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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:00 am

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Title: Horray! It's Thursday!

Description: After much debate, there has been a push to reduce the working day in offices from five days to four days. The claims say that increasing the work day by two hours, but reducing the working week from five days to four days. This will still allow for the same amount of working hours, but the claims are the benefits create more productivity and lower costs

Validity: Above Average or higher economy only

Options:
[option]"A four day week is a great idea!" office employee "if I have a four-day week, I'll be less stressed, spend less time in traffic, and will have more time around the house, whilst, in the meanwhile be doing the same amount of work"
[effect]The government is enforcing a four day working week
[stats]Don't know

[option]"Big Deal! Some cry babies have to work five day a week, and it's major problem, meanwhile, I have to work a full day, six days a week" Says hotel employee @@RANDOMNAME@@ "My boss works five days a week, and I slave away working six day week, so should everyone else. My job is difficult whilst these whingers have cooshie office jobs, I say that they should have a six day week"
[effect]The government is enforcing a six day working week nationwide"
[stats]Not sure

[option]"Why change the status quo" asks CEO of a @@NATIONINTIAL@@ Petroleum Limited. "If people work four days a week, I will receive less mon..., then Friday won't be exciting! Saturday and Sunday are days of rest, why add another day? It's just easier this way, plus my miners will be able to work five days without working weekends. I think 5 days are just good, in fact I think it would be better if people worked even in weekday holidays too. If its a monday Christmas, then work it is!"
[effect]Citizens celebrate their holidays while working hard
[stats] Don't Know

[option]"Here we go again, government sticking their nose into companies business (pun intended)" says CEO @@RANDOMNAME@@ "How about my company decides how long our employees work, provided that they're reasonable hours, and the government mind their own business"
[effect] Companies vary in working weeks, some working from Monday to Saturday, and some from Monday to Wednesday
[stats] No Idea

[option]"Maybe the government needs to stick its nose in once in a while!" exclaims @RANDOMNAME@, a Socialist campaigner. "The real reason for workers being stressed is the abuse managers give them in the name of shareholders! If the government took over, then management would have no reason to make workers work! Er, too hard, I mean!"
[effect]Corporate employees sit around playing simulator games all day in response to nation-wide government buyouts.
[stats]A drop in economic freedoms, a slight increase in civil rights
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Postby Oueendom » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:05 am

I think the third option would be better taken out. Its almost the equivalent of dismissing it (unless it will have significant effects or a large amount of averageness or something.) The effect for the last one could be improved IMO

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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:17 am

Oueendom wrote:I think the third option would be better taken out. Its almost the equivalent of dismissing it (unless it will have significant effects or a large amount of averageness or something.) The effect for the last one could be improved IMO

Fair points. Any ideas?
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Postby Oueendom » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:41 am

Australian Republic wrote:
Oueendom wrote:I think the third option would be better taken out. Its almost the equivalent of dismissing it (unless it will have significant effects or a large amount of averageness or something.) The effect for the last one could be improved IMO

Fair points. Any ideas?


Maybe something like "Workers are jumbled up by irregular and unpredictable working schedules" for the last one. Also you could try something like "Thursday is the new friday of the week" or "Citizens regularly thank Violet for Thursdays" for option 1".

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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:45 am

Oueendom wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:Fair points. Any ideas?


Maybe something like "Workers are jumbled up by irregular and unpredictable working schedules" for the last one. Also you could try something like "Thursday is the new friday of the week" or "Citizens regularly thank Violet for Thursdays" for option 1".

Thanks, but what about the five day week one? Thanks!
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Postby Oueendom » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:43 am

Australian Republic wrote:
Oueendom wrote:
Maybe something like "Workers are jumbled up by irregular and unpredictable working schedules" for the last one. Also you could try something like "Thursday is the new friday of the week" or "Citizens regularly thank Violet for Thursdays" for option 1".

Thanks, but what about the five days a week one? Thanks!


No problem :) If you still want to include the "five day week" one, you could include another effect so it will be different from dismissing it. For example you could write:

[option]"Why change the status quo?" asks CEO of a @@NATIONINTIAL@@ Petroleum Limited. "If people work four days a week, I will receive less mon-I mean then Friday won't be so exciting! Saturday and Sunday are days of rest, why add another day? I think 5 days are just good, in fact I think it would be better if people worked even in weekday holidays too. If its a monday Christmas, then work it is!"
[effect]Citizens celebrate their holidays while working hard

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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:59 pm

Oueendom wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:Thanks, but what about the five days a week one? Thanks!


No problem :) If you still want to include the "five day week" one, you could include another effect so it will be different from dismissing it. For example you could write:

[option]"Why change the status quo?" asks CEO of a @@NATIONINTIAL@@ Petroleum Limited. "If people work four days a week, I will receive less mon-I mean then Friday won't be so exciting! Saturday and Sunday are days of rest, why add another day? I think 5 days are just good, in fact I think it would be better if people worked even in weekday holidays too. If its a monday Christmas, then work it is!"
[effect]Citizens celebrate their holidays while working hard

That's actually a good fifth idea
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Postby Nordic States and Territories » Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:04 pm

Honestly, this issue doesn't seem at all believable. No government would enforce national work schedules. It's a bad idea for multiple reasons. Businesses and hospitals would be closed for the weekend. Jimmy had a heart attack? Hospital was closed, he died. :eyebrow:

Though it's entertaining, it wouldn't even make sense unless you are the most authoritarian country possible.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:23 am

Nordic States and Territories wrote:Honestly, this issue doesn't seem at all believable. No government would enforce national work schedules. It's a bad idea for multiple reasons. Businesses and hospitals would be closed for the weekend. Jimmy had a heart attack? Hospital was closed, he died. :eyebrow:

Though it's entertaining, it wouldn't even make sense unless you are the most authoritarian country possible.

No this applies to places that operate a five day shift. If you read one of the opitions, it actually mentions a hotel
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Nordic States and Territories wrote:Honestly, this issue doesn't seem at all believable. No government would enforce national work schedules. It's a bad idea for multiple reasons. Businesses and hospitals would be closed for the weekend. Jimmy had a heart attack? Hospital was closed, he died. :eyebrow:

Though it's entertaining, it wouldn't even make sense unless you are the most authoritarian country possible.


I guess thats the point (that choosing one of these options will cause some consequences). Besides there was an issue which involved making public nudity compulsory and even making your soldiers fight naked
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Postby Computerised Equality » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:16 pm

Might I suggest another option for this?

[option]"Maybe the government needs to stick its nose in once in a while!" exclaims @RANDOMNAME@, a Socialist campaigner. "The real reason for workers being stressed is the abuse managers give them in the name of shareholders! If the government took over, then management would have no reason to make workers work! Er, too hard, I mean!"
[effect]Corporate employees sit around playing simulator games all day in response to nation-wide government buyouts.
[stats]A drop in economic freedoms for sure, maybe a slight increase in civil rights as well?
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:04 am

Computerised Equality wrote:Might I suggest another option for this?

[option]"Maybe the government needs to stick its nose in once in a while!" exclaims @RANDOMNAME@, a Socialist campaigner. "The real reason for workers being stressed is the abuse managers give them in the name of shareholders! If the government took over, then management would have no reason to make workers work! Er, too hard, I mean!"
[effect]Corporate employees sit around playing simulator games all day in response to nation-wide government buyouts.
[stats]A drop in economic freedoms for sure, maybe a slight increase in civil rights as well?

Right thanks
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:43 am

Nordic States and Territories wrote:Honestly, this issue doesn't seem at all believable. No government would enforce national work schedules. It's a bad idea for multiple reasons. Businesses and hospitals would be closed for the weekend. Jimmy had a heart attack? Hospital was closed, he died. :eyebrow:

Though it's entertaining, it wouldn't even make sense unless you are the most authoritarian country possible.

Not entirely true. Governments need to make policies-deciding public transport timetables, when peak hour is etc.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:48 am

What do you think of the current draft
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Postby Tolmakia » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:05 pm

Remove option 3. Its the same as dismissing the issue
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:20 pm

Tolmakia wrote:Remove option 3. Its the same as dismissing the issue

What about for people like me who don't dismiss issues, yet don't want anything to change?
Besides, anyway, there is nothing anywhere indicating that @@NATION@@ has a five day working week.
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Postby Luna Amore » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:46 pm

Australian Republic wrote:
Tolmakia wrote:Remove option 3. Its the same as dismissing the issue

What about for people like me who don't dismiss issues, yet don't want anything to change?
Besides, anyway, there is nothing anywhere indicating that @@NATION@@ has a five day working week.

Status quo is the dismiss button. Each option has to change something.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:06 pm

Luna Amore wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:What about for people like me who don't dismiss issues, yet don't want anything to change?
Besides, anyway, there is nothing anywhere indicating that @@NATION@@ has a five day working week.

Status quo is the dismiss button. Each option has to change something.

Hmmm...
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:59 am

Australian Republic wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:Status quo is the dismiss button. Each option has to change something.

Hmmm...

It's not a "Hmmm..." consideration. If you put in an option that deliberately doesn't change anything, I can personally guarantee that the issue will not be chosen. So yeah, ignore good advice from staff like Issue Editors all you want. It just means that you're wasting everyone's time, especially your own.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:50 pm

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Australian Republic wrote:Hmmm...

It's not a "Hmmm..." consideration. If you put in an option that deliberately doesn't change anything, I can personally guarantee that the issue will not be chosen. So yeah, ignore good advice from staff like Issue Editors all you want. It just means that you're wasting everyone's time, especially your own.

I was not ignoring advice. I was thinking of ways I could make it do some thing
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Postby Luna Amore » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:35 pm

Australian Republic wrote:
Frisbeeteria wrote:It's not a "Hmmm..." consideration. If you put in an option that deliberately doesn't change anything, I can personally guarantee that the issue will not be chosen. So yeah, ignore good advice from staff like Issue Editors all you want. It just means that you're wasting everyone's time, especially your own.

I was not ignoring advice. I was thinking of ways I could make it do some thing

The easiest way is to cut the option. You have six options currently and that is pretty unusual for NS issues. There are only 10 issues (2 which are Easter Eggs) in the game with 6 or more options.

Speaking as someone who slugs through the thousands of submissions: simple and pithy is better than complicated and long.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:39 pm

Luna Amore wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:I was not ignoring advice. I was thinking of ways I could make it do some thing

The easiest way is to cut the option. You have six options currently and that is pretty unusual for NS issues. There are only 10 issues (2 which are Easter Eggs) in the game with 6 or more options.

Speaking as someone who slugs through the thousands of submissions: simple and pithy is better than complicated and long.

Okay/ I'll cut it
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:59 am

Is it ready for submittion?
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:53 pm

Should I submit it?
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Postby Computerised Equality » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:30 pm

I think you need to work out the stats before you submit it.
Australian Republic wrote:Current Draft
Title: Horray! It's Thursday!

Description: After much debate, there has been a push to reduce the working day in offices from five days to four days. The claims say that increasing the work day by two hours, but reducing the working week from five days to four days. This will still allow for the same amount of working hours, but the claims are the benefits create more productivity and lower costs

Validity: Above Average or higher economy only

Options:
[option]"A four day week is a great idea!" office employee "if I have a four-day week, I'll be less stressed, spend less time in traffic, and will have more time around the house, whilst, in the meanwhile be doing the same amount of work"
[effect]The government is enforcing a four day working week
[stats]Don't know
To start with, raise happiness, since people are getting more time with their families. I'd also suggest you raise obesity, since they're spending another day each week lazing around? Potentially an increase in weather as well, since there's less pollution? This also got me thinking, by increasing the length of the work day, people are more likely to be driving at night, yes? That should really lead to more accidents, and perhaps raise the accidental death rate.

[option]"Big Deal! Some cry babies have to work five day a week, and it's major problem, meanwhile, I have to work a full day, six days a week" Says hotel employee @@RANDOMNAME@@ "My boss works five days a week, and I slave away working six day week, so should everyone else. My job is difficult whilst these whingers have cooshie office jobs, I say that they should have a six day week"
[effect]The government is enforcing a six day working week nationwide"
[stats]Not sure
I'm going to assume this keeps the same working hours each day, and adds a whole other day on. That means more work gets done, so a boost to economy would do nicely, I think. Of course happiness is going to take a hit, we can see this guy isn't happy, no-one else will be either. Maybe raise toxicity and lower weather, with pollution again. Also, raise the wealth gap, since it's the business owners who are most likely to see any increased profits.
I'd also suggest both these two have a hit to economic freedoms, since businesses are being actively restricted in working week now. Of course, nowhere near as big a hit as the socialist choice below.


[option]"Why change the status quo" asks CEO of a @@NATIONINTIAL@@ Petroleum Limited. "If people work four days a week, I will receive less mon..., then Friday won't be exciting! Saturday and Sunday are days of rest, why add another day? It's just easier this way, plus my miners will be able to work five days without working weekends. I think 5 days are just good, in fact I think it would be better if people worked even in weekday holidays too. If its a monday Christmas, then work it is!"
[effect]Citizens celebrate their holidays while working hard
[stats] Don't Know
Hrm. I'd suggest civil rights drop, and a happiness/niceness drop, perhaps an economic freedoms increase. Very slight, though. Forcing people to work on major holidays is pretty oppressive, so honestly maybe throw some Authoritarianism on top as well?

[option]"Here we go again, government sticking their nose into companies business (pun intended)" says CEO @@RANDOMNAME@@ "How about my company decides how long our employees work, provided that they're reasonable hours, and the government mind their own business"
[effect] Companies vary in working weeks, some working from Monday to Saturday, and some from Monday to Wednesday
[stats] No Idea
I'm really not sure what change could go in here. More civil rights and economic freedoms, perhaps. Hope someone can give you a bit more help with this one, sorry. :(

[option]"Maybe the government needs to stick its nose in once in a while!" exclaims @RANDOMNAME@, a Socialist campaigner. "The real reason for workers being stressed is the abuse managers give them in the name of shareholders! If the government took over, then management would have no reason to make workers work! Er, too hard, I mean!"
[effect]Corporate employees sit around playing simulator games all day in response to nation-wide government buyouts.
[stats]A drop in economic freedoms, a slight increase in civil rights


Well, I hope I've been some help to you in this. The options themselves seem alright, as do their written effects, I'd suggest you ask someone to help you work out the stat effects more specifically, but other than that I'd say you're good to go!
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