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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:44 am

Merged with existing thread on the topic.

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Postby Cnutstantinople » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:53 pm

I was about to make a thread about this, but searchbar reveals it's already been pitched.
I'd like to be able to abstain on a vote, particularly for security council resolutions.

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Postby Holaloperho » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:04 pm

Cnutstantinople wrote:I was about to make a thread about this, but searchbar reveals it's already been pitched.
I'd like to be able to abstain on a vote, particularly for security council resolutions.


Simply don't vote then, the WA don't force people to vote.
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Postby Ilonggo » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:47 am

I have noticed that within the World Assembly issues, there are only two possible answers; a vote for yes, and a vote to disagree or vote "NO" Why isn't there a third option, and that is to "abstain", a neither yes or a no vote. Just a vote of neutrality on the issue.

If you look at the United Nations, countries can abstain from casting a yes or a no vote. The abstaining vote is neither yes or no. In real life; there is neither a yes or no answer to life's many questions.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:13 pm

wrong forum. you want technical. Also, the WA or NS =/= UN
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Postby Sovreignry » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:13 pm

The method of abstaining from a vote is to just not vote on that proposal. There's nothing in the rulebook that says you have to vote.
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Postby Forces of Beelzebub » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:16 pm

Sovreignry wrote:The method of abstaining from a vote is to just not vote on that proposal. There's nothing in the rulebook that says you have to vote.


That's what the FoB thinks. Just don't vote.


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Postby Auralia » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:53 pm

I support this measure.
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Postby Leutria » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:52 pm

Just bumping this for the reason mentioned in the Rift thread.

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The Dark Star Republic wrote:In technical terms, yes: but in aesthetic terms, it's a lot more glaring now. That's what I mentioned, and I suspect what Grenartia is alluding to as well.


Indeed, it is. Its a lot harder to ignore it now.

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Postby Sacara » Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:58 pm

Leutria wrote:Just bumping this for the reason mentioned in the Rift thread.

Grenartia wrote:
Indeed, it is. Its a lot harder to ignore it now.

Truely, I'd JOIN the WA, if this were to happen. I hated the (1) if I didn't have an opinion.
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Postby Ancient Slobovia » Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:24 pm

I'll third this proposal. I can't remember the last time I voted in the WASC.

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Postby Indian Empire » Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:43 am

Ancient Slobovia wrote:I'll third this proposal. I can't remember the last time I voted in the WASC.

I'll quadruple it as me as a defender really doesn't care about the GA.
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Postby Normlpeople » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:48 pm

Aside from a more prominent prompt informing one of a proposal up for vote, what is wrong with ignoring that prompt and simply not voting?
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:15 pm

Do people want the ability to abstain or do they just want the notification to go away after it has been clicked on?
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Postby Leutria » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:20 pm

The notification going away would be the big one (I cannot speak for others though)

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Postby [violet] » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:48 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Do people want the ability to abstain or do they just want the notification to go away after it has been clicked on?

This is a good question.

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Postby Indian Empire » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:54 pm

[violet] wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Do people want the ability to abstain or do they just want the notification to go away after it has been clicked on?

This is a good question.


I truly could use an "abstain" button, not only to make the notification go away, but also since I don't care about the GA.

Would it perhaps be possible to have individual registering for each council so they are not notified of the other council's votes?
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:19 pm

Indian Empire wrote:Would it perhaps be possible to have individual registering for each council so they are not notified of the other council's votes?

Hey, if only someone had suggested that five fucking years ago.
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Do people want the ability to abstain or do they just want the notification to go away after it has been clicked on?

In order of preference:
1. Able to make the notification go away.
2. A discussion on whether to have the abstain option.
3. Status quo/anything else.

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Postby The New World Oceania » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:34 pm

[violet] wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Do people want the ability to abstain or do they just want the notification to go away after it has been clicked on?

This is a good question.

Regardless, we ought to opt for the latter. Introducing abstentions will force us to consider if abstentions count toward the final percentage, if we're going to allow blank votes too, how many votes an SC resolution should appropriately pass with, if Liberate Haven was really ethical or in fact a conspiracy....
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Postby Normlpeople » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:52 pm

[violet] wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Do people want the ability to abstain or do they just want the notification to go away after it has been clicked on?

This is a good question.


Speaking purely for myself, I don't see the point behind a vote to abstain. Simply not voting serves the same purpose. I would prefer the notification go away.
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Postby Sichuan Pepper » Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:23 am

I would like the notification to go away after it has been clicked on.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:05 am

Normlpeople wrote:
[violet] wrote:This is a good question.


Speaking purely for myself, I don't see the point behind a vote to abstain. Simply not voting serves the same purpose. I would prefer the notification go away.

To the contrary, I think it would do more to track votes. The difference between those who simply didn't get around to voting and those who genuinely don't feel strongly one way or the other would be easier to track. It would prevent nations from voting against just because they don't care, like I do for SC Resolutions.

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Postby Bari » Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:01 pm

[violet] wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Do people want the ability to abstain or do they just want the notification to go away after it has been clicked on?

This is a good question.

I would like the ability to abstain.
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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:46 am

Normlpeople wrote:Speaking purely for myself, I don't see the point behind a vote to abstain. Simply not voting serves the same purpose. I would prefer the notification go away.

Speaking for myself, it would be useful to reflect the times when the national government IC deliberately chooses abstention.
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