ByteCoin

[The Blaatschapen]

This is not the topic to discuss NSG or whatever attributes that you ascribe to it or its population.

The Blaatschapen - Nationstates moderator

[The Icemark]

An annual affair could work: one week a year perhaps. Just a thought

[Scandavian States]

Not Bytecoin, but perhaps a world currency market. It's something I'd do as a paid feature if it'd help facilitate a separate server.

Also, lag? WTF are you guys talking about? Yeah, there were a couple times that the ticker froze on me during a massive spike, but it wasn't anything like the very first server.

[Scandavian States]

Fucking hell no. I do not want permanent forum crashes and lag.

Ahh, new blood. Dude, I've been there and done that with NS many a time, always without a minigame. Seriously, whatever you guys are talking about isn't anything near as bad as some of us old fogies went through in the bad old days just trying make an RP post. I've been on since June 2003, FYI.

[[violet]]

ByteCoin definitely wouldn't generate that kind of lag if we kept it as a permanent feature. The feature itself generates some additional load, but not that much; the lag comes from the fact that a lot more people than usual are being a lot more active on the site than usual, since it's a one-off event that doesn't last very long.

This happens every novelty day, to varying degrees. Last Halloween the site went down completely for a while. This one offered a lot of opportunities for interaction (i.e. you could do a lot of different stuff: mine, transfer, trade, donate) so players were exceptionally busy.

The Ten Year Challenge game is still around if you know where to look.

The reason we don't keep novelty days is the features aren't designed for long-term play. In particular, they're usually unbalanced, so that certain players start with a significant advantage over others (e.g. by controlling many large nations), or develop an entrenched advantage, or they rely on players not knowing things in advance (e.g. that you can get IPO shares from puppet populations). They could theoretically be balanced, but that takes time and discussion and testing.

So rather than leave a novelty day feature hanging around, not really working all that well, we make it a one-off special.

In terms of keeping ByteCoin, or using it as the foundation for a vaguely similar economic-type game, I think that's possible, with fairly significant changes. The mechanism of having to use another nation as a bank, and having to trust that bank not to steal it (or cease to exist) is a good one, I think. And it would be fun to try to manipulate the market, if there actually was a real one, rather than a random algorithm.

[Personal Freedom]

Would there be a way to opt out? I don't want this on the main page of my country.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

I hate that challenge thing, it needs to be casted into the nearest black hole.

[Aglrinia]

Would there be a way to opt out? I don't want this on the main page of my country.

If it were introduced I do feel that it would need to have a way to opt out of it.

Just like now how we can choose whether or not to have factbooks on our nation pages, nswiki.org, or to not make one at all.

[[violet]]

Oh, we wouldn't splash it all over the nation page like we did for April 1, no. One of the core principles of NationStates is that you make your nation the way you want; if you don't want to care about currency, you don't have to. It would only be implemented as something that people could play with and compete against others who want to do the same thing, but not affect everyone else.

[Arumdaum]

No thanks. I'd be wholly against it.

It was fun for a day, but, for forever? Nope.

[Swith Witherward]

Oh, we wouldn't splash it all over the nation page like we did for April 1, no. One of the core principles of NationStates is that you make your nation the way you want; if you don't want to care about currency, you don't have to. It would only be implemented as something that people could play with and compete against others who want to do the same thing, but not affect everyone else.

Completely off-topic, the first thing I thought when I saw the bobbing alpaca was "How in the hell did Esty steal [violet]'s name?"

As for Bytcoin? An opt-out would be lovely, if this became a game feature.

[Inventio]

Oh, we wouldn't splash it all over the nation page like we did for April 1, no. One of the core principles of NationStates is that you make your nation the way you want; if you don't want to care about currency, you don't have to. It would only be implemented as something that people could play with and compete against others who want to do the same thing, but not affect everyone else.

That would be nice.

Love the flag, by the way.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Fucking hell no. I do not want permanent forum crashes and lag.

Ahh, new blood. Dude, I've been there and done that with NS many a time, always without a minigame. Seriously, whatever you guys are talking about isn't anything near as bad as some of us old fogies went through in the bad old days just trying make an RP post. I've been on since June 2003, FYI.

Yes, we get it....

It was sooooo bad because you say so!

Doesn't matter regardless.

[Scandavian States]

Yes, we get it....

It was sooooo bad because you say so!

Doesn't matter regardless.

Well, let's compare notes. We could go hours without being able to use the forums at all, any major post had to be written out in Word beforehand because the risk of losing it was so high, and I'm sure [violet] could list a whole bunch of other issues I've long since forgotten about.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Yes, we get it....

It was sooooo bad because you say so!

Doesn't matter regardless.

Well, let's compare notes. We could go hours without being able to use the forums at all, any major post had to be written out in Word beforehand because the risk of losing it was so high, and I'm sure [violet] could list a whole bunch of other issues I've long since forgotten about.

And in the end it still doesn't mean shit because annoying lag is annoying regardless....

Not to say the lag would be as bad as it was for every single day or anything, but the concept of lag is always going to be an annoyance.

[Meritocratic States]

Still against it until they get better servers to address the random forum log-outs of April Fools Day.

[The House of Petain]

As somebody who did relatively well, no.

It's addicting beyond belief.

[Stomalia]

I have to say, the ByteCoin thing is somewhat an April Fool's Joke, though like Stomalia said, I don't get the joke. And the facepalm isn't necessary TBH.

It is a play on Bitcoins. If you haven't heard of Bitcoins, I must assume you live somewhere under a rock. They've gotten plenty of mainstream media attention, in addition to being an internet love/hate poster child.

I guess I can kind of get it, since BitCoins are considered the worst investment this year by many investment companies.

[Communist Eraser]

Why are you guys still arguing about lag when violet herself in the post right above you says it wouldn't be an issue?

I ignored bytecoin for the most part, asI found it too confusing and to understanding it a (laggy) day. So it support it being longer if someone actually makes an effort to balance it..

I'll actually prefer it more though if you had regular resets for nation challenge (which I think you've mused before..).

[The Blaatschapen]

Oh, we wouldn't splash it all over the nation page like we did for April 1, no. One of the core principles of NationStates is that you make your nation the way you want; if you don't want to care about currency, you don't have to. It would only be implemented as something that people could play with and compete against others who want to do the same thing, but not affect everyone else.

Completely off-topic, the first thing I thought when I saw the bobbing alpaca was "How in the hell did Esty steal [violet]'s name?"

Well, this bobbing alpaca is clearly female

That reminds me.

Hey boss.

How you doin'?

[Faschist Deutsch Reich]

No.

What he said.

It might be fun for the people who find . . . That sort of stuff, fun, but those of us who don't even care are paying the price because of the lag, and randomly getting logged out of NS.

It would be great to have but I hate lag so I would say a definite no to having them. Raiding becomes so much harder and so does everything else in general.

[Sabah]

Not a good idea.

[Holy Trek]

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Three people that you labeled as generalites 'complaining' about the lack of things to do on this thread aren't.

• Shadow Afforess - commonly found in the technical forum, and occasionally in the gameplay forum. The creator of the nationstates++ web extension.
• Cerb - The previous delegate of the 10000 islands as with any delegate of the 10000 islands their vote can change how the current majority vote is in the WA in a heartbeat.
• Norway - My puppet. I'm active in gameplay, International Incidents, technical, and got issues. I was once the delegate of Balder; however, let's not go there.

So try not to stereotype.

While to everyone complaining that site would continue to lag if it were implemented. Please read the whole thread before you post.

I'm rather annoyed at all the posters here who think that keeping ByteCoin (and other NS related games) as an option would mean the site gets tons of traffic every day. That is absurd idea, bordering on downright idiotic. Most of the people would stop caring and the people who still want to play would keep playing. The hype would die down, like it inevitably does with any new thing.

Even if I am wrong, the ByteCoin stayed popular, and NS got tons more traffic every day, that is still a good thing. Max would make that much more from ads and the store, could invest in better/more servers for NS, and everyone would be happy.

I would however support a petition that forced technical forum posters to pass basic competencies on spelling, grammar, the internet, and technology.

[Holy Trek]

You do know what causes lag correct?

You do know that your only talking about one point correct?

Don't ignore my other statement, why talk to me in such a one when your post has jack shit with what I was doing?

My no was a sign of disapproval to a noob post about NSG, as well as the post about (And I am not saying it directly the same way or whatever.) "Why post in a thread to keep bytecoin?

I see no reason for your post to bring up the lag issue at all, nor do I see any evidence that traffic surrounding it would die in due time.

Even then why make it harder on people to keep a shitty thing which was used for a April Fools joke, o you know how many people would bitch about keeping the zombie feature?

This was used as a special thing, it should stay that way, if you don't like it then use something else, IIRC Leningrad is making something for people who like Bytecoin.

He is??

[Holy Trek]

An annual affair could work: one week a year perhaps. Just a thought

One week a year.....I think that's called April Fools' Week......it should be more often than just a week a year.