Allow regional founder to remove RMB messages/notices

[Enfaru]

I would also extend this as Executive feature under the WA but as this might cause a few problems with the R/D game I'd keep it to founder only.

Lots of communities have their own rules and judgements that people should abide by and I believe Founders are considered the owner of that region or at the very least, responsible for it. On the forums in role-play areas the original poster tends to be able to ask for any kind of deletion on request no questions asked. Yet this same feature is not extended to the regions. Given how many regions there are and how many moderators there are providing the sticky plaster of mod's carrying out deletions seems a bit out of date.

Any chance?

[G-Tech Corporation]

I would also extend this as Executive feature under the WA but as this might cause a few problems with the R/D game I'd keep it to founder only.

Lots of communities have their own rules and judgements that people should abide by and I believe Founders are considered the owner of that region or at the very least, responsible for it. On the forums in role-play areas the original poster tends to be able to ask for any kind of deletion on request no questions asked. Yet this same feature is not extended to the regions. Given how many regions there are and how many moderators there are providing the sticky plaster of mod's carrying out deletions seems a bit out of date.

Any chance?

You are aware that RMB posts can be suppressed, yes? Is there some reason you need them deleted instead of just invisible?

Not seeing this likely given the destruction it could go with, but just curious why you want it in the first place.

[Phydios]

I would also extend this as Executive feature under the WA but as this might cause a few problems with the R/D game I'd keep it to founder only.

Lots of communities have their own rules and judgements that people should abide by and I believe Founders are considered the owner of that region or at the very least, responsible for it. On the forums in role-play areas the original poster tends to be able to ask for any kind of deletion on request no questions asked. Yet this same feature is not extended to the regions. Given how many regions there are and how many moderators there are providing the sticky plaster of mod's carrying out deletions seems a bit out of date.

Any chance?

You are aware that RMB posts can be suppressed, yes? Is there some reason you need them deleted instead of just invisible?

Not seeing this likely given the destruction it could go with, but just curious why you want it in the first place.

Suppression just collapses a post; it doesn't hide it. Anyone can click the plus sign at the right to expand and read it.

[Enfaru]

I would also extend this as Executive feature under the WA but as this might cause a few problems with the R/D game I'd keep it to founder only.

Lots of communities have their own rules and judgements that people should abide by and I believe Founders are considered the owner of that region or at the very least, responsible for it. On the forums in role-play areas the original poster tends to be able to ask for any kind of deletion on request no questions asked. Yet this same feature is not extended to the regions. Given how many regions there are and how many moderators there are providing the sticky plaster of mod's carrying out deletions seems a bit out of date.

Any chance?

You are aware that RMB posts can be suppressed, yes? Is there some reason you need them deleted instead of just invisible?

Not seeing this likely given the destruction it could go with, but just curious why you want it in the first place.

Lets say a region has a rule stating clearly: "Do not ever post the word blue" lets call the region "Kings of Red"... and then someone posts the word Blue for kicks. It's not against the site rules, but it is against the region rules.

Now... lets say someone has endorsed Nazi's or denied the holocaust (illegal in some countries). This is not in and of itself illegal on nationstates (to my knowledge) but some regions may very well want it wiped. Again, mods don't do wipes on request for regions (last I checked) and I wouldn't want to both them with that anyway.

Of course if someone posts a swastika or goes out of their way to break the rules of the site (e.g. posting porn) then of course I can file off a report and a mod will get around to it eventually. Why wait when I can do it a helluva lot faster myself?

It doesn't necessarily have to "delete the rmb message" it could just hide it permanently for the mods to consider deleting (or delisting from the RMB) later.

The suppress function just isn't good enough as it stands. Although it's still a great function for gameplay (and can be a lot of fun) but it isn't fun for community management.

[Land filled with People]

Presumably, site staff opinion won't have drastically changed since you last suggested something like this.

[Enfaru]

Well that's embarrassing.

However that said. There didn't appear to be any rejection and this is specifically about allowing the founder to remove RMB messages as a function separate to suppression.

Edit: I totally didn't forget about that thread. Honest.

[Land filled with People]

Removing messages is equivalent to them being permanently suppressed or deleted.

I think that there's an expectation that if you post something on the RMB, and it falls within game rules, it will be there for as long as the region exists. You might also expect the message to be suppressed (eg. Pro-PRL posts in NPO-Lazarus), but people can still read the message if they so choose. Suppression, rather than deletion, of posts prevents founders from entirely blocking out other (perhaps controversial) view-points, while still allowing them to be kept out of direct sight.

People should be allowed to express dissent or dissatisfaction (or break region-only "rules"), knowing that people can read their posts even if those in power wish others could not. If a person's posts are that bothersome, founders can freely banject nations, and puppet-flooding (if it were to occur) is dealt with by Mods.

[Shogun]

What if founders (and why not executive delegates too) could use their influence (equivalent to normal influence) to put/allocate for making unsuppressions and reading of RMB messages more costly to others?

[Frisbeeteria]

What if founders (and why not executive delegates too) could use their influence (equivalent to normal influence) to put/allocate for making unsuppressions and reading of RMB messages more costly to others?

That's a really nifty idea, actually. Unfortunately it's probably impractical, as I don't believe the RMB database is currently connected to influence. Adding a link to the national influence level would probably be a pain and would likely slow the game down at least marginally by forcing every RMB post read to connect to the nation as well as the RMB database (yes, they are separate entities).

[Enfaru]

Removing messages is equivalent to them being permanently suppressed or deleted.

I think that there's an expectation that if you post something on the RMB, and it falls within game rules, it will be there for as long as the region exists. You might also expect the message to be suppressed (eg. Pro-PRL posts in NPO-Lazarus), but people can still read the message if they so choose. Suppression, rather than deletion, of posts prevents founders from entirely blocking out other (perhaps controversial) view-points, while still allowing them to be kept out of direct sight.

People should be allowed to express dissent or dissatisfaction (or break region-only "rules"), knowing that people can read their posts even if those in power wish others could not. If a person's posts are that bothersome, founders can freely banject nations, and puppet-flooding (if it were to occur) is dealt with by Mods.

The last time I checked blocking other peoples view points is exactly what regions are there for. After all, if you set up a region and remove people whose view points you do not like, that has the same effect. Unfortunately if you're removing someone simply because they took a joke too far your community is going to sour sharply. Blocking the offending post and allowing the member to continue contributing is the best way forwards.

Mods do it all the time. Instead of deleting stuff on the forums its gets shunted to the evidence locker.

Perhaps allowing the RMB to be enabled or disabled might be a better alternative as I think mods are more inclined to say, "Do this stuff on your own forums". Which I would agree with but whether we like it or not the RMB can still be posted on.

The particular post in question was a holocaust denial post, which I and a number of the community found extremely distasteful if not downright offensive yet it is permitted to deny the holocaust on nationstates something I find odd as it is actually prosecuted under Hate Speech in Australia. (A matter for another discussion perhaps).