IDEA: Ban List Available on RMB

[Unibot II]

Here's an idea to tide RMB spammers in feeders or sinkers that community don't want. I know for example TSP has been trying to ban this Nazi guy who keeps spamming our RMB everyday and unless I catch him within the first five min, the regional happenings are cleared. So I was wondering if the RMB's first 10 posts could be used in the same manner as Regional Happenings; if you post, you're on the banlist till the next nine posts on the RMB at least are cleared?

[Sheepatropolis]

When a nation leaves a feeder you can no longer ban it, right? It would be even better if for 24 hours after leaving, a nation was still subject to being banned.

GGR is a particular pain because the founder has a multitude of adspam puppets, which get banned frequently.

A great tool would be to have a gag list; any region name in the list wouldn't show up as a tag on the RMB. Bans can be circumvented but a gag is gag. It would have to cost influence of course, but it'd work a charm.

[Unibot II]

When a nation leaves a feeder you can no longer ban it, right? It would be even better if for 24 hours after leaving, a nation was still subject to being banned.

That would screw up defending and raiding. Currently you can ban the nation if they're on the regional happenings, even if they're not in the region.

[Sedgistan]

Or you accept you're in a game-created region, getting free nations, and that you already have generous means to deal with RMB posters that you dislike?

[Topid]

When a nation leaves a feeder you can no longer ban it, right? It would be even better if for 24 hours after leaving, a nation was still subject to being banned.

That would screw up defending and raiding. Currently you can ban the nation if they're on the regional happenings, even if they're not in the region.

Or even if they were never in the region.

[Unibot II]

and that you already have generous means to deal with RMB posters that you dislike?

?

GGR runs in and posts their nazi garbage and leaves; that offers a five-fifteen min window to ban them. How is this a generous means? Because its better than a second-long window? It's generous if I'm nocturnal. GGR usually strikes at around 6 AM my time.

[Sedgistan]

The suppress button.

[Sheepatropolis]

The suppress button.

If this were any other recruiter I may agree with you. GGR was actually banned by TSP for breaking our 3-strike rule; two instances of abusive messages towards members of TSP and one break of the 24-hour posting rule. Of course GGR flouted the ban because it's unenforcible when you have an army of adspam puppets.

Yes, player rules don't equal game rules, but the continued disregard, the relentless identical wall of ugly text day in, day out, makes GGR a unique case. No games rules are being broken but it pushes the boundary of fair game to near breaking point.

Not to mention some players find the Nazism objectional, and almost offensive.

TSP can't be the only GCR that finds GGR to be the worst adspammer in NationStates.

[Frisbeeteria]

The first significant banning improvement happened when we added both RH and RMB to the ban list a few years back. However, when the RMBs were upgraded to their current format (historical listing, ability to suppress), the new RMB code was no longer managed the same way. The old methods wouldn't work with the new code.

Cross-linking the new RMB code with the current region code would almost certainly be more work than is practical. I'm not going to say "never", but I'm betting that [violet] would.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Or you accept you're in a game-created region, getting free nations, and that you already have generous means to deal with RMB posters that you dislike?

Sounds like a good argument against GCRs banning RMB ads altogether. But I digress.

Why not just add something along the lines of banning nations from posting on the RMB? If for some reason people feel the need to limit the power of bans, you could give a certain number of RMB bans or something.

[Frisbeeteria]

Why not just add something along the lines of banning nations from posting on the RMB? If for some reason people feel the need to limit the power of bans, you could give a certain number of RMB bans or something.

Right now players can ban nations from regions, and mods can ban nations from posting on ANY RMB. There is no existing methodology for banning RMB use in specific regions. An entirely new system would have to be coded, possibly taking into account the Influence system. It's a lot of work for something that would only really benefit nine regions. It just doesn't seem like a big enough problem to go to that much effort.

[Unibot II]

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/api ... q=messages

The site already takes the data from the top 10 RMB posts? Ironically, GGR just struck in TRR as I read their RMB messages (goes to see if they hit TSP too..).

[Frisbeeteria]

The site already takes the data from the top 10 RMB posts.

Since I don't have code access, I don't know for sure how the admins grab the RH. However, since they included the desired RMB information in the API, it might be easier than I previously thought.

We'll let [violet] have the final say, obviously.

[[violet]]

Lemme see if I understand this: the problem is there's no mechanism to add a nation to your region's ban list unless they're a resident or mentioned in the Regional Happenings, is that right? If so, how about a text box or something that lets you add whichever nations you like?

[SunRawr]

Lemme see if I understand this: the problem is there's no mechanism to add a nation to your region's ban list unless they're a resident or mentioned in the Regional Happenings, is that right? If so, how about a text box or something that lets you add whichever nations you like?

This would be dangerous to the R/D game

[Tramiar]

It would hurt the R/D game quite a bit. Seems more dangerous for the defenders though, since they like to use the same nations over and over. We take over a region, all we'd have to do is ban all the defenders we knew of. They'd have to create a lot more nations.

[Mahaj]

Lemme see if I understand this: the problem is there's no mechanism to add a nation to your region's ban list unless they're a resident or mentioned in the Regional Happenings, is that right? If so, how about a text box or something that lets you add whichever nations you like?

OH MY GOD ABSOLUTELY NO.

That would first of all not solve the problem mentioned here, and secondly would just about kill the R/D game.

[Lordieth]

Lemme see if I understand this: the problem is there's no mechanism to add a nation to your region's ban list unless they're a resident or mentioned in the Regional Happenings, is that right? If so, how about a text box or something that lets you add whichever nations you like?

This would be dangerous to the R/D game

Only if it allowed nations to be banned before entry to the region. Pre-emptive banning would be disallowed. Only nations who have already entered the region should be subject to a ban, and even then only until the next update, then the 'allowable out-of-region' ban list would be wiped. That protects R/D fairly well. Besides, it would only really be of practical use in the GCRs.

You could even make posting an RMB message part of the conditions. That would protect raiders and defenders even further.

[Frisbeeteria]

-stuff-

Wow. Waaay too complicated.

[Ginet]

It would hurt the R/D game quite a bit. Seems more dangerous for the defenders though, since they like to use the same nations over and over. We take over a region, all we'd have to do is ban all the defenders we knew of. They'd have to create a lot more nations.

Also, wouldn't the Nazis, spammers, and other disreputable types just create fresh spam puppets? Doesn't sound like it would help.

[Lordieth]

-stuff-

Wow. Waaay too complicated.

Yeah, I realised that after posting it. If there's a simpler way to ban out-of-region nations without harming raider/defender gameplay then I'm a bit stumped.

What about a ban button linked to individual RMB posts? Like the report button?

[Christian Democrats]

Or you accept you're in a game-created region, getting free nations, and that you already have generous means to deal with RMB posters that you dislike?

^ This.

Whenever an advertiser is banned, he simply can create a new nation. In my opinion, banning regional advertisers is useless.

[Lordieth]

Or you accept you're in a game-created region, getting free nations, and that you already have generous means to deal with RMB posters that you dislike?

^ This.

Whenever an advertiser is banned, he simply can create a new nation. In my opinion, banning regional advertisers is useless.

An alternative idea I proposed was a 'gag list'. Any region in the list would be prevented from being linked in that region. It would have to be costly in influence to balance it to be used sparingly.

[Frisbeeteria]

Philosophical discussion of the benefits and disadvantages of adspam in Game Created Regions versus Player Created Regions has been moved to [SPLIT] GCR/UCR Adspam debate

[Ballotonia]

Lemme see if I understand this: the problem is there's no mechanism to add a nation to your region's ban list unless they're a resident or mentioned in the Regional Happenings, is that right? If so, how about a text box or something that lets you add whichever nations you like?

I agree with my invader enemies that implementation of this suggestion would be a major change for invasion/defense gameplay, and that it would be a negative effect. It would greatly benefit invaders.

I also do not agree with the determination of what the actual problem is (and that's related to the splitting off of posts). It being difficult to ban a GGR recruiting nation from a feeder isn't the actual problem. The root problem here is that GGR is posting nazi-style recruitment adds in a feeder region, and that the locals perceive this as an affront to their sensibilities. They want that recruiting to stop, even though the game rules specifically allow posting regional adds in feeder regions. Since GGR uses puppets to add-spam, the ability to ban such a puppet doesn't actually stop the spam in and of itself, it merely provides the delegate a means to say they're actively combating the spam. It would be a political propaganda tool, not an actual functioning problem-solving tool.

What would really solve the problem, and what IMHO this all is leading in to, is to remove the rule which says it's ok to post regional recruitment adds in a feeder region. And that's what my prior post (now split off from this thread) was about.

Ballotonia