by He Qixin » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:36 am
jacknjellify wrote:Watch Battle For Dream Island or be eliminated.
by Frisbeeteria » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:28 pm
by Aclion » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:54 pm
Frisbeeteria wrote:Exactly how to you propose "better management" for ties? Having a score of 100 seems pretty obvious to me. Why would we need to explain that further?
by Pencil Sharpeners 2 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:01 pm
by [violet] » Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:33 pm
by He Qixin » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:51 pm
[violet] wrote:Wow, that's quite a logjam!
I've added Beta 016: Extended Economy, which allows your Economic Efficiency rating to exceed 100 for tie-breaking purposes. Nations with scores below 100 are unaffected.
e: This is a return to what we did before, as described above by Pencil Sharpeners 2. During the big rankings overhaul in 2016, we started using the displayed value, which is capped at 100, instead of the underlying value, which can go higher.
jacknjellify wrote:Watch Battle For Dream Island or be eliminated.
by He Qixin 2 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:18 pm
by He Qixin 2 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:22 pm
[violet] wrote:Why would we need a new descriptor?
There would be no theoretical limit, but in practice it's super difficult to exceed 103.
by Azurius » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:04 pm
Pencil Sharpeners 2 wrote:Authoritarianism still has a large tie at the top (170+ nations). I doubt any scaling or precision changes to economy would help, because most of the nations at 100 are solidly at that value.
Maybe the best way to do it would be to continue to track economic improvements past 100. Kinda like tax rate, but the visible stat stops at 100 and any improvements beyond that are hidden but still affect World ranking. I think that's how it used to be, since prior to the big 2016 update, the nations which ranked the highest for economy were those who also had high industrial ranks, like The Grendels, Nak Nak, and Little Flowers, even though all were shown to have a value of 100.
EDIT: This is the last time it was ranked prior to the 2016 change: https://web.archive.org/web/20160123192 ... page=world
As you can see, those at the top are there because they are economic powerhouses, rather than because they've got a low ID number. I've no idea how that ranking was tracked though (beyond 100), or whether it's possible to go back to that method.
by Hyosung » Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:51 pm
Pencil Sharpeners 2 wrote:Authoritarianism still has a large tie at the top (170+ nations). I doubt any scaling or precision changes to economy would help, because most of the nations at 100 are solidly at that value.
by He Qixin » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:42 am
jacknjellify wrote:Watch Battle For Dream Island or be eliminated.
by [violet] » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:38 pm
Proposed Change: Allow Economic Efficiency rating to exceed 0-100, reverting to the system used pre-2016. Nations with scores between 0-100 are unaffected. This fixes a problem with very large numbers of nations hitting either extreme and not tie-breaking sensibly. There will be no theoretical lower/upper limit, but the plausible min/max is around -5/105. Nations' Economy rating on their front page and default Trend page are unaffected.
by He Qixin » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:49 pm
[violet] wrote:Beta has been updated to address tie-breaking on the bottom end of the scale as well.Proposed Change: Allow Economic Efficiency rating to exceed 0-100, reverting to the system used pre-2016. Nations with scores between 0-100 are unaffected. This fixes a problem with very large numbers of nations hitting either extreme and not tie-breaking sensibly. There will be no theoretical lower/upper limit, but the plausible min/max is around -5/105. Nations' Economy rating on their front page and default Trend page are unaffected.
Proposed Change: Normally, less political freedom is associated with greater government corruption. This beta reverses that effect for legislation that specifically restricts the influence of money in government. It also includes Renormalization (beta 013), which monotonically increases all nations' scores that lie between 1.2 and 40.0.
jacknjellify wrote:Watch Battle For Dream Island or be eliminated.
by Candlewhisper Archive » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:51 am
He Qixin wrote:Okay, then you should also create:
Extended Civil Rights and
Extended Political Freedom.
by Aclion » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:53 am
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:He Qixin wrote:Okay, then you should also create:
Extended Civil Rights and
Extended Political Freedom.
Violet will correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the underlying calculations here actually DO cap out at 0 and 100, so there's no extension of displayed values possible without changing the underlying number.
The difference here is that while Economic Freedom is a 0-100 like political freedom and civil rights, Economy =/= Economic freedom.
by Esmerel » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:51 am
by [violet] » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:12 am
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Violet will correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the underlying calculations here actually DO cap out at 0 and 100, so there's no extension of displayed values possible without changing the underlying number.
The difference here is that while Economic Freedom is a 0-100 like political freedom and civil rights, Economy =/= Economic freedom.
by Pencil Sharpeners 2 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:20 pm
[violet] wrote:Beta has been updated to address tie-breaking on the bottom end of the scale as well.Proposed Change: Allow Economic Efficiency rating to exceed 0-100, reverting to the system used pre-2016. Nations with scores between 0-100 are unaffected. This fixes a problem with very large numbers of nations hitting either extreme and not tie-breaking sensibly. There will be no theoretical lower/upper limit, but the plausible min/max is around -5/105. Nations' Economy rating on their front page and default Trend page are unaffected.
by He Qixin » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:13 am
jacknjellify wrote:Watch Battle For Dream Island or be eliminated.
by Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:25 am
He Qixin wrote:It seems like this beta is already in the "Final Call" status.
1) When will this beta be implemented?
2) When will the other current betas be implemented?
by [violet] » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:44 pm
He Qixin wrote:It seems like this beta is already in the "Final Call" status.
1) When will this beta be implemented?
2) When will the other current betas be implemented?
by Azurius » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:02 pm
He Qixin wrote:Okay, then you should also create:
Extended Civil Rights and
Extended Political Freedom.
by Candlewhisper Archive » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:42 am
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