NATION

PASSWORD

[Suggestion] New Security Council Proposal

Bug reports, general help, ideas for improvements, and questions about how things are meant to work.
User avatar
Adytus
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 441
Founded: Apr 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

[Suggestion] New Security Council Proposal

Postby Adytus » Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:58 am

I think it would be interesting to allow the Security Council to stop troubling nations from gathering influence. The new proposal, when applied to a nation, would prevent the nation from obtaining influence in any region they enter, and could automatically expire in X amount of days. The number of days could be determined in the proposal. I think that would be cool, and perhaps give the council more activity, and purpose. The proposal could still be repealed like the typical resolutions too. It could be similar to an international blockade, or sanctions, and that could be the name of this type of proposal as well. "Sanction Nation X."
Necromancer of Arbitration
In Lazarus

User avatar
Socio Polor
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1240
Founded: Nov 28, 2015
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Socio Polor » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:40 am

Adytus wrote:I think it would be interesting to allow the Security Council to stop troubling nations from gathering influence. The new proposal, when applied to a nation, would prevent the nation from obtaining influence in any region they enter, and could automatically expire in X amount of days. The number of days could be determined in the proposal. I think that would be cool, and perhaps give the council more activity, and purpose. The proposal could still be repealed like the typical resolutions too. It could be similar to an international blockade, or sanctions, and that could be the name of this type of proposal as well. "Sanction Nation X."

Passing a proposal like this could make raiding slightly more difficult

User avatar
Enfaru
Minister
 
Posts: 2921
Founded: Apr 20, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Enfaru » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:48 am

Allow me to speak for all the staff:

"Only when hell freezes over. What we're gonna do instead is create a point tally for every time a nation contributes towards the successful conquering of a region".

...it's sad that I'm not too far from the truth.
Sovereign Charter Quick Links
Factbook · Role-plays · RMB · Map (Origin | Quantum) · Chat · Members: 73
Myraxia: One does not learn to GM; One throws oneself in and prays they don't fuck up too badly.
Game Master
Founder of the Sovereign Charter,
4th President and,
Tutor of the College of Theatrics

User avatar
Socio Polor
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1240
Founded: Nov 28, 2015
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Socio Polor » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:50 am

Enfaru wrote:Allow me to speak for all the staff:

"Only when hell freezes over. What we're gonna do instead is create a point tally for every time a nation contributes towards the successful conquering of a region".

...it's sad that I'm not too far from the truth.

You r not, I agree with u on that

User avatar
Adytus
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 441
Founded: Apr 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Adytus » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:45 pm

Socio polor wrote:
Adytus wrote:I think it would be interesting to allow the Security Council to stop troubling nations from gathering influence. The new proposal, when applied to a nation, would prevent the nation from obtaining influence in any region they enter, and could automatically expire in X amount of days. The number of days could be determined in the proposal. I think that would be cool, and perhaps give the council more activity, and purpose. The proposal could still be repealed like the typical resolutions too. It could be similar to an international blockade, or sanctions, and that could be the name of this type of proposal as well. "Sanction Nation X."

Passing a proposal like this could make raiding slightly more difficult

But is that not the point of the Security Council?
Necromancer of Arbitration
In Lazarus

User avatar
Maljaratas
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1609
Founded: Apr 25, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Maljaratas » Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:05 pm

Adytus wrote:
Socio polor wrote:Passing a proposal like this could make raiding slightly more difficult

But is that not the point of the Security Council?

I'm no expert, but I am going to go with a NO.

The SC does 3 things:
Commend/Condemn; and neither affects raining in the slightest, aside from having a badge.
Liberations do affect Raiding, but (I believe) have been used by raiders as a tool to further their raids, and really only affect long-term raids.

Again, I'm no expert so feel free to correct me.
"There are decades when nothing happens. There are weeks where decades happen" -Vladimir Lenin

User avatar
Mousebumples
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 8623
Founded: Antiquity
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Mousebumples » Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:26 pm

Maljaratas wrote:
Adytus wrote:But is that not the point of the Security Council?

I'm no expert, but I am going to go with a NO.

The SC does 3 things:
Commend/Condemn; and neither affects raining in the slightest, aside from having a badge.
Liberations do affect Raiding, but (I believe) have been used by raiders as a tool to further their raids, and really only affect long-term raids.

Again, I'm no expert so feel free to correct me.

Liberations, historically, have been used "offensively" before. NAZI EUROPE (prior to being refounded) was once-upon-a-time founderless and had a Liberation imposed upon it, which meant that the Nazis couldn't lock down the region or try to refound it themselves. There's a bunch of debate about what is/was "right" in those threads - including some players that usually agree with each other falling on opposite sides of that battle.
Leader of the Mouse-a-rific Mousetastic Moderator Mousedom of Mousebumples
Past WA Delegate for Europeia & Monkey Island
Proud Member of UNOG
I'm an "adorably marvelous NatSov" - Mallorea and Riva
GA Resolutions (sorted by category) | Why Repeal? | Reppy's Sig Workshop

User avatar
Reploid Productions
Director of Moderation
 
Posts: 30511
Founded: Antiquity
Democratic Socialists

Postby Reploid Productions » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:15 am

It's an intriguing idea, but I think the net result would be simply making the purely mechanical tag-raiding even more attractive versus longer-term, more political and subterfuge-driven coups. Individual nations are extremely disposable, especially in the raiding community, there's no way these Sanction proposals could keep up with that. What it would do well for is weakening potential target regions, making them more difficult to defend, or make in-region coups easier by hampering the sitting delegate's (or border control RO's) ability to eject detractors. It would be completely ineffective at stopping or even slowing all but the absolute most amateur of newbie raiders.

Cutting ALL influence gain is too much, IMO. Maybe something that slows influence gain rather than stop it dead.
Forum mod since May 8, 2003 -- Game mod since May 19, 2003 -- Nation turned 20 on March 23, 2023!
Sunset's DoGA FAQ - For those using DoGA to make their NS military and such.
One Stop Rules Shop -- Reppy's Sig Workshop -- Getting Help Page
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
Char Aznable/Giant Meteor 2024! - Forcing humanity to move into space and progress whether we goddamn want to or not!

User avatar
Sedgistan
Site Director
 
Posts: 35475
Founded: Oct 20, 2006
Anarchy

Postby Sedgistan » Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:11 am

Enfaru wrote:Allow me to speak for all the staff:

Please don't.

I'm certainly open to new SC categories, but this one needs more thought put into how it'd be used and what the impact of that would be.

User avatar
The Blaatschapen
Technical Moderator
 
Posts: 63227
Founded: Antiquity
Anarchy

Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:32 am

One problem with this category is that the people who are raiding, use puppets. SC proposals don't target "players" but rather "nations". So it would both require a puppet-check related to this (not likely; though there is something in place for voting on dispatches) and/or a breach of the fourth wall when it comes to the SC.
The Blaatschapen should resign


Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to Technical

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bali Kingdom, Chiho, Darcania, Haganham, Mavenu, Stratocratic-Anarchy Oceanic Empire, Transitional Global Authority

Advertisement

Remove ads