Question about missing Account

[Terricon]

Soviet Soverignty, an account that has long operated on Nationstates, is now completely gone. There is no "has ceased to exist" message, and he was active at most a week ago. As a concerned member of the USSR, and aquatiance of Soviet Soverignty, I'd like to enquire as to what happened to his account.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Soviet Soverignty, an account that has long operated on Nationstates, is now completely gone. There is no "has ceased to exist" message, and he was active at most a week ago. As a concerned member of the USSR, and aquatiance of Soviet Soverignty, I'd like to enquire as to what happened to his account.

Former nation Soviet Sovereignty
Founded: Thu Jun 24 2004
Ceased to exist: Fri Apr 17 2015
Population: 19.28 billion

You were spelling sovereignty wrong I'm assuming.

[Zaluena]

It may or may not be the case, but perhaps you are spelling 'sovereignty?' incorrectly? There is a "Soviet Sovereignty" in the boneyard, he ceased to exist yesterday it seems.

EDIT: Beat me to it.

[Terricon]

Soviet Soverignty, an account that has long operated on Nationstates, is now completely gone. There is no "has ceased to exist" message, and he was active at most a week ago. As a concerned member of the USSR, and aquatiance of Soviet Soverignty, I'd like to enquire as to what happened to his account.

Former nation Soviet Sovereignty
Founded: Thu Jun 24 2004
Ceased to exist: Fri Apr 17 2015
Population: 19.28 billion

You were spelling sovereignty wrong I'm assuming.

Yeah, my mistake . It's too late where I'm at
But in regards to Sovereignty, there was no message to indicate his ceasing of existence. I was merely wondering if there was something that would have closed his account.

[Mousebumples]

You can't "close your account." You either naturally CTE (after 28 or 60 days of not logging in) or have your nation be DEAT by a mod. There's no in between, really.

[Terricon]

You can't "close your account." You either naturally CTE (after 28 or 60 days of not logging in) or have your nation be DEAT by a mod. There's no in between, really.

That's what I meant. Was there some grounds to delete his account, because I don't think he was inactive long enough to CTE.

[The Dark Star Republic]

You can't "close your account." You either naturally CTE (after 28 or 60 days of not logging in) or have your nation be DEAT by a mod. There's no in between, really.

That's what I meant. Was there some grounds to delete his account, because I don't think he was inactive long enough to CTE.

He was. You can tell by looking in the Boneyard; had his nation been deleted, it would have a message saying "This name has been soiled by a previous nation" owtte; instead, it just has the default message for a nation of his size. Also, if you look up his nation on Google cache, the cache from the 17th shows he hadn't logged in for 27 days. So I would strongly suspect he timed out rather than was deleted.

[Elke and Elba]

That's what I meant. Was there some grounds to delete his account, because I don't think he was inactive long enough to CTE.

He was. You can tell by looking in the Boneyard; had his nation been deleted, it would have a message saying "This name has been soiled by a previous nation" owtte; instead, it just has the default message for a nation of his size. Also, if you look up his nation on Google cache, the cache from the 17th shows he hadn't logged in for 27 days. So I would strongly suspect he timed out rather than was deleted.

Which the above-mentioned nation seemed to have CTEd peacefully, I would respectfully disagree that the statement on the message stated is untrue. I do believe that once your nation crosses a certain size, the "soiled" message would not appear even if they were DEATed.

A few examples would be Chester Pearson, Port blood, Nierr, Thafoo.

Although the former two were DEATed and the latter two were DOSed, they all had the same reservation message, which was - "Reserved: This name was used by a former nation of significant size."

[The Dark Star Republic]

Wow, I'm on a roll today with being massively wrong about everything. Fair enough.

Though, to me, that seems like bad ordering. The nation belonging to a deleted nation should take precedence. It's not inconceivable that at some point, the population threshold for name reuse might be raised, but deleted nations will never be released.

[Mousebumples]

Wow, I'm on a roll today with being massively wrong about everything. Fair enough.

Though, to me, that seems like bad ordering. The nation belonging to a deleted nation should take precedence. It's not inconceivable that at some point, the population threshold for name reuse might be raised, but deleted nations will never be released.

I can't speak for the techies, but my guess is that it's a privacy issue. We don't say "Nation was DEAT for ABC infraction," so if they want to acknowledge being DEAT, that's their business. Usually, the NS sleuths can figure out if a player has been DEAT or not, but we're not going to tell you what happened - that's up for the player in question to disclose, if they're so inclined.

EDIT: And to clarify, I'd guess that both "notations" are on the nation in the master game file. If the population threshold was ever lifted, I'd expect that the "soiled" message would replace the "significant size" message.

[The Dark Star Republic]

Wow, I'm on a roll today with being massively wrong about everything. Fair enough.

Though, to me, that seems like bad ordering. The nation belonging to a deleted nation should take precedence. It's not inconceivable that at some point, the population threshold for name reuse might be raised, but deleted nations will never be released.

I can't speak for the techies, but my guess is that it's a privacy issue. We don't say "Nation was DEAT for ABC infraction," so if they want to acknowledge being DEAT, that's their business. Usually, the NS sleuths can figure out if a player has been DEAT or not, but we're not going to tell you what happened - that's up for the player in question to disclose, if they're so inclined.

So, why does privacy only kick in at 500 million population? Any nation with a lower population does display the "soiled by" message.

[Frisbeeteria]

Though, to me, that seems like bad ordering.

It's almost certainly just a case of incorrect sequencing from when [violet] put the Boneyard together. Every significant change ever (and many of the minor changes) have had unintended consequences. We have a Technical Forum to bring these issues to the attention of the admins, and they usually get corrected.

To the best of my memory, this has never been brought up before. It's the weekend, and [v] is rarely on over the weekend. Be patient.

I can't speak for the techies, but my guess is that it's a privacy issue.

So, why does privacy only kick in at 500 million population?

I'd say you're both finding motive where only code exists. Give [violet] or an active admin a chance to respond before you start castigating site practices that were likely unintentional.

[The Dark Star Republic]

Jeez, calm down. I'm not "castigating" anyone: I was just musing, and I don't even think it's a serious problem given there's no indication the population threshold is going to be changed anyway.

[Ballotonia]

Order has been changed (Postmaster nations are now indicated as blocked from nation name re-use for that reason, instead of something less pressing as 'significant size'). Also, when both rule breaking and size apply, they are both listed.

My reasoning: first listed are the reasons which are not subject to change at all, ever. Both size and former rulebreaking are subject to consideration. For instance, we may at one point decide to allow reuse of rulebreaking nation names of insignificant size after 15 years after their infraction, or something like that, with the reasoning that these are likely fly-by spammers where the former nation owners don't even remember the nation name or what they did with it. But that's not at issue right now.

Ballotonia

[Kaboomlandia]

Maybe, for the mods, when dealing with spambots, there could be a little "adbot/spambot" checkbox near the name, and would allow it back into the pool after maybe two or three years? I'm probably just rambling.

[The Dark Star Republic]

Order has been changed (Postmaster nations are now indicated as blocked from nation name re-use for that reason, instead of something less pressing as 'significant size'). Also, when both rule breaking and size apply, they are both listed.

My reasoning: first listed are the reasons which are not subject to change at all, ever. Both size and former rulebreaking are subject to consideration. For instance, we may at one point decide to allow reuse of rulebreaking nation names of insignificant size after 15 years after their infraction, or something like that, with the reasoning that these are likely fly-by spammers where the former nation owners don't even remember the nation name or what they did with it. But that's not at issue right now.

I agree with your reasoning. More information for players is always better, anyway!

Thanks for looking into this.

[The United Remnants of America]

He was. You can tell by looking in the Boneyard; had his nation been deleted, it would have a message saying "This name has been soiled by a previous nation" owtte; instead, it just has the default message for a nation of his size. Also, if you look up his nation on Google cache, the cache from the 17th shows he hadn't logged in for 27 days. So I would strongly suspect he timed out rather than was deleted.

Which the above-mentioned nation seemed to have CTEd peacefully, I would respectfully disagree that the statement on the message stated is untrue. I do believe that once your nation crosses a certain size, the "soiled" message would not appear even if they were DEATed.

A few examples would be Chester Pearson, Port blood, Nierr, Thafoo.

Although the former two were DEATed and the latter two were DOSed, they all had the same reservation message, which was - "Reserved: This name was used by a former nation of significant size."

I feel as if there should eventually be a distinction for larger nations between a peaceful and a not-so-peaceful CTE. They might actually need one if fo rsome reason, the reservation is ever increased to nations as large as CP and Thafoo were, as doubtful as that is that it ever will.

[Kaboomlandia]

Seems to have been updated. Looking up Nierr and The Doom Legions get the message:
This name was soiled by a former nation (of significant size).
I have noticed that Chester's has changed to "site supporter".

[Vile Villans]

I had 2 puppet nations deleted. I got the same: Disgraced: This name was soiled by a former nation (of significant size). message. What the heck is that suppose to really mean? These 2 nations each had over 15 billion in population so they were not new, but now I can not even restore them? What kind of silliness is that? Oh I see you have a nation and been on here for years... no matter, lets just get rid of them. Gee, great way to make sure this "game" keeps on surviving. Kill off those who are here is surely going to make new members want to join.

*If there was a problem with the nations name, then at least give them the option to change the nation name and not get rid of a nation that is years old. On another note, it said: This nation was deleted by a moderator and cannot be self-restored. Why would it be deleted by a mod???*

[Hobbesistan]

I had 2 puppet nations deleted. I got the same: Disgraced: This name was soiled by a former nation (of significant size). message. What the heck is that suppose to really mean? These 2 nations each had over 15 billion in population so they were not new, but now I can not even restore them? What kind of silliness is that? Oh I see you have a nation and been on here for years... no matter, lets just get rid of them. Gee, great way to make sure this "game" keeps on surviving. Kill off those who are here is surely going to make new members want to join.

*If there was a problem with the nations name, then at least give them the option to change the nation name and not get rid of a nation that is years old. On another note, it said: This nation was deleted by a moderator and cannot be self-restored. Why would it be deleted by a mod???*

The only instances they would be deleted in is if the nation was used to extensively break the rules. If you want to appral what's up, file a GHR

[Vile Villans]

The only instances they would be deleted in is if the nation was used to extensively break the rules. If you want to appral what's up, file a GHR

Thing is, they were just sitting in a region for the longest time and they did nothing. I was away working and they CTEd on Mar 29 from the looks of it and when I tried to revive them today it said they were deleted by a mod. But after 8 years, what rule could they have broken doing nothing? I don't get it...

[Kaboomlandia]

The only instances they would be deleted in is if the nation was used to extensively break the rules. If you want to appral what's up, file a GHR

Thing is, they were just sitting in a region for the longest time and they did nothing. I was away working and they CTEd on Mar 29 from the looks of it and when I tried to revive them today it said they were deleted by a mod. But after 8 years, what rule could they have broken doing nothing? I don't get it...

Do you have the names of the puppets/their old region?

[Luna Amore]

Thing is, they were just sitting in a region for the longest time and they did nothing. I was away working and they CTEd on Mar 29 from the looks of it and when I tried to revive them today it said they were deleted by a mod. But after 8 years, what rule could they have broken doing nothing? I don't get it...

Do you have the names of the puppets/their old region?

It's irrelevant. It's a gameside matter. He needs to file a GHR.

[Phydios]

If there was a problem with the nations name, then at least give them the option to change the nation name and not get rid of a nation that is years old.

While your issue is certainly a gameside one, and should be dealt with gameside in the way that Luna suggested, I want to say that a nation's name can't be changed. The game's code identifies a nation by their name, instead of by some internal ID, so renaming a nation would break every link to it, both gameside and forumside.

[Vile Villans]

While your issue is certainly a gameside one, and should be dealt with gameside in the way that Luna suggested, I want to say that a nation's name can't be changed. The game's code identifies a nation by their name, instead of by some internal ID, so renaming a nation would break every link to it, both gameside and forumside.

Ah, but it was not the actual nation name itself, it was the editable part in front of the nations name. That can be changed easy enough but nope, not a warning or anything, just a full deletion.