Improving the national analysis scales.

[Anders Almighty]

It is kid of hard to compare with the World average, since the average mark isn't always to be found.

Wouldn't it be better if the zero-mark was the national average?
Then you could emediately see how much better or worse you are than the rest.

My suggestion is therefore to remodify the analysis scales to the World average always is zero.

[Shazbotdom]

It is kid of hard to compare with the World average, since the average mark isn't always to be found.

Wouldn't it be better if the zero-mark was the national average?
Then you could emediately see how much better or worse you are than the rest.

My suggestion is therefore to remodify the analysis scales to the World average always is zero.

Why would the world average be 0? Normally an "Average" would be adding ALL of them together and then dividing it by the number of nations in the world. Therefore it would be very very rare if the average is 0.

[Enfaru]

Anders Almighty is talking about Normalizing the data to the world average rather than to an arbitrary setting that the techies have picked. In this circumstance they have picked the point that is equidistant to the extremes as the point where the data is normalized to.

In simpler terms the current 0 is absolute/static . The proposed 0 is relative/variable/floating according to the data that is inputted.

Although I do think that the 0 should be shown as it truly is, the data being normalized to the world or perhaps regional average, is perhaps not such a bad idea (one that I'd support).

Edit.

There are multiple definitions of the word average. The most simple three are Mean (Common Average), Median and Modal. Any of these three could mean "average"... unless you're really into averages of course.

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Fixed: 6^th April 2015 - Moderators → techies by Reploid Productions; inserted by Enfaru

[Reploid Productions]

an arbitrary setting that the moderators techies have picked.

Fix'd

[Anders Almighty]

Why would the world average be 0? Normally an "Average" would be adding ALL of them together and then dividing it by the number of nations in the world. Therefore it would be very very rare if the average is 0.

Because you don't really care what the world average is. What you care about is how moch better or worse your own nation is. If the world average is 56 and your are -34 it's not as obvious how much after you are as if it just would say -90. That's what I mean.

[Ballotonia]

an arbitrary setting that the moderators techies have picked.

Fix'd

From now on the rule shall be that if players like something it was done by the techies, if they don't like it is was done by the moderators

A downside I see of autoscaling to match 0 with the gamewide mean is that players will see their own statistics fluctuate even when they don't do anything, just because the gamewide mean will fluctuate over time. My impression is that a lot of the people who keep track of their nation statistics would utterly hate that with a passion.

Ballotonia

[Anders Almighty]

Why would the world average be 0? Normally an "Average" would be adding ALL of them together and then dividing it by the number of nations in the world. Therefore it would be very very rare if the average is 0.

Because you don't really care what the world average is. What you care about is how moch better or worse your own nation is. If the world average is 56 and your are -34 it's not as obvious how much after you are as if it just would say -90. That's what I mean.

Quoting myself - I know....
Like now the anlysis is 'government size'. It says 27. No average shown. What does this tell me? Nothing. Nothing at all.

[Enfaru]

Fix'd

From now on the rule shall be that if players like something it was done by the techies, if they don't like it is was done by the moderators

A downside I see of autoscaling to match 0 with the gamewide mean is that players will see their own statistics fluctuate even when they don't do anything, just because the gamewide mean will fluctuate over time. My impression is that a lot of the people who keep track of their nation statistics would utterly hate that with a passion.

Ballotonia

Perhaps an absolute score next to it? Personally I normalized to the world average would tell me more than just the absolute score. Though I recognize that some people want to track their absolutes and that probably shouldn't be impeded, however I don't think displaying the absolute in graph mode tells a nation more than something normalized to world/region would.

[Phydios]

Because you don't really care what the world average is. What you care about is how much better or worse your own nation is. If the world average is 56 and your are -34 it's not as obvious how much after you are as if it just would say -90. That's what I mean.

Quoting myself - I know....
Like now the analysis is 'government size'. It says 27. No average shown. What does this tell me? Nothing. Nothing at all.

The World Average is always listed. Go to any analysis page and look below the right end of the graph. You will see the text "World Average (median): ___".

[Yossarian Herr]

Quoting myself - I know....
Like now the analysis is 'government size'. It says 27. No average shown. What does this tell me? Nothing. Nothing at all.

The World Average is always listed. Go to any analysis page and look below the right end of the graph. You will see the text "World Average (median): ___".

No, check out the aforementioned Government Size stat for example. It's not listed at all. Also don't see it for Freedom from Taxation, Happiness, Health, the industries (excepting Tourism), Intelligence, Lifespan, the sectors, Stupidity, Taxation, or Unexpected Death Rate.
EDIT: Tried to add a pic but it was too wide.

[Phydios]

No, check out the aforementioned Government Size stat for example. It's not listed at all. Also don't see it for Freedom from Taxation, Happiness, Health, the industries (excepting Tourism), Intelligence, Lifespan, the sectors, Stupidity, Taxation, or Unexpected Death Rate.
EDIT: Tried to add a pic but it was too wide.

I stand corrected. That's odd. In that case, I would encourage the mods to fix that- we ought to have some idea of what all of our stats mean, even if it's just a relative meaning. I wouldn't propose making the world average 0, though; we'll have tons of people wanting to know why their stats keep changing for no obvious reason.

[Anders Almighty]

This is what I mean: If the world average always was set to zero, there would never be any problem. You'd emediately know if you were better or worse, and directyly know how far behind or ahead you are, witout adding or subtracting negative values like you some times have to do now.

[Nurkama]

This is what I mean: If the world average always was set to zero, there would never be any problem. You'd emediately know if you were better or worse, and directyly know how far behind or ahead you are, witout adding or subtracting negative values like you some times have to do now.

But then it would not be the world average.

[Enfaru]

This is what I mean: If the world average always was set to zero, there would never be any problem. You'd emediately know if you were better or worse, and directyly know how far behind or ahead you are, witout adding or subtracting negative values like you some times have to do now.

But then it would not be the world average.

I feel you do not understand what an average is or even what normalizing means. Average (Common Average) is the Sum of All divided by Amount of all. Normalizing means well... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normaliza ... tistics%29 in summary it means instead of the World Average being 10 or 20 (which is an absolute) it would 0 (or more commonly, 1). It does not mean that the world average is actually 0 it just means that the world average is always centred.

[Anders Almighty]

Right now I have 5 on the stupidity-scale. No average shown. If zero was average, I would emediately know that I was 5 Points ahead, but now I do not know anything.
But since the scale shows stupidity, maybe this is intended...