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Postby Sedgistan » Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:48 pm

When I click on '7 others', the other regions then display on the same page. Don't open the page in a new tab/window, as that takes you to your nation.

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Postby Echolilia » Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:07 pm

When a region (e.g. Band Camp) has exactly 6 embassies, it says "and and 1 other".

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Postby Corusant Sphere » Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:35 pm

The same situation is in my region :p

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Postby Sedgistan » Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:20 pm

That's deliberate - so that the list of embassies doesn't take up a massive amount of the page.

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Postby Mahaj WA Seat » Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:22 pm

Sedgistan wrote:That's deliberate - so that the list of embassies doesn't take up a massive amount of the page.

I think they are talking about the double 'ands'
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Postby Corusant Sphere » Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:25 pm

Yes I meant the double "and" - strange but funny thing ;) I'm sure that it will be repaired.
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Postby Daynor » Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:57 pm

Sedgistan wrote:That's deliberate - so that the list of embassies doesn't take up a massive amount of the page.

Although how hard is it to get rid of 'one other'. Replacing one region name with the phrase 'one other' seems like a waste... If we have six embassies it should just list all six, and then on the seventh list five and say 'and two others'. (Not sure if I'm being very clear here, can't come up with a good way to verbalize lol.)
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Postby [violet] » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:32 pm

Ballotonia wrote:
[violet] wrote:How so?


After clicking 'reject' the request stays in the list of requests.

Aha. :)

Should be fixed now. Rejecting a request leaves in the list, but it's marked "Rejected."

Unrequited embassy requests (whether rejected or just ignored) expire automatically after 7 days, at which point they're removed from the list and the region can reissue a request.

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Postby [violet] » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:33 pm

Ballotonia wrote:I found a small bug in the HTML coding. Each line in the three embassy tables in the region controls/admin pages do not properly terminate with a </tr> tag.

My script barked at me, but the problem turned out to not be in my code.

Assuming this only happened when you were looking at region control for a region you weren't authorized to inspect, fixed.

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Postby [violet] » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:35 pm

Standica wrote:Are you planning on adding embassies to the XML feeds?

Yes, but I need to rewrite some API code so updates in this area don't break third-party sites that rely on it.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:35 pm

Sanctaria wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote: :idea: IDEA :idea:

Make the delegate of the region with the most embassies the Secretary-General of the World Assembly.

Possible powers:
  • Additional voting power (maybe 100 votes)
  • Sorting proposals in queue (i.e., deciding which of the proposals that has reached quorum will be the next one to reach the floor for voting by the World Assembly at-large)
  • Reducing the requisite amount of delegate approvals for a specific proposal from six percent to five percent
  • Extending the voting period and/or approval period for a proposal by 24 hours
  • Ability to post comments in a special box on the World Assembly main page


What's the amount of Embassies a region have got to do with the World Assembly?

In its own way, establishing an embassy amounts to an endorsement of another region, so why shouldn't the most endorsed region receive some kind of special recognition?
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Postby [violet] » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:37 pm

TannerFrankLand wrote:Is it intentional for founders not to be able to request embassies while outside of a region?

Yes. Mainly because otherwise it's hard to figure out which regions you're attempting to connect.

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Postby [violet] » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:39 pm

Unfocused Extremism wrote:This seems to be a bug involving an interaction between the RMB support and Embassies.

This nation was attempting to send a message to the RMB of The Bad Place slightly before the Bad Place's embassy with The Circle of Badularity was finalized. I hit the "Preview" button, and the page was reshown, with no preview, and with the button grayed out and reading "Preview loading". A reshow of the page changed the button to read "Preview", but it was still grayed out. I saved the message I was trying to send, did a few other things with the nation, and then tried to send the message again. At this point, the creation of the Embassy had been completed, and this time I was able to successfully preview (and send) the message.

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I don't think this has anything to do with embassies. If it's only happened once, it's probably a server hiccup. If it reoccurs, please let me know in the RMB bug thread.

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Postby [violet] » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:40 pm

Ballotonia wrote:
[violet] wrote:Yeah, okay, it's easier than I thought. You'll be able to re-order.


How? I'm unable to figure this out. Sorry.

I meant, "when I code that." Which I just did. So you couldn't, until about four minutes ago. You can now use little arrow buttons in regional control.

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Postby [violet] » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:41 pm

Mahaj WA Seat wrote:
Embassies: Capitalist Paradise, The North Pacific, Guanxi, Bohemian Grove, Dreamworld, and 7 others.

When I click on the 'And 7 others', it takes me to the nation page instead of a list of the embassies.

Try refreshing the page (F5). If it still happens after that, let me know.

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Postby [violet] » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:42 pm

Echolilia wrote:When a region (e.g. Band Camp) has exactly 6 embassies, it says "and and 1 other".

And and fixed!

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Postby [violet] » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:45 pm

Daynor wrote:Although how hard is it to get rid of 'one other'. Replacing one region name with the phrase 'one other' seems like a waste... If we have six embassies it should just list all six, and then on the seventh list five and say 'and two others'. (Not sure if I'm being very clear here, can't come up with a good way to verbalize lol.)

I know what you're saying, and I did something similar for the list of embassies under construction: if you have 11, it'll display them all, but if you have 12, it'll display the first ten plus "2 More..."

For established embassies, though, I think it's more important to have a hard limit of five, rather than save space. There will likely be a bit of inter-regional negotiation around that top five, and it should be consistent.
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Postby Ballotonia » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:30 am

Thanks for the fixes!

Found another issue: after a region ceases to exist, an embassy request it made priorly can no longer be rejected by the receiving (still existing) region. There's a simple work-around: I simply refounded the region in question :). Funny though, in the regional controls of the new region the request is still listed (apparently not cleared when the region CTE'd) and as having been sent "15054 days ago". I'm guessing that's a unix timestamp with 0 value.

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Postby Corusant Sphere » Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:47 am

I have the one question, maybe mentioned somewhere a long time ago, about the Regional History page: Does the construction of embassies' message, repeating after the newly established embassy, will lead to the deletion of the oldest Major Events in my region's history? Or those records are eternal like the posts on the RMB? Because personally I would like to see the date of my region's creation even after 1000 days ;)

If someone did ask about it earlier, please provide me with the appropriate link with the answer to that :)
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:51 am

Bug: You can still request embassies even after one has already been approved. I have an embassy request in my folder from a region whose embassy is already being built (because their founder thought we both had to request one for it to work).

Also, forgive me for not having time to read through all the previous pages, but what exactly is the advantage of "promoting" the top five embassies? Why can't the top five simply be randomized I mean? My region only has eight embassies, and I hardly think it's fair for three of them to always be behind a spoiler.
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:02 am

Also, the "duration" of the embassies is off...unless we're going by when they were requested versus when they were actually built. Monkey Island was the first embassy to be completed in my region, but the list says that there are four regions that are older.
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Postby Ballotonia » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:24 am

Corusant Sphere wrote:I have the one question, maybe mentioned somewhere a long time ago, about the Regional History page: Does the construction of embassies' message, repeating after the newly established embassy, will lead to the deletion of the oldest Major Events in my region's history? Or those records are eternal like the posts on the RMB? Because personally I would like to see the date of my region's creation even after 1000 days ;)

If someone did ask about it earlier, please provide me with the appropriate link with the answer to that :)


Regional History is supposed to be a permanent history, so nothing ever drops off. See for instance: viewtopic.php?p=4965602#p4965602

Of course, there's always the method of clearing the Regional History by refounding the region, but that wipes out the entire regional history.

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Postby Ballotonia » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:38 am

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Also, forgive me for not having time to read through all the previous pages, but what exactly is the advantage of "promoting" the top five embassies? Why can't the top five simply be randomized I mean? My region only has eight embassies, and I hardly think it's fair for three of them to always be behind a spoiler.


The 'promote' is so you can re-order the embassies. That way YOU get to decide which five are on display. If you want to rotate through them on a daily basis, you can do so. You can also decide to keep them ordered the way they are now (and piss off the folks in Antarctica?). Or maybe leave out another one instead? Either way, there's only 5 slots for front page display, and if you want more than 5 embassies you'll have to set your own priorities. Good luck ;)

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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:12 am

Ballotonia wrote:
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Also, forgive me for not having time to read through all the previous pages, but what exactly is the advantage of "promoting" the top five embassies? Why can't the top five simply be randomized I mean? My region only has eight embassies, and I hardly think it's fair for three of them to always be behind a spoiler.

The 'promote' is so you can re-order the embassies. That way YOU get to decide which five are on display. If you want to rotate through them on a daily basis, you can do so. You can also decide to keep them ordered the way they are now (and piss off the folks in Antarctica?). Or maybe leave out another one instead? Either way, there's only 5 slots for front page display, and if you want more than 5 embassies you'll have to set your own priorities. Good luck ;)

Yes, I know that part. What I was asking was why aren't the top five simply randomized, or if not, why not include a "randomize" option along with the "prioritize" option?
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Postby Unibot II » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:19 am

Personally I don't understand why the clunky embassy construction box can't be initially closed.. and all of the existing embassies can't be initially open... ? :/ The current system seems to have its priorities reversed.
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