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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:19 am

I've just checked a name in which I was interested and found that its only previous incarnation -- which CTEd way back in 2003 -- had a population that exceeded the threshold by only 1 million: That is really frustrating!
>:(
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Postby Ulitmate 1337ness » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:36 am

Vakolic wrote:So, that guy who logged in back in 2005, did very little, and then stopped after a few months cares about his nation from 8 years ago?


Happened with me.

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The Seafield Islands
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Postby The Seafield Islands » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:09 am

Is there a list of used nation names that will be available in the earliest possible time?
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Postby The Icemark » Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:23 am

The Seafield Islands wrote:Is there a list of used nation names that will be available in the earliest possible time?


Nope. You can only do individual searches for used/unused nations in The Boneyard

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Postby The Seafield Islands » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:24 pm

Okay thanks! :)
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Postby Sensorland » Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:45 pm

Bears Armed wrote:I've just checked a name in which I was interested and found that its only previous incarnation -- which CTEd way back in 2003 -- had a population that exceeded the threshold by only 1 million: That is really frustrating!
>:(

Certainly a nation that hasn't been touched in TEN YEARS ought to be available by now.
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Postby Great Empireonius » Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:16 am

Interesting
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Postby The Icemark » Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:32 am

Sensorland wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:I've just checked a name in which I was interested and found that its only previous incarnation -- which CTEd way back in 2003 -- had a population that exceeded the threshold by only 1 million: That is really frustrating!
>:(

Certainly a nation that hasn't been touched in TEN YEARS ought to be available by now.


Perhaps....If it was a paid service...

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Modern Gondor
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Postby Modern Gondor » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:55 am

I think an age threshold should be added as well. A nation that is more than, lets say, maybe 6-8 years old automatically releases. I'd like to take control of the nation Gondor, but it was last active March 13 of 2003, and had a population just 169 million more that the current 500 million threshold. It's kind of angering that it wont ever release.
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Postby Andacantra » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:48 pm

That's still someone who's been around for a few months and I'm fairly sure it's not unheard of for people to return to the game after that sort of time and want their nation back. There are plenty of names, this was just to help a bit with names being held up by people who probably won't ever return.
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Postby Gest » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:31 pm

Andacantra wrote:That's still someone who's been around for a few months and I'm fairly sure it's not unheard of for people to return to the game after that sort of time and want their nation back. There are plenty of names, this was just to help a bit with names being held up by people who probably won't ever return.


That nation never unlocked all the customizable fields and hasn't logged in since March 2003. One does hope that as NationStates ages, the nation release number is gradually adjusted up. It's illogical to sacrifice the present interest of players in maximizing their fun, yes, even if it's just hoarding, for players who played for a few months during the age of MySpace and Ahmed Chalabi.

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Postby The Icemark » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:48 am

Modern Gondor wrote:I think an age threshold should be added as well. A nation that is more than, lets say, maybe 6-8 years old automatically releases.


10 years then perhaps you have a case, but before then I'd like to think there is still a faint chance that a player could return however unlikely.

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Postby Ikania » Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:30 pm

I personally think a nation with under 250 population who was not deleted by mods should have their name available in one year. 5 years for 500, and 7 for anything above. Not being able to take a name from an old nation that CTE'd in 2003 is pretty annoying. Plus, my old nation, which was deleted by mods, is still reserved, even though there's no chance of me reclaiming it. So yeah.
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Postby [violet] » Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:53 pm

It is reasonably common for people to rediscover NationStates after many years. They assume that we died off, then they hear about us and are like, "Wow, I can't believe that site is still going." Then they see if they can log into their nation. A lot of the time, they'll have forgotten its name, or no longer use the same email address and can't recover the password, but it's pretty cool when an ancient nation comes back.

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Postby Ikania » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:16 pm

[violet] wrote:It is reasonably common for people to rediscover NationStates after many years. They assume that we died off, then they hear about us and are like, "Wow, I can't believe that site is still going." Then they see if they can log into their nation. A lot of the time, they'll have forgotten its name, or no longer use the same email address and can't recover the password, but it's pretty cool when an ancient nation comes back.

I guess you're right. But I think all reserved names should be released after 20 million years, when the only thing left in the universe is a tiny speck in dead space. That speck would be a blonde woman named Violet sitting at a computer desk, still droning on and on...

But yeah, it would be kind of strange to come back on after 10 years and see a guy with your name.
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Postby The Black Hat Guy » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:40 pm

[violet] wrote:It is reasonably common for people to rediscover NationStates after many years. They assume that we died off, then they hear about us and are like, "Wow, I can't believe that site is still going." Then they see if they can log into their nation. A lot of the time, they'll have forgotten its name, or no longer use the same email address and can't recover the password, but it's pretty cool when an ancient nation comes back.


Can confirm that this happened with me. I left after only a brief stint then came back after about a year and a half, though with a different nation. I did resurrect the old nation though.

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Postby Gest » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:32 pm

[violet] wrote:It is reasonably common for people to rediscover NationStates after many years. They assume that we died off, then they hear about us and are like, "Wow, I can't believe that site is still going." Then they see if they can log into their nation. A lot of the time, they'll have forgotten its name, or no longer use the same email address and can't recover the password, but it's pretty cool when an ancient nation comes back.


Are there a lot of players who are known by pop culture, historical, or geographical names. Most of those seem to have been taken up when NS was created and most of those died in 2003. Most of these "famous" names are nations with populations under a billion. Therefore loosening the criteria wouldn't result in the handful of returning players losing out as they likely don't have a name people want.

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Postby Parhe » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:22 pm

Gest wrote:
[violet] wrote:It is reasonably common for people to rediscover NationStates after many years. They assume that we died off, then they hear about us and are like, "Wow, I can't believe that site is still going." Then they see if they can log into their nation. A lot of the time, they'll have forgotten its name, or no longer use the same email address and can't recover the password, but it's pretty cool when an ancient nation comes back.


Are there a lot of players who are known by pop culture, historical, or geographical names. Most of those seem to have been taken up when NS was created and most of those died in 2003. Most of these "famous" names are nations with populations under a billion. Therefore loosening the criteria wouldn't result in the handful of returning players losing out as they likely don't have a name people want.

Yes but it is possible for some players to "lose out," and for others players to have used "famous" names as their main. Just seems like an unneeded risk to take. Plus, if the people back in 2003 that might return don't really need the nation names, although they might have already built up an identity or connection with it on the site, why would players really need them now?

Though I do wish people had the option of "resending" their nation names in that they can deactivate their nation, or let it die I mean, and allow it so other players to make new nations with that name even if they have a high NS population.
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Postby Gest » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:25 pm

[violet] wrote:https://twitter.com/TroutPoutt/statuses/426522047972245504 :)


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Postby The Icemark » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:04 pm

Don't think its really matters. Just Violet pointing out that there is a precedence behind why they choose not to release names under certain limits. Besides they most likely will eventually up the stakes to 750 so just wait till then, and you could probably grab a 'famous' name if you're quick to the punch

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Postby [violet] » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:05 pm

Gest wrote:Do you know the name and pop of that puppet?

No idea, it just popped up on our Twitter feed.

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Postby Kolechistan » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:11 pm

idea: tie an ex nation's release date to its population. The higher the population, the longer it gets till it is recycleable.

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Imperial Parhe
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Postby Imperial Parhe » Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:11 am

Kolechistan wrote:idea: tie an ex nation's release date to its population. The higher the population, the longer it gets till it is recycleable.

That is a rather novel idea that I have not heard before. Not sure how much I actually would support it-not like it would matter anyway to the ones deciding this to be gin with-but yeah, it is different.

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Worse yet is when they let it grow over the 250 mil population and then let it die so it can't even be retrieved after 5 years under the current resurrection rules. :evil:

I doubt they do it purposely. But I agree, I hate how so many nations have been left to die. I admit I let seven or so nations die, but they were just random combinations of numbets and maybe letters I made to test a few things out.

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Postby The Icemark » Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:35 am

Kolechistan wrote:idea: tie an ex nation's release date to its population. The higher the population, the longer it gets till it is recycleable.


Wasn't a similar method used in the last nation release? I know the names were gradually released over a period.

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