with people asking "what happened to X?"

There's the unintentional side effect of everyone knowing exactly who's who, including myself. This means we're likely going to be rejected from future RPs on the basis of being on this list when it happened, kicked out of existing ones for being involved with this, or people not wishing to join an RP run by one of the players on said list because 'they're a dirty degenerate pervert'.

I get trying to control all the questions about people being deleted, but I don't think much thought went into the side effects of doing it this way.

If people didn't want to be involved in this kind of mess, they shouldn't have been doing this in the first place.

The site rules are pretty blunt about it. Nobody is gloating about this. When the banhammer falls, it falls on everyone. I lost at least one member of my RPing group that, while she wasn't exactly the finest writer at times, was still someone I looked forward to having around.

Even if recent events do cast the prior activities of the listed users in a different light, I highly doubt the mods posted the names just to slander people and 'ave a giggle at the lollies or whatever.

[Litorea]

I don't know... I've seen people turned DoS for far less frequent non PG-13 interactions in the past.

Exactly.

If you read the post, it's clear that these people already had a prior track record, as well as doing this stuff EXCESSIVELY.

But non PG-13 interactions in a supposedly private space? And what kind of track record? Besides, having a high libido is not a crime if it's done in a supposedly private space.

I'm still waiting for reasons why the moderation team started to dig this dirty laundry up in the first place and also want to know what those prior records engender.

[Queen Yuno]

Arkadacia is right. No other site moderation slanders players on public forum...It'd be better if you could ask for your name to get taken off the list. Totally humiliating.

[Eliot Isaraider II]

Does anybody happen to have a spoon that I can borrow to gouge my eyes out after reading this? The things that go on in the internet.
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[Nation of Quebec]

As I said earlier in this, NationStates is NOT the place to be posting out this kind of garbage. It's clearly against the rules so the people involved in such activities really shouldn't be surprised that they're getting their nations deleted, especially if they have a prior track record.

If you don't like the rules and are unable to follow them, then you really should find some other place to play. Don't ruin NationStates for the rest of us who do follow the rules.

[Litorea]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=285075


If anyone contemplates suicide because of a webforum, I think it's time to take a step back and realize that it's all just some text on a screen.

Maybe, but this is more than that, these are reputations and friendships we're talking about here. Having your name on that shitlist pretty much means you're dead to most of the community.

[Litorea]

As I said earlier in this, NationStates is NOT the place to be posting out this kind of garbage. It's clearly against the rules so the people involved in such activities really shouldn't be surprised that they're getting their nations deleted, especially if they have a prior track record.

If you don't like the rules and are unable to follow them, then you really should find some other place to play. Don't ruin NationStates for the rest of us who do follow the rules.

Except it wasn't posted and it was undertaken in a space which was thought to be private?

[Doom Legions]

Arkadacia is right. No other site moderation slanders players on public forum...It'd be better if you could ask for your name to get taken off the list. Totally humiliating.

I am quite sure that if you're on it, at this point it's far too late.

[Arkadacia]

If people didn't want to be involved in this kind of mess, they shouldn't have been doing this in the first place.

The site rules are pretty blunt about it. Nobody is gloating about this. When the banhammer falls, it falls on everyone. I lost at least one member of my RPing group that, while she wasn't exactly the finest writer at times, was still someone I looked forward to having around.

Even if recent events do cast the prior activities of the listed users in a different light, I highly doubt the mods posted the names just to slander people and 'ave a giggle at the lollies or whatever.

I'm acutely aware of that, you don't need to ram it down people's throats. My problem isn't with the ruling itself, it's fair and makes sense. Again, it's the matter in which the revealing of it was handled.

Sorry, did you not notice the long string of 'oh i told you so' scattered throughout this thread and TET? Or people saying these sorts of people don't belong on this site and we're glad they're gone? Pardon me if I find that just a tad gloaty.

I don't think the slander or what have you was intentional, I'm just saying that it should've been thought of a bit more for those of us who haven't been put on DOS-status. I've had to take a sabbatical from a fairly major RP I participate in to do damage control. I get that you might not care as much because this doesn't affect you, but as someone who tries to run a decent, non-idiotic F7 thread, I'm already seeing people talking shit about F7ers as a bunch of dirty smutty heathens on a scale that I haven't seen since the Wombat was around.

Does anybody happen to have a spoon that I can borrow to gouge my eyes out after reading this? The things that go on in the internet.
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o_O

Also, this sort of thing too. This helps nobody, and contributes nothing. Trust me, I've seen a million times worse.

Arkadacia is right. No other site moderation slanders players on public forum...It'd be better if you could ask for your name to get taken off the list. Totally humiliating.

I am quite sure that if you're on it, at this point it's far too late.

That doesn't instantly make it the right decision if it's too late to reverse it, I'm fairly certain.

[Ontorisa]

The following are Delete-On-Sight due to the sheer volume/varieties of cybersexing that they were caught at coupled with prior warning histories:
-Lingria
-Colonial Rhodesia
-Korona Alliance

The following have had their nations puppetswept for excessive cybersexing, and a 6-month ban on using telegrams with any new puppets (note that attempting to use puppets to evade the ban will result in the deletion of all new nations and a likely upgrade to DOS status):
-New Strausberg

The following nations are deleted for at least one instance of obscene telegram content, and a 6-month ban on using telegrams with their other nations (note that attempting to use puppets to evade the ban will result in the deletion of all new nations and a likely upgrade to DOS status):

-Mirakai
-Crumlark
-Kazarstan
-Scamvidia

Holy shit this is scary. I've been in both II and P2TM RPs with these guys. Wow, talk about Appearance vs. Reality.

[The Orson Empire]

As I said earlier in this, NationStates is NOT the place to be posting out this kind of garbage. It's clearly against the rules so the people involved in such activities really shouldn't be surprised that they're getting their nations deleted, especially if they have a prior track record.

If you don't like the rules and are unable to follow them, then you really should find some other place to play. Don't ruin NationStates for the rest of us who do follow the rules.

Except it wasn't posted and it was undertaken in a space which was thought to be private?

No. TG's are not necessarily private (as the mods can still see them).

Even still, there are explicit rules against this garbage that apply to both the forums and telegrams.

[Litorea]

The following are Delete-On-Sight due to the sheer volume/varieties of cybersexing that they were caught at coupled with prior warning histories:
-Lingria
-Colonial Rhodesia
-Korona Alliance

The following have had their nations puppetswept for excessive cybersexing, and a 6-month ban on using telegrams with any new puppets (note that attempting to use puppets to evade the ban will result in the deletion of all new nations and a likely upgrade to DOS status):
-New Strausberg

The following nations are deleted for at least one instance of obscene telegram content, and a 6-month ban on using telegrams with their other nations (note that attempting to use puppets to evade the ban will result in the deletion of all new nations and a likely upgrade to DOS status):

-Mirakai
-Crumlark
-Kazarstan
-Scamvidia

Holy shit this is scary. I've been in both II and P2TM RPs with these guys. Wow, talk about Appearance vs. Reality.

They're people, not predators. As a pervert myself I assure you that they're probably perfectly human.

It's not like you don't have any dirty laundry, so stop acting like it.

[Litorea]

Except it wasn't posted and it was undertaken in a space which was thought to be private?

No. TG's are not necessarily private (as the mods can still see them).

Even still, there are explicit rules against this garbage that apply to both the forums and telegrams.

That's why I said thought to be private. And yes, there are rules, but seriously, DoSing for this?

[The Orson Empire]

The Nation names were put here so that there wouldn't be any other threads with people asking "what happened to X?"

There's the unintentional side effect of everyone knowing exactly who's who, including myself. This means we're likely going to be rejected from future RPs on the basis of being on this list when it happened, kicked out of existing ones for being involved with this, or people not wishing to join an RP run by one of the players on said list because 'they're a dirty degenerate pervert'.

I get trying to control all the questions about people being deleted, but I don't think much thought went into the side effects of doing it this way.

It's honestly your own fault, man. It is obvious that something like this is against the rules, so if you didn't want to be called out for it, you shouldn't have done it.

No. TG's are not necessarily private (as the mods can still see them).

Even still, there are explicit rules against this garbage that apply to both the forums and telegrams.

That's why I said thought to be private. And yes, there are rules, but seriously, DoSing for this?

It is a pretty grievous infraction of the rules, though.

[Litorea]

There's the unintentional side effect of everyone knowing exactly who's who, including myself. This means we're likely going to be rejected from future RPs on the basis of being on this list when it happened, kicked out of existing ones for being involved with this, or people not wishing to join an RP run by one of the players on said list because 'they're a dirty degenerate pervert'.

I get trying to control all the questions about people being deleted, but I don't think much thought went into the side effects of doing it this way.

It's honestly your own fault, man. It is obvious that something like this is against the rules, so if you didn't want to be called out for it, you shouldn't have done it.

That's why I said thought to be private. And yes, there are rules, but seriously, DoSing for this?

It is a pretty grievous infraction of the rules, though.

Even though no one except the participants and the mods, who, by the way, have given no reason for looking into inboxes in the first place, have seen these actions?

[Italios]

As I said earlier in this, NationStates is NOT the place to be posting out this kind of garbage. It's clearly against the rules so the people involved in such activities really shouldn't be surprised that they're getting their nations deleted, especially if they have a prior track record.

If you don't like the rules and are unable to follow them, then you really should find some other place to play. Don't ruin NationStates for the rest of us who do follow the rules.

Except it wasn't posted and it was undertaken in a space which was thought to be private?

The key words are "thought to be" in this statement. "I didn't know this wasn't allowed" is not an excuse for breaking site rules. Maybe an explanation, but not an excuse.

[Italios]

It's honestly your own fault, man. It is obvious that something like this is against the rules, so if you didn't want to be called out for it, you shouldn't have done it.

It is a pretty grievous infraction of the rules, though.

Even though no one except the participants and the mods, who, by the way, have given no reason for looking into inboxes in the first place, have seen these actions?

It's already been said that the PG-13 rules extends to the entire site, forum and and gameside alike, regardless of who saw it.

[The Orson Empire]

It's honestly your own fault, man. It is obvious that something like this is against the rules, so if you didn't want to be called out for it, you shouldn't have done it.

It is a pretty grievous infraction of the rules, though.

Even though no one except the participants and the mods, who, by the way, have given no reason for looking into inboxes in the first place, have seen these actions?

The mods occasionally search telegrams for infractions of the rules, and in this case, the people on that list were breaking the rules.

It doesn't matter if only a few people knew about this. They were still breaking the site rules.

[Doom Legions]

I am quite sure that if you're on it, at this point it's far too late.

That doesn't instantly make it the right decision if it's too late to reverse it, I'm fairly certain.

Maybe, but the damage has most certainly been done. This could've been handled so much better, but honestly I'd be lying if I said I weren't surprised by the.. 'sloppy' way this situation was dealt with.

[Litorea]

Except it wasn't posted and it was undertaken in a space which was thought to be private?

The key words are "thought to be" in this statement. "I didn't know this wasn't allowed" is not an excuse for breaking site rules. Maybe an explanation, but not an excuse.

I'm not arguing this isn't an infraction of the rules, I'm arguing that the punishments are too harsh.

[New Grestin]

If people didn't want to be involved in this kind of mess, they shouldn't have been doing this in the first place.

The site rules are pretty blunt about it. Nobody is gloating about this. When the banhammer falls, it falls on everyone. I lost at least one member of my RPing group that, while she wasn't exactly the finest writer at times, was still someone I looked forward to having around.

Even if recent events do cast the prior activities of the listed users in a different light, I highly doubt the mods posted the names just to slander people and 'ave a giggle at the lollies or whatever.

I'm acutely aware of that, you don't need to ram it down people's throats. My problem isn't with the ruling itself, it's fair and makes sense. Again, it's the matter in which the revealing of it was handled.

Sorry, did you not notice the long string of 'oh i told you so' scattered throughout this thread and TET? Or people saying these sorts of people don't belong on this site and we're glad they're gone? Pardon me if I find that just a tad gloaty.

I don't think the slander or what have you was intentional, I'm just saying that it should've been thought of a bit more for those of us who haven't been put on DOS-status. I've had to take a sabbatical from a fairly major RP I participate in to do damage control. I get that you might not care as much because this doesn't affect you, but as someone who tries to run a decent, non-idiotic F7 thread, I'm already seeing people talking shit about F7ers as a bunch of dirty smutty heathens on a scale that I haven't seen since the Wombat was around.

Evidently I do need to ram it down people's throats, because I've been seeing the same "woe-is-me" nonsense since this announcement was made.

Telegrams are not private. This has been an established fact for years. Don't put shit in telegrams you wouldn't put in the forums, sexual or otherwise. Everyone and their grandma already did this song and dance routine back when people were super shocked the mods could check their TGs.

The Mods, insofar as I can see, stumbled into this mess. They've done exactly what they've always done when a major incident like this occurs.

I mean, this is basically Predator Bust II: Electric Boogaloo, but instead of a bunch of jimmie-rustled raiders, a good chunk of long-time players got the bullet.

People would talk shit if you posted the formula for Cold Fusion on F7. This is nothing new.

[The Orson Empire]

The key words are "thought to be" in this statement. "I didn't know this wasn't allowed" is not an excuse for breaking site rules. Maybe an explanation, but not an excuse.

I'm not arguing this isn't an infraction of the rules, I'm arguing that the punishments are too harsh.

No, it's not. It is very clear that a PG-13 rule exists for the entire site, and those that break it can be deleted.

This was a pretty grievous infraction of the site rules, especially considering all of the...weird fetishes that were involved.

[Italios]

The key words are "thought to be" in this statement. "I didn't know this wasn't allowed" is not an excuse for breaking site rules. Maybe an explanation, but not an excuse.

I'm not arguing this isn't an infraction of the rules, I'm arguing that the punishments are too harsh.

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[Rikatan]

I don't feel like making people's personal interests public, especially when they were expressed through a private medium, is the right thing to do. Just because these people have done something wrong doesn't mean that you're supposed to detail their fetishes and sexual activities.

Also, although I'm not sure why private conversations are subject to PG-13 rules, the possibility of going to another site to do it is so accessible that it doesn't even matter.